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[Moonsavage]

You have every right to play as a group - you do not have every right to force other players to play against small groups, if they have an davantage.
We're not telling you what to do, we're telling you not to tell us what to do.

The "Lack of skill" thing is old - get over yourself.

Edited by Moonsavage, 12 December 2012 - 05:34 PM.

[Zylo]

Moonsavage, on 12 December 2012 - 05:28 PM, said:

1. The only reason premades don't want a pug-only queue is because they like to win - due to their communication advantage.
(don't say that's not an advantage - just look at the NGNG video and the insta-focus fire is a massive advantage over typing.)

2. Are you premade guys so unsure of your skills that you don't want to play against other premades?

Learn to ******* read.

Many small groups playing during off-peak hours don't have 8 players online at all times.

What the **** is a larger merc corp supposed to do if they happen to have 11 players online? Drop with 8 and tell the others to go solo pug or tell the remaining 3 to do a small group drop?

Try thinking before you post next time.

Moonsavage, on 12 December 2012 - 05:33 PM, said:

You have every right to play as a group - you do not have every right to force other players to play against small groups, if they have an davantage.
We're not telling you what to do, we're telling you not to tell us what to do.

BS, you're telling small groups that they don't matter.

If each team in a match has 1 small group + pugs what is unbalanced here?

I want a GOOD reason, not more of your pre-made hating BS.

[Moonsavage]

Oh really?

Why do you even want to play in the same class as people you constantly call inferior?

Answer that without being insulting please.


Okie doke - I will try with my limited intellect to answer your superb question.
Balanced teams with premades would be better than the current situation, except that individuals will still be at a disadvantage to groups. You, sir, are saying that the individual does not matter. Granted, at this stage we need everyone together to get the numbers, but I would like the option of playing against individualt. If you deny me that option, then please tell me why you would do that, if your game is functional regardless?

Edited by Moonsavage, 12 December 2012 - 05:41 PM.

[Zylo]

Moonsavage, on 12 December 2012 - 05:35 PM, said:

Oh really?

Why do you even want to play in the same class as people you constantly call inferior?

Answer that without being insulting please.

Where did I say pugs are inferior?

Link to the post with that exact phrase first and I'll answer the rest.

Edited by Zylo, 12 December 2012 - 05:40 PM.

[Greyfyl]

Zylo, on 12 December 2012 - 05:30 PM, said:

I run a small merc corp, when you ******* pay my premium account you can tell me how to play. Until that time you better learn to deal with small groups because we have every right to play this game as a small group.

The only thing showing here is that you can't accept other players are better than you and you blame pre-made groups for your lack of skill.

If there were random matches for groups of 2, 3 or 4 my small groups would be dropping there but the small population of this game will not support that many matchmaking options.

You are hilarious...you do understand that I've played on both sides of the coin, right?

I've done premades and seen how bad many of the players are. The fact is that the advantage given by TS is HUGE. TREMENDOUS.

And your sorry little merc corp is using that advantage to stroke your e-peens. Nothing wrong with that I guess - but quit pretending otherwise.

Also for the record - I've stated numerous times in dozens of these threads where people like you get your panties in a bunch.....I know I'm an average player, I don't need to be great at MWO for my life to be fulfilled. I play this game for fun after working all day. A game that people like you are doing your best to ruin because you are killing off the interest of a large percentage of new players with your ridiculous pugstomping.

Go play 8 mans for gods sake - and I know you are going to say 'but we rarely have 8 online at any given time'. BS - go find one or two more in the TS lobby and do 8-mans if you are so awesome. Yea, I'm sure that won't happen.

[Horned Bull]

Moonsavage, on 12 December 2012 - 05:35 PM, said:

Oh really?

Why do you even want to play in the same class as people you constantly call inferior?

Answer that without being insulting please.

Not all premade players are abusive toward pugs. From what I see Zylo haven't insulted even a single solo queue player. Also I think he has a point as small goups need a place to go, and creating a special queue just for them would be bad (let me explain why - it would be dead for most of the time). PGI just have to limit premades to one group a side, and we are all set.

[Zylo]

Greyfyl, on 12 December 2012 - 05:41 PM, said:

You are hilarious...you do understand that I've played on both sides of the coin, right?

I've done premades and seen how bad many of the players are. The fact is that the advantage given by TS is HUGE. TREMENDOUS.

And your sorry little merc corp is using that advantage to stroke your e-peens. Nothing wrong with that I guess - but quit pretending otherwise.

Also for the record - I've stated numerous times in dozens of these threads where people like you get your panties in a bunch.....I know I'm an average player, I don't need to be great at MWO for my life to be fulfilled. I play this game for fun after working all day. A game that people like you are doing your best to ruin because you are killing off the interest of a large percentage of new players with your ridiculous pugstomping.

Go play 8 mans for gods sake - and I know you are going to say 'but we rarely have 8 online at any given time'. BS - go find one or two more in the TS lobby and do 8-mans if you are so awesome. Yea, I'm sure that won't happen.

Why the **** should I find some random players to drop with a small group to make 8?

No one has yet provided an answer why a single pre-made group on each side in a random match would be imbalanced.

[Moonsavage]

I'm done with you Zylo.

If we meet ingame, then I'm sure your cheesy Jenner / Raven / Catapult will trash me, but I will take it on the chin and keep playing despite you and people like you.

Have a good evening.

[Galenit]

Zylo, on 12 December 2012 - 05:35 PM, said:

Learn to ******* read.

Many small groups playing during off-peak hours don't have 8 players online at all times.

Go on the Comstarserver and find the others. That was what premades telled pugs to do all the time.

Tell me who will win:
Premade of 2x Atlas with ECM + 2x Raven with ECM on Teamspeak and 4 Pugs
vs
Premade of 2x Hunchback without Teamspeak and 6 Pugs

Why dont you say anything about the excuses used by premades for pugstompig?

[Zylo]

Moonsavage, on 12 December 2012 - 05:46 PM, said:

I'm done with you Zylo.

If we meet ingame, then I'm sure your cheesy Jenner / Raven / Catapult will trash me, but I will take it on the chin and keep playing despite you and people like you.

Have a good evening.

Think what you want, not all small teams are there to abuse the system.

The majority of us just want to play the game like everyone else. Due to the actions of some who exploited the matchmaker to get 2x groups of 4 on the same side pre-made groups are getting hate that is not deserved.

Proper matchmaking that limits teams to 1 pre-made group per side will balance the game.

[Galenit]

Zylo, on 12 December 2012 - 05:49 PM, said:

Think what you want, not all small teams are there to abuse the system.

I have ask you who will win!
Why dont you answer to it to prove your stand about balance?

And you owe my an answer about the excuses from premades ...
Lets make it simple:
Why dont you fill your ranks on comstar for 8mans?

Edited by Galenit, 12 December 2012 - 05:53 PM.

[Royal Flush]

Zylo, on 12 December 2012 - 05:21 PM, said:

Explain to me what is imbalanced by having a single pre-made group on each side. Pre-made group + pug on each side. Only allow a pre-made group into the match if another pre-made group can drop on the other side.

I want a GOOD reason, not some BS pug whining.

Ok so here is me NOT whining.

If I am in a PUG drop I want my combat experience to be based on my skill and the random luck (good or bad) that the random PUG experience grants against fellow mech warriors dealing with the EXACT same pros and cons playing against PUG players brings.

If HALF the other team is an organized 4 man pre-made then half the other team has advantages against me that I can not overcome no matter how good I might think I am.

By your logic the only way to balance a Pre-made team is with another Pre-made team.

By your own admission you acknowledge that pre-mades have advantages over PUG players.

Take the pre-made groups out of the PUG matches and let them fight each other. It's unfair to anything else period!

I point you to the MWO Devs own policy:
" Repeated abuse of this behaviour, similarly to 'Mech Suicide and Team Killing, results in an unfair advantage for the enemy teams, and is thus not considered acceptable use."

[edit] My point for quoting this policy is that allowing the pre-mades with thier advantages against PUG players is in violation of their own policy.

Edited by Royal Flush, 12 December 2012 - 05:57 PM.

[Zylo]

Galenit, on 12 December 2012 - 05:48 PM, said:

Go on the Comstarserver and find the others. That was what premades telled pugs to do all the time.

Tell me who will win:
Premade of 2x Atlas with ECM + 2x Raven with ECM on Teamspeak and 4 Pugs
vs
Premade of 2x Hunchback without Teamspeak and 6 Pugs

Why dont you say anything about the excuses used by premades for pugstompig?

Why should I have to change my playstyle because of what YOU want? I run my own TS server for my corp to run small groups. I am not abusing the system in any way yet pug players seem to think they can tell me how I should be playing the game.

I am choosing to play the game as intended as part of a small group. Currently 2 options exist when forming a group: 4 players max or 8 required. I am selecting the 4 player max and launching when my team is ready.

Explain to me why I should be forced to play the game in a different way.

Did I tell you to go join a pre-made group?

Galenit, on 12 December 2012 - 05:51 PM, said:

I have ask you who will win!
Why dont you answer to it to prove your stand about balance?

And you owe my an answer about the excuses from premades ...
Lets make it simple:
Why dont you fill your ranks on comstar for 8mans?

Why don't you stop telling me how to play the ******* game. If you don't like the way I choose to play it's your problem, not mine.

Edited by Zylo, 12 December 2012 - 05:55 PM.

[Horned Bull]

Galenit, on 12 December 2012 - 05:48 PM, said:

Go on the Comstarserver and find the others. That was what premades telled pugs to do all the time.

Tell me who will win:
Premade of 2x Atlas with ECM + 2x Raven with ECM on Teamspeak and 4 Pugs
vs
Premade of 2x Hunchback without Teamspeak and 6 Pugs

Why dont you say anything about the excuses used by premades for pugstompig?

HBK 4-SP, xl fast engine, small lasers +2x SMR6/SMR4+artemis. Tunnel vision on ravens. Take first one down then concentrate on the other one. It will be hard but I think it's doable, unless the rest of Hunchbacks' team is terribad.

EDIT:

I forgot - why hunchbacks don't have any voice communication? They can always use skype.

Edited by Korm, 12 December 2012 - 06:03 PM.

[Galenit]

Zylo, on 12 December 2012 - 05:54 PM, said:

Did I tell you to go join a pre-made group?

Why don't you stop telling me how to play the ******* game?

Not you, but a lot of premades come with the comstar ....

But you dont say anything about the excuses from premades ...

And you owe me an answer about balance:

Again Who will win?
2x ECM-Atlas + 2x ECM-Raven on teamspeak with 4 Pugs.
vs
2x Hunchback without teamspeak and 6 Pugs

[Budor]

4 mans on both sides or pugs only would be great. Marking grpd players would be great to, just to ease on the whining inhere...

[GetinmyBellah]

ELO is the obvious choice. We're STILL in beta so have some amount of patience. Want proof? Look at CoH and their system which still has a ton of mplayer matches going on 24/7 out of a 6yr old title. The system works.

[Zylo]

Galenit, on 12 December 2012 - 05:57 PM, said:

Not you, but a lot of premades come with the comstar ....

But you dont say anything about the excuses from premades ...

And you owe me an answer about balance:

Again Who will win?
2x ECM-Atlas + 2x ECM-Raven on teamspeak with 4 Pugs.
vs
2x Hunchback without teamspeak and 6 Pugs

I owe you nothing other than a quick death if I ever see you in game.

Edited by Zylo, 12 December 2012 - 05:59 PM.

[Galenit]

Zylo, on 12 December 2012 - 05:59 PM, said:

I owe you nothing other than a quick death if I ever see you in game.

You asked why its unbalanced. I gave you an example to talk about. Your answer says a lot ...

Its 3am now, i go to bed now,
but we should talk again,
in 10 or 15 years,
when you have some rl-xp.

Good night all.

Edited by Galenit, 12 December 2012 - 06:06 PM.

[Zylo]

Galenit, on 12 December 2012 - 06:04 PM, said:

You asked why its unbalanced. I give you an example to talk about.

Its 3am now, i go to bed now,
but we should talk again,
in 10 or 15 years,
when you have some rl-xp.

Good night all.

Maybe in those 10 to 15 years you will grow up and stop whining about pre-made groups ruining the game.