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[Threat Doc]

Storm McIntyre, on 16 May 2012 - 06:14 AM, said:

You and Chris are dead on with this line of thinking Kay. Would love to see any of this group apply their talents and then sit back and watch the magic happen..

Chris is a good man, and I'm glad to see we agree on this subject.

[Sychodemus]

It was stated long ago by Randall Bills that the Un-Re-Un-Re-Seen issues wasn't so much about legality but simply a desire to make sure that all images within the Battletech IP were in-house so that it would be a non-issue.

Personally, I just want the 'Mechs as an option because they are the backbone of the rosters. They were the baseline 'Mechs and all of the non-Unseen designs were built in a way to differentiate them from their predecessors. Without them we will have some serious gaps (barring custom fixes.)

I still hold out hope that they will make an appearance closer to launch (in whatever form), since it would definitely add an extra dose of hype that would be very beneficial at the early stages of a new game.

[wwiiogre]

As are you Kay,

Chris

[DirePhoenix]

8100d 5p4tt3r, on 16 May 2012 - 05:38 AM, said:

I say we make Harmony Gold an offer they can't refuse!...



If the fanbase got together and presented Harmony Gold a deal or some form of sincere and indisbutable trade or persuasive incentive to free up the rights to PGI so we can get our beloved mechs back.../sigh.

<goes to play the lottery>

Does no one read?

How many times does this need to be reposted?!?

@Bryanekman said:

Just a small update. Harmony Gold has nothing to do with any delays. There is no legal battle.

[Nav]

Maybe but to me that just sounds like its not delaying the production of MWO. Not that this impacts on the use of unseen mechs in the game. Would be good to know for certain.

Edited by Nav, 16 May 2012 - 07:12 AM.

[Vexgrave Lars]

Because Marauders:

[Cifu]

As many people points out: the Reseen (Project Phoenix) versions of the Unseen mech's are simply ugly ones. No one become the fan of the Warhammer, Rifleman, Archer or the Marauder, when looks like that. The fans of the Unseens mech wan't the "old" Anime-based designs... But that's cannot be, because of the legal issues.

And yes, this is a kick in the dead horse topic....

[Gigaton]

Cifu, on 16 May 2012 - 07:24 AM, said:

The fans of the Unseens mech wan't the "old" Anime-based designs... But that's cannot be, because of the legal issues.

I consider myself to something of a fan of them and I'm okey with the reseen (granted, I only got into BT in the '90s, so might be a difference in nostalgia). I know they are much maligned, but they aren't that bad*, especially when you consider them against the quality of artowrk in some other TROs (like original 55 and 58). Nothing that FD can't make awesome with bit of his spit and polish.

I can definitely see the reseen Marauder being extremely popular design in MWO, perhaps even more so with newer players than the old school TT crowd.

*Except Stinger and Wasp, which really are that bad. And Phoenix Hawk and Shadow Hawk have something of an Eldar (WH40K) feeling to them that not everyone is a fan of, though I like them.

[Rourke]

Wolverine?.....Crusader?....Warhammer?....you just named my original lance commander mechs!!....GIVE ME MY CRUSADER!!!!!...

[FLAKPANZER]

Sychodemus, on 16 May 2012 - 06:46 AM, said:

Personally, I just want the 'Mechs as an option because they are the backbone of the rosters. They were the baseline 'Mechs and all of the non-Unseen designs were built in a way to differentiate them from their predecessors. Without them we will have some serious gaps (barring custom fixes.)

I'm with you on this. I would love to see them make some sort of appearance. Even if it's not at launch.

[Felicitatem Parco]

It seems like most (not all, but most) of the people screaming for Unseen Mechs only want them for their imagery and not for the actual Mechs or their functional abilties.

If you want the actual Mech and the war capacity it can bring to bear on your enemies, then the ReSeen designs should be just fine. However, if all you want is the old images then send Flying Debris Guy a message on his Deviant Art account and he may draw you an old Unseen Mech design, but don't ask for it to be in MW:O because all you care about is looks and prettiness instead of usefulness or function.

If you only want the Mech for its looks, then buy a poster and hang it on a wall and stop complaining about not having your Unseen Mechs.

Edited by Prosperity Park, 16 May 2012 - 07:59 AM.

[Vexgrave Lars]

It has been the topic of many discussions, the unseen, those mech characterized by the grand legal maneuver(s) that potentially will cost us, the players, access to some of the greatest visually appealing designs and (dependent on who you ask), most functional designs out there.

I am on PGI's side, and especially Alex's side about this, but it would be great if I knew what exactly I was supporting. Did I confuse you? I meant to. See as a committed player to the eventual release, I am going to play regardless of the decision, not having a Marauder or the Wolverine, isn't going to drive me off. I'll find some way to strip down and mold an existing variant to the get close to the Marauder load out, if I want. I'm a big boy, and the mech lab has me salivating.

On that note, IF PGI were to release anything with the same load out as a Marauder with a newly visually redesigned chassis (Do it Alex! if not for the game, just to amaze us), I would not complain. I'd be thrilled! The work we've seen has been outstanding, so why not give Alex an open canvas and tell him to hurt us with his imagination? I can take it really.

The part that is so frustrating is the absolute silence from the company on the matter. Either way guys and gals, give it to us straight and quit jerking us around. All the conjectural BS in the world, is not worth the yes or no from the dev's and and crew.

While many may sway either way on their desire to play based on the availability of these mechs, they will find out eventually, and they will stay or leave eventually, but is it worth it to sour those you can salvage by being out front entirely? It is a plea kind sir's just to put a AC/20 round in this finally. The hold out frankly has gone from anticipation to annoyance.

Will these mechs be visually redesigned, will they be avoided like the plague? Reasons aside, I don't care, just a simple "They're in", or "They're out" would suffice from an official PGI employee, so empowered to make the official announcement.

Wrapped in a straight-jacket, and holding out for facts, prepare ship.. for ludicrous speed...

Vex

Edited by Vexgrave Lars, 16 May 2012 - 08:06 AM.

[VPrime]

I personally want to see all of those mechs. Every one of them. I don't even like a few of them, but I grew up using them, and want to use them again. I hope they decide to include them

[Gun Bear]

I agree a yes or no would be great. On the other hand it would end 90% of all forum discussions.

[Vexgrave Lars]

Gun Bear, on 16 May 2012 - 08:05 AM, said:

I agree a yes or no would be great. On the other hand it would end 90% of all forum discussions.

To paraphrase Cliff Burton "Abso-******-fracking-lutley", and on to more valuable discussion

[Draco Harkins]

Vexgrave Lars, on 16 May 2012 - 07:56 AM, said:

It has been the topic of many discussions, the unseen, those mech characterized by the grand legal maneuver(s) that potentially will cost us, the players, access to some of the greatest visually appealing designs and (dependent on who you ask), most functional designs out there.

I am on PGI's side, and especially Alex's side about this, but it would be great if I knew what exactly I was supporting. Did I confuse you? I meant to. See as a committed player to the eventual release, I am going to play regardless of the decision, not having a Marauder or the Wolverine, isn't going to drive me off. I'll find some way to strip down and mold an existing variant to the get close to the Marauder load out, if I want. I'm a big boy, and the mech lab has me salivating.

On that note, IF PGI were to release anything with the same load out as a Marauder with a newly visually redesigned chassis (Do it Alex! if not for the game, just to amaze us), I would not complain. I'd be thrilled! The work we've seen has been outstanding, so why not give Alex an open canvas and tell him to hurt us with his imagination? I can take it really.

The part that is so frustrating is the absolute silence from the company on the matter. Either way guys and gals, give it to us straight and quit jerking us around. All the conjectural BS in the world, is not worth the yes or no from the dev's and and crew.

While many may sway either way on their desire to play based on the availability of these mechs, they will find out eventually, and they will stay or leave eventually, but is it worth it to sour those you can salvage by being out front entirely? It is a plea kind sir's just to put a AC/20 round in this finally. The hold out frankly has gone from anticipation to annoyance.

Will these mechs be visually redesigned, will they be avoided like the plague? Reasons aside, I don't care, just a simple "They're in", or "They're out" would suffice from an official PGI employee, so empowered to make the official announcement.

Wrapped in a straight-jacket, and holding out for facts, prepare ship.. for ludicrous speed...

Vex

I tottaly agree with the OP here, i support fully PGI but having a yes or no would just make that doubt go away and we can move on.

[Kaemon]

**edits** Thanks for not leaving the OP an open ended question! **

Or there are legal negotiations still ongoing, and they aren't allowed to discuss it.

Or the answer is no, and they're waiting to break the news with some good news (to avoid a 'merc corp cannon unit' style kerfaffle).

Or they don't respond to threads calling them chicken.

I seem to remember Bryan's warm reception when a poster called him a weasel indirectly, so I'm sure this should go well for you

*gets popcorn, waits for Paul*

Edited by Kaemon, 16 May 2012 - 09:09 AM.

[Storm McIntyre]

I can sympathise with your frustration, Vex. Conjecture can be fun, but after a while can turn from fun to frustrating. I'm thinking the only reason we haven't had a definite answer on this subject is because the powers that be at PGI have yet to come to a decision themselves. Granted, I could be wrong, but it would explain why the Devs have not stepped up and and layed it out in plain terms for us. If they haven't, some of the Devs could be feeling the same frustration you are, and until a decision is made there's nothing they can do but read our posts and suffer silently along with us. Remember, these guys are Battletech/Mechwarrior players themselves. I'm sure a few of them have a few of the unseen/reseen close to their hearts as well. Along with a few clan mechs, a few Jihad designs, etc, etc...

All I can say is, "I feel your pain, brother" but all we can do is be patient and wait.

[Vexgrave Lars]

Kaemon, on 16 May 2012 - 08:08 AM, said:

**edits** Thanks for not leaving the OP an open ended question! **

Or there are legal negotiations still ongoing, and they aren't allowed to discuss it.

Or the answer is no, and they're waiting to break the news with some good news (to avoid a 'merc corp cannon unit' style kerfaffle.

Or they don't respond to threads calling them chicken.

I seem to remember Bryan's warm reception when a poster called him a weasel indirectly, so I'm sure this should go well for you

*gets popcorn, waits for Paul*

If you didn't get the reference.. its Spaceballs.

In any event, I can take just about any trolling that gets dished my way, if i wanted to verbally eviscerate anyone in particularly, believe me, I have the vocabulary. My point that I am making here is , the "anticipation effect" is dangerous, and if you think people were pissed about the canon unit name issue, image for a moment in your mind the outrage of 110+ thousand players sighing and fuming with anger, at the futility of "wishful thinking" for more that a year. I get pissed with socks for Xmas gifts, unless I KNOW I need socks before hand.

Anything I might say now, would be comparatively complimentary to those angry post which will contain many, many blotted out words.

[Rattlehead NZ]

I too would love to know now if some of or even one or the old unseen make it into MWO. The only problem is... what happens if this is something they have planned to do and leave one of the unseen as a last reveal only to have big surprise ruined by pitch forks and torches.
I support PGI and will waiting paitently and excited every time they show us something new.

BTW MW Tactics beta is coming May 22nd so i say to chew on that for your Battletech breakfast and see what comes next.