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[Vulpesveritas]

TheAquired, on 02 November 2012 - 09:15 AM, said:

Ah I see, well, I suggest recommending it as well. The little bit extra is very much worth it.

And for a little bit extra atop that you have the Rosewill Thor v2, which is often on sale for the same price, and has better cooling still.

[BlitzNova]

This is a high quality post, GREAT job man!

[Cybermech]

I know you love your amd and in terms of upcoming drivers and overclocking that amd is a good choice but it would be nice if you could add Intel into the mix since people will buy them no matter what is said.
I run intel myself and in terms of plug and play I preffer Intel because of this.
Amd future drivers are nothing new for the last 10 years

[Vulpesveritas]

Cybermech, on 03 November 2012 - 11:33 PM, said:

I know you love your amd and in terms of upcoming drivers and overclocking that amd is a good choice but it would be nice if you could add Intel into the mix since people will buy them no matter what is said.
I run intel myself and in terms of plug and play I preffer Intel because of this.
Amd future drivers are nothing new for the last 10 years

As far as plug and play go, AMD is a fine choice, given that at stock speeds the FX-8350 is comparable to an i5-2500k, (or ~10% behind a 3570k) but should anyone be overclocking in the first place, the 8320 becomes a better option, hence it's positioning in both the $900 and $1200 BotW. At the same time, AMD at such a price point is superior in multithreaded scenarios, and hence is a better solution for both multi-function PCs and in future application scenarios.

I recommend what I believe to be the best option, not what would be viewed as a popular one. If someone chooses to purchase Intel of their on digression, then that is their choice to make, however it is not what I would personally recommend.

As far as AMD vs Nvidia, with current drivers and graphics cards currently available, along with considering current prices and packaged deals, AMD is not only better in price / performance at nearly every price point, but also has the fastest single GPU configuration (which is what would be looked at within these price ranges.) From the budget sub-$100 cards which beat Nvidia cards priced within the same bracket(in which an APU would likely be the best option were your budget limited that much, and which could see gains in such scenarios with hybrid Crossfire.) All the way up to the Radeon HD 7970 Ghz edition which outperforms the Geforce GTX 680.

Even at $1200 which traditionally would push an Intel-based configuration, even prior to AMD's release of Vishera, there was a choice to be made; you could have an AMD CPU and an SSD which would be far faster in day-to-day applications, or you could go with an i5 without an SSD and run higher framerates in gaming. Prior to preliminary benchmarking MWO was not shown to be as CPU intensive as it is, and I was choosing to recommend AMD due to it. When information came out, I recommended Intel so that you could get everything out of your GPU that you need to. Then once Vishera came out and AMD could compete in single thread with Intel again, AMD became my recommendation again, as I would rather recommend a system which overall will feel substantially faster and be viable for longer rather than suggest something which will only be marginally faster in gaming.

Edited by Vulpesveritas, 04 November 2012 - 12:12 AM.

[Cybermech]

any chance you could change the title to Amd builds??

Still some nice guides +1

Edited by Cybermech, 04 November 2012 - 02:05 AM.

[Vulpesveritas]

Cybermech, on 04 November 2012 - 01:41 AM, said:

any chance you could change the title to Amd builds??

Still some nice guides +1

The only reason AMD is recommended is that they offer better performance for your dollar at this time. As such it would be irresponsible for me not to recommend them until their competitors change the current market dynamics whether through pricing or offering a product which offers enough incentive to pay the price premium for. As neither is the situation, I would much rather be poor, laughed at, and scorned than to suggest falsehoods in order to stay within perceived norms or to feed a corporation's marketing team. Nor will I rely upon the opinions of others, instead any recommendations I make are upon my own analysis of all data available to me. Take it as you will.

[Cybermech]

ok man, you have some really nice guides.
some well thought out pieces of very useful information.
I think you need to calm down a wee bit, asking for the title to include "AMD" in this exclusive AMD cpu thread that is STICKIED.
Is not the most insane thing to ask.
This I5 i have is my first Intel chipset, I had 3 AMD's before I went for intel.

[Youngblood]

Query: Has AMD or have any of AMD's OEMs hinted at plans for a new Micro-ATX form-factor board specifically designed with Vishera in mind?

[Vulpesveritas]

Youngblood, on 04 November 2012 - 05:38 AM, said:

Query: Has AMD or have any of AMD's OEMs hinted at plans for a new Micro-ATX form-factor board specifically designed with Vishera in mind?

None which I have heard of.

[Vulpesveritas]

Cybermech, on 04 November 2012 - 05:36 AM, said:

ok man, you have some really nice guides.
some well thought out pieces of very useful information.
I think you need to calm down a wee bit, asking for the title to include "AMD" in this exclusive AMD cpu thread that is STICKIED.
Is not the most insane thing to ask.
This I5 i have is my first Intel chipset, I had 3 AMD's before I went for intel.

Because I disagree with your statement. Sales or other aspects can change from week to week. Haswell may also change things, I don't know. Nvidia cards might have a price cut or a sale. I have recommended both Intel and Nvidia in the past in this thread, but at this time for this very week AMD holds a definite advantage. Will things change when I update again? I don't know. However this is not an AMD exclusive thread, as such why would I name it otherwise?

Edited by Vulpesveritas, 04 November 2012 - 09:11 AM.

[Cybermech]

Oh cool then sorry man, I scanned down the archive list and all I could see was AMD... ooops

[Burned_Follower]

Thanks to what i read from the OP's original post to this thread, along with some other info sources(like google), i will be purchasing this PSU on payday this week.

But before i do, i thought it'd be a good idea to post this here before making such an expensive purchase incase the OP or someone else has a better idea or if i have applied what i've learned about PSU's improperly.

Below is my system specs:

Case-currently own
Motherboard-currently own
CPU-currently own
GPU-currently own
HDD-getting this month
RAM-getting this month
CD/DVD Drive-getting this month
Liquid Cooling Solution: Undecided for the moment(not getting it until next month)

Edited by XxDRxDEATHxX, 04 November 2012 - 12:07 PM.

[Maltduck]

a amd 965 black is a good base cpu with a gigabit mb 4 gig ddr2 ram running at 1066 with old 4870x2 500 gig hd use a50 cpu cooler and a few case fans and u will play this game fine couse that what i am running

[Vulpesveritas]

XxDRxDEATHxX, on 04 November 2012 - 12:02 PM, said:

Thanks to what i read from the OP's original post to this thread, along with some other info sources(like google), i will be purchasing this PSU on payday this week.

But before i do, i thought it'd be a good idea to post this here before making such an expensive purchase incase the OP or someone else has a better idea or if i have applied what i've learned about PSU's improperly.

Below is my system specs:

Case-currently own
Motherboard-currently own
CPU-currently own
GPU-currently own
HDD-getting this month
RAM-getting this month
CD/DVD Drive-getting this month
Liquid Cooling Solution: Undecided for the moment(not getting it until next month)

I would recommend against that Lepa for a couple of reasons. First of all with it being a 900w PSU and to my knowledge you have no plans on a triple GPU setup or extreme overclocking, that is far more power than I would recommend. As such, there are cheaper and better power supplies available for your system overall as they fall closer to your power consumption levels and therefore can operate more efficiently, while still giving you the overhead for crossfire in the future.

Rosewill Capstone 750m: Superflower Internals. Best price / performance you can get for a ~750w PSU with 80+ gold efficiency or above. . http://www.newegg.co...N82E16817182264

Antec HCP 750. Seasonic internals, high reliability and a trusted PSU. Under Iron Egg for November drastically reducing it's cost.
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16817371052

Corsair HX 750. CWT Internals. Somewhat lower end internals but has a superior customer service and Corsair warranty.
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16817139010

Seasonic X750. Seasonic internals. In-house PSU and overall a great power supply.
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16817151087

Rosewill Tachion 750. Superflower Internals. Offers an 80+ platinum rating for higher power efficiency.
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16817182273

Seasonic SS-760SP. Seasonic Internals. Seasonic in house 80+ platinum unit.
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16817151120

Edited by Vulpesveritas, 04 November 2012 - 12:20 PM.

[Bug Killer]

Alot of people posting alot of different performance numbers.

The short of it for me is I have twin GTX-285's in SLI with an I7-K 875 and 8 GB Ram. I understand that SLI isnt supported yet but wish they would quickly. The 285 was a premium card back in the day and still no slouch. My frame rate is between 30 and 40 FPS generally and I am hopeing that with SLI supported I can get above 50 FPS sustained.

Since I have three screens I dont want to go out and purchase "2" newer video cards at the moment!

Comments are welcomed....

Thanks

XMEN Bug Killer

Edited by XMEN Bug Killer, 04 November 2012 - 09:29 PM.

[Hammerhai]

Further my own experience using the G 940 throttle and mouse:
[Bug] The logitech 5.10 software often drops mapped keypresses in MWO, leaving you for instance unable to lock your target or, as happened to me, nearly shooting some teammates because the USB Keyboard Release event got dropped. The led to 2 weapons groups firing wildly. I had to hit 1 and 2 on the keyboard to stop this.

Game critical functions you should map to the joystick buttons in the MWO software directly, it is more reliable and supports multiple controllers just fine.
I still enjoy the throttle, but it certainly has downsides. I would not recommend picking up used examples. Sad that such a promising product got botched by poor execution. All the same, I look forward to joysticking properly some day. So atm it looks like a js setup is a very expensive thing to get

[Hammerhai]

@VoodooLou:
When using the keyboard the throttle will reverse if you hold the S key long enough. How quickly it will do so depends on the Weight of your Mech. That is the best you can do atm. Even using a throttle just preselects a speed and the mech then responds according to what tweaks you have and what type it is.

[ED E]

Trying to use my Extreme 3D pro. After the latest patch everything was bound wrong. Tried to rebind but the servers went down ^^

Previously had huge problems with sensitivity/accuracy though, not something I remember having with MW4:V. Gonna give it one more shot later when the servers come back up.

[XTRMNTR2K]

Anyone know what's up with joystick support in the latest patch?

I have been using the Logitech G940 just fine for a while now, but it seems the latest patch broke something. Joystick sensitiity is extremely low again, so I've checked my logitech profiler profile since I upped the sensitivity for X and Y axes a bit - but that is still configured for the correct .exe file (MWOclient.exe). My next bet would be user.cfg - maybe the joystick buffer deactivation is not working properly anymore?

In any case, help would be appreciated; I refuse to play the game in this state, and there is no way in hell I'm going back to KB+M after enjoying MWO with a proper HOTAS setup.

[Mycrus]

i started out with 4.6 sensitivity in user.cfg now i'm up to 6 -- starting to get a hang on my G940...

need help with setting the toe breaks to enable jump jets -- i've already tried the logi profiler and setting zones, any ideas?