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[jakucha]

stjobe, on 04 March 2013 - 06:07 PM, said:

MC player: 1 module slot, 1 x 35% flush.
CB player: 2 module slots, 1 x 15% flush, 1 x 20% flush.

I'd say that the MC player is gaining a significant advantage over the CB player.

You forgot to mention that the CBill variant gives you two separate opportunities to flush coolant whereas MC is one shot per match and it's gone.

[BladeSplint]

This thread has become a black hole of impotent rage.

[Orzorn]

Thontor, on 04 March 2013 - 06:06 PM, said:

oh?.. the fact you can get the same 35% coolant flush with c-bills or MC is p2w now?

i'd actually consider the fact that you get two smaller flushes for c-bills to be an advantage for that setup.. aside from the fact it takes two module slots

that said, i'm against the whole idea of coolant flush in the first place. but i fail to see how the current implementation is p2w

You get more module space.

And there's also going to be MC versions of the others, if I read right. That means if you don't use the MC version, you use 2 slots to get to the 35%. And what if you only have one module slot?

An MC payer could get gold flush, gold airstrike, and gold arty. A c-bill player could get poor flush, poor flush (which combined make 1 gold flush), and one arty or airstrike, also non gold.

[Psikez]

BladeSplint, on 04 March 2013 - 06:09 PM, said:

This thread has become a black hole of impotent rage.

Just an excuse to delete all the threads they merged together into one great reference

[MoonUnitBeta]

TempestWolf1, on 04 March 2013 - 06:08 PM, said:

you can fit 1 large cooling flush 1 arty and 1 airstrike... provided the mech HAS the slots... and 1 advanced sensor module... for mc

And you can do the same with CB. So what's the pay to win part?

[Moromillas]

LOL.

Flushgate, 3050.

Yeah, on paper, it's pay to win. You basically pay for an extra module slot. I've said my piece in a number of different threads. The pay to win route (if they do take it) is just not something I can get behind. Regardless, I will test these changes when they go live, and provide feedback etc.

Not exactly impressed with my posts being deleted, I realize this is Piranha's server and forums, but they were not offensive in any way, they were constructive, and relevant to MWO.

Piranha -5.

[Broceratops]

NICE GOING OP

[Osa Eris Xero]

jakucha, on 04 March 2013 - 06:08 PM, said:

You forgot to mention that the CBill variant gives you two separate opportunities to flush coolant whereas MC is one shot per match and it's gone.

Except this isn't what the post said, and all you're doing is spreading FUD based on your poor reading comprehension.

[Helmer]

Viper69, on 04 March 2013 - 05:57 PM, said:

WHat we need is a community representative who can make official polls and relay our concerns up the chain. This way we wont get 10k polls that ask the same thing worded 10 ways.

Believe me, PGI is well aware of this thread. Yes, there are many posts that get forwarded on (usually based off succinctness and appropriateness ) however ,I can assure you ALL of the posts in here will be read by those who need to.

der langsamere, on 04 March 2013 - 05:57 PM, said:

man they say that every time they do this. This is at LEAST the third time Ive seen this excuse

I know of one other incident, if you could please PM me the other threads, I would appreciate it.
As more and more moderators come on board the chances for human error obviously multiply. Moderators do receive training, however, we're all human.

Viper69, on 04 March 2013 - 05:59 PM, said:

Little conflict of interests there dontcha think being able to act on a report about yourself?

Exactly, which is why we are unable to do so.



Cheers.

[Fraustie]

No coolant flushing ...

[stjobe]

jakucha, on 04 March 2013 - 06:08 PM, said:

You forgot to mention that the CBill variant gives you two separate opportunities to flush coolant whereas MC is one shot per match and it's gone.

Sure, you take that second 20% flush. I'll take a single 35% flush and an Air Strike.

Given an equal amount of module slots, having the MC one take less slots for the same benefit enables someone who pays real money to take additional benefits someone who doesn't pay cannot take; practically the definition of pay to win.

[0X2A]

Thontor, on 04 March 2013 - 06:06 PM, said:

oh?.. the fact you can get the same 35% coolant flush with c-bills or MC is p2w now?

i'd actually consider the fact that you get two smaller flushes for c-bills to be an advantage for that setup.. aside from the fact it takes two module slots

that said, i'm against the whole idea of coolant flush in the first place. but i fail to see how the current implementation is p2w

Since I cannot find the correct topic due to lockouts.

Player A:
Cbill 15%
Cbill 20%
Cbill Airstrike

Player B:
MC 35%
MC Airstrike
MC Artillery

Assuming both are equally skilled players... Who has the clear advantage?

[Helmer]

der langsamere, on 04 March 2013 - 06:01 PM, said:

no, flushgate

Flushgate!!!!


Thanks, made me laugh. Perfect name for it.


Flushgate 2013.





Cheers.

[Kousagi]

MoonUnitBeta, on 04 March 2013 - 06:06 PM, said:

It's not pay to win.

Prove me wrong.

Player A is a free player, Player B is a pay player.

Both players have a mech with 1 mod slot. Both players also mastered this mech, so they get +1 mod slot. note that not all Players will have a mastered 1 mod slot mech.

Now, Player A buys his Item A tier 1 and 2 consumables with CB. Player B buys his Item A tier 3 consumable. Player A now has 0 slots free, Player B has 1. Now Player B can buy Item B Tier 3 consumable, Player A is SOL. Player B can also use another Mod instead of a consumable, again Player A is SOL.

It might not be game breaking, but it is a advantage, and its only the start. Its setting a president.

Edited by Kousagi, 04 March 2013 - 06:15 PM.

[Gandalfrockman]

MoonUnitBeta, on 04 March 2013 - 06:09 PM, said:

And you can do the same with CB. So what's the pay to win part?

NO, you CANT, You will not have enough module slots, Alot of mechs only have 1 or 2 module slots .

[Orzorn]

MoonUnitBeta, on 04 March 2013 - 06:09 PM, said:

And you can do the same with CB. So what's the pay to win part?

What? No, if you had 3 module slots, to get as much as a gold flush, you'd have to use 2 slots, meaning you only get to choose arty or airstrike, but not both.

[Moromillas]

MoonUnitBeta, on 04 March 2013 - 06:06 PM, said:

It's not pay to win.

Prove me wrong.

Ok,

The C-Bill version totals at 35%.
The MC version totals at 35%.

The C-bill version takes up 2 module slots.
The MC version takes up 1 module slot.

You pay for an extra module slot, thus pay to win.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Helmer, on 04 March 2013 - 06:11 PM, said:

I know of one other incident, if you could please PM me the other threads

3rd person view on THIS forum and another no coolant on the CB forums. Thats two. I cant link it because theyre gone.

http://mwomercs.com/...s-poll-revived/

theres one for instance as the original got locked by the mods

Edited by Mechwarrior Buddah, 04 March 2013 - 06:14 PM.

[Viper69]

When can I buy gold PPC capacitors or actual gold double heatsinks... Oh wait I wont.

[Psikez]

Viper69, on 04 March 2013 - 06:14 PM, said:

When can I buy gold PPC capacitors or actual gold double heatsinks... Oh wait I wont.

Got my gold plated gauss rifle that shoots diamonds n' **** bro