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[Vulpesveritas]

Youngblood, on 08 October 2012 - 11:33 AM, said:

GTX 650 Ti's release date is rumored to be tomorrow! I can't wait to check the reviews for an upgrade I'm doing for a friend this Christmas x3

And Radeon HD 7850s are coming down in price. So either might be a good deal. But of course we'll have to see.

also fixed ^^

[Youngblood]

Oops. Thank you! This friend has an unreasonable fear about mixing Intel and AMD products together (he's yet another one of those guys values his "personal experience", if you know what I mean) that I will never be able to persuade him out of, much less spring it on him as a present. He doesn't like surprises when they're being sprung on him.

My hope is that the power consumption will be low enough to fit his pre-built's power supply, and that the 128-bit interface won't choke it too badly.

[Vulpesveritas]

Youngblood, on 08 October 2012 - 12:20 PM, said:

Oops. Thank you! This friend has an unreasonable fear about mixing Intel and AMD products together (he's yet another one of those guys values his "personal experience", if you know what I mean) that I will never be able to persuade him out of, much less spring it on him as a present. He doesn't like surprises when they're being sprung on him.

My hope is that the power consumption will be low enough to fit his pre-built's power supply, and that the 128-bit interface won't choke it too badly.

Well, I can't say I'm too surprised Performs about the same as the 560 for the same price, just with less power consumption.

7850 1GB is a better budget deal right now lol. -is not surprised-

Edited by Vulpesveritas, 09 October 2012 - 09:55 PM.

[Youngblood]

Vulpesveritas, on 09 October 2012 - 09:55 PM, said:

Well, I can't say I'm too surprised Performs about the same as the 560 for the same price, just with less power consumption.

7850 1GB is a better budget deal right now lol. -is not surprised-

Yeah, nVidia really made sure they got what they asked for by taking one of the three memory controllers out of the GTX 660. It's very much two-thirds as powerful as that card, to the T. At almost two-thirds of the price, I guess?

The hard reality of my decision however, is that I have discovered that my friend's pre-built only has a 300W power supply, AND the PCI Express slot may not be able to fit a full-length card due to RAM DIMM slot clips being in the way. Nooooooooo! I'll have to check again in-person myself with a straightedge just to be sure.

So, by weird twist of fate, this does happen to be the half-length card with the most transistors on the market now, and I will definitely be looking at one in some time. Maybe that's really what nVidia was going for with the 650 Ti, pre-built owners looking to upgrade with a cramped motherboard? =/

Edited by Youngblood, 10 October 2012 - 02:37 AM.

[Sir Roland MXIII]

Well the computer arrived and everything works, with the exception of the video card. Now that I've finished banging my face on my desk, guess I'll look to see if I can afford a cheap Radeon HD 6k or 7k something prior to the Open Beta.

On the bright side the case is a Cooler Master Cosmos, AKA all-steel sexy BEAST. The Cosmos II is currently 319.99 on NewEgg so it appears I got a used Cosmos with free CPU, aftermarket heatsink, motherboard, what appears suspiciously to be an SSD backed by a 750gb HDD, DVD r/w, plus PSU and Video PSU for the price of a new Cosmos plus shipping.

I don't regret this idea of mine anymore. Now... to upgrade the internals... video card first. I forgot how much I missed building a new computer, this is going to be fun!
~Sir Roland

[Burned_Follower]

I currently own this video card, which uses a PCIex16 3.0. This GPU is backwards compatible so i know i can use it in a 2.0 slot but i want to get all the bandwith i can out of it. I also plan on purchasing a SECOND one because i want to have two of these things in my PC(but i won't get a second oc7950 until several months from now for budget reasons). I know it's not needed, but i'm planning on doing it for the thrill of it.

Also, after reading your CPU guide(due to a lot of overtime i've been working at my job i didn't finally get to really read it until this week), i am considering going AMD all the way for ethical reasons ...and because i want this 8 core CPU.

But i know that it will mean that i will have to get an AMD+3 motherboard...only problem is, is that i can't find one that has even ONE 3.0 PCIex16 slot, let alone two for when i plan on dual wielding this GPU sometime down the road.

Is there such a thing as an AMD+3 Motherboard that uses a 3.0 PCIex16 slot or am i going to have to use an intel based motherboard, thus rolling with an intel CPU chip as well?

Keep in mind, i'm not doing any autocad stuff, just MWO on Max settings, DX11, 3D, and only one monitor plus a second monitor to manage Fraps, Team Speak, Vent, Facebook, etc while playing MWO.

Edited by XxDRxDEATHxX, 11 October 2012 - 05:05 PM.

[Vulpesveritas]

XxDRxDEATHxX, on 11 October 2012 - 05:04 PM, said:

I currently own this video card, which uses a PCIex16 3.0. This GPU is backwards compatible so i know i can use it in a 2.0 slot but i want to get all the bandwith i can out of it. I also plan on purchasing a SECOND one because i want to have two of these things in my PC(but i won't get a second oc7950 until several months from now for budget reasons). I know it's not needed, but i'm planning on doing it for the thrill of it.

Also, after reading your CPU guide(due to a lot of overtime i've been working at my job i didn't finally get to really read it until this week), i am considering going AMD all the way for ethical reasons ...and because i want this 8 core CPU.

But i know that it will mean that i will have to get an AMD+3 motherboard...only problem is, is that i can't find one that has even ONE 3.0 PCIex16 slot, let alone two for when i plan on dual wielding this GPU sometime down the road.

Is there such a thing as an AMD+3 Motherboard that uses a 3.0 PCIex16 slot or am i going to have to use an intel based motherboard, thus rolling with an intel CPU chip as well?

Keep in mind, i'm not doing any autocad stuff, just MWO on Max settings, DX11, 3D, and only one monitor plus a second monitor to manage Fraps, Team Speak, Vent, Facebook, etc while playing MWO.

A 7950 can't max out the bandwidth of a PCIe-2.0 slot.
a 7970 can't either.
nor can a ghz edition overclocked as high as it can go on air.

case in point: a x16 2.0 port has more bandwidth than your GPU can use, it's part of the reason AMD opted not to upgrade to PCIe-3.0 on their FX series chips, and by what I've heard, plan to completely skip PCIe-3.0 and wait for 4.0 in a few years.

So I wouldn't worry, as you'll get everything out of your GPU bandwidth wise, and if you get a 990FX board, it should have two x16 lanes available for use for your GPU.

[Corpse Grinder]

I've got the ASUS Sabertooth AM3+ 990FX. I LOVE it!!

Vulpesveritas, on 11 October 2012 - 06:55 PM, said:

case in point: a x16 2.0 port has more bandwidth than your GPU can use, it's part of the reason AMD opted not to upgrade to PCIe-3.0 on their FX series chips, and by what I've heard, plan to completely skip PCIe-3.0 and wait for 4.0 in a few years.

Ummmm, my AM3+ Sabertooth 990FX mobo has PCIe 3.0

[Vulpesveritas]

Corpse Grinder, on 11 October 2012 - 07:03 PM, said:

I've got the ASUS Sabertooth AM3+ 990FX. I LOVE it!!



Ummmm, my AM3+ Sabertooth 990FX mobo has PCIe 3.0

It is not listed under Asus specifications. Nor do AMD CPUs support PCIe 3.0 at this time, so even if it had an electrical 3.0 port, it would still only have the bandwidth of a 2.0 port.

Noting of which, this year was when we finally had a GPU capable of using up a PCIe-1.0 x16 port. The Geforce GTX 690. So until we see a card twice as fast as a Geforce GTX 690, we won't see the bandwidth of a PCIe-2.0 port be used up. Which if trends go as they seem, we won't see for 3-6 years.

[michaelius]

You can forget about using dual core core 2 duo for MWO- my friend is running overclocked E8400 and he barely gets 20 fps.


Well at least you didn't waste any money on AMD Trinity which is disaster for gaming.

[Sir Roland MXIII]

Well I've read a few people with dual cores doing well enough to get by. And the GPU factors in as well, hence why I'd prefer to overshoot the max specs if at all possible on video card when I replace this one.

As far as my performance goes I won't know until I enter the game. Even if I get less than 30 frames/ second I'll still keep at it. Won't be the first time I've played a game under spec, and most of the time I still kick decent amounts of sit-muscle regardless of ping or fps.

Edited by Sir Roland MXIII, 11 October 2012 - 10:23 PM.

[Vulpesveritas]

michaelius, on 11 October 2012 - 09:57 PM, said:

Well at least you didn't waste any money on AMD Trinity which is disaster for gaming.

Funny you say that when an A10 outperforms an i3 in quad-threaded gaming for the same price, and performs the same in lightly threaded scenarios with only mild overclocking. The new Trinity A10s are faster clock-for-clock than the old phenom II's and slightly faster clock-for-clock than a Core 2. It also seems to be outperforming sandy bridge in scenarios where newer instruction sets are being used.

I also don't see how a APU that manages to pull of 1080p in most games (albeit at lower settings for new games) can be a disaster for gaming.

[Sir Roland MXIII]

Vulpesveritas, on 11 October 2012 - 10:26 PM, said:

Funny you say that when an A10 outperforms an i3 in quad-threaded gaming for the same price, and performs the same in lightly threaded scenarios with only mild overclocking. The new Trinity A10s are faster clock-for-clock than the old phenom II's and slightly faster clock-for-clock than a Core 2. It also seems to be outperforming sandy bridge in scenarios where newer instruction sets are being used.

I also don't see how a APU that manages to pull of 1080p in most games (albeit at lower settings for new games) can be a disaster for gaming.

I have yet to rule out plumping for an A10 5800k or whatever the next round of APU's top chip is, and then saving up for a 7970 if possible by Black Friday. That Devil 13 is... calling my name...

EDIT Ahem. Heh, I should also mention that basically my decision is which socket path to go with. Seems to me AM3+ and FM2, either way I go, I probably won't be disappointed. Although I find the FM2 path more enticing. I'm not sure I'd want to wait for Steamroller. And Piledriver basically IS FM2, at least for now.

Edited by Sir Roland MXIII, 11 October 2012 - 10:43 PM.

[Sir Roland MXIII]

Ok, so I figured this might be the best place to ask this. If not, tell me to make a new topic and I'll do that instead.

Here's the issue. If I have every reason to think a video card is dead or non-functional, mainly due to lack of info sent to monitor and a BIOS double beep during the video / shader / BIOS step of post...

But the GPU heatsink fan spins... well, is there any hope or likelihood this card can be repaired somehow? Or is that a lost cause? My tech knowledge doesn't cover that (yet).

Or perhaps is there something else that I should look at to confirm the card is dead or not? Anyways, thanks for any and all advice you folks might have for me.

Aym, on 03 October 2012 - 04:10 AM, said:

I like all the tech-y purple eagle's flying around in here. I'll have to bring some friends by the FWLM TS3 channel to talk to you guys about pc parts for MWO!

Heh, this techy's a Merc who hails from the land of the Suns! I have no issues with FWL though - so long as you pay us on time and in full.

[AllGamer]

i picked up the Thrustmaster T-flight HOTAS X a couple of days ago, it's the best bang for the buck, can be had for less than $50
spend a great deal of time configuring it the first day i had it, so didn't get to really appreciate it much until last night

MWO turned into a whole new level of game play for me, everything is so much more efficient, than when you are on a keyboard + mouse

if anyone needs the actionmaps.xml profile and user.cfg settings for the Thrustmaster T-flight HOTAS X to work properly, go to this other topic http://mwomercs.com/...hotas-x-review/


Ironic thing is, shortly after i finished programming & configuring my Thrustmaster T-flight HOTAS X is that I realized there was really no need for me to get another controller.

I could have easily used my existing Logitech MOMO Racing Force Feedback Wheel for MWO, sure it might feel a bit weird, but literally DRIVING an Atlas instead of Piloting one would have been real funny



the 6 buttons are perfect, 1 for each of the 6 weapon groups
the break pedal can be configure as X for full stop
the gas can be configure as Pitch (Look up/down)
the shifter can be configured as W for Forward / S for Backward, Neutral = stopped
and the steering wheel itself naturally as Left / Right

Sure it's missing a few more buttons for Zoom, Jump Jets, Night Vision, Heat Vision, and Torso axis Left / Right; you'll have to aim with your torso, but it's a good compromise if you don't want to spend money on a flight controller.

[DechanFraser]

Hi,

(I have only read the first post of this thread.)

A friend gave me a Thrustmaster Mark 2 as a present in 1997. It works until today. The stock springs inside of it broke. I was lucky to find some softer springs of the same size. With thoose the stick became really great.
Had alot of fun with it in IL2-Sturmovik.

Have had also a Logitech Sidewinder. That stick was total crap. It required to much force for a 12-14 year old boy to handle it and a plastic part inside of it broke soon after purchase. Since then...Logitech never again!

Have bought an X45 when it was on discount for 80€ new and used it only in IL2-Sturmovik huge amounts of time. The center detent on the stick was really annoying. Shooting exactly while flying straight was almost impossible. The throttle sometimes did not reached it´s 100% ingame, which meant that you had to use a trick at calibrating.


TIP:
The centering detent and stuttering stick movement could be solved well with silicone grease between the disc and it´s bearing on the centering mechanism of the stick. That made stick movement really smooth.

[T3N5H1]

Great post, but do you have any informations about the Speedlink Black Widow?
I already own this and would use it because of the Throttle-Function for walking.

Heres a link to the producer
http://www.amazon.co...k/dp/B0001ZN4WU

[Straker]

I'm planning on dumping some money into a good setup. I have a nice joysticl now, but really don't like the feel of having mech movement (legs) and torso twist on the same hand. I know I could go with pedals for leg control, but I play light mechs and I think it would probably get tiresome for long periods.

What I really want is a setup where I can control throttle and leg movement with one hand and the other be torso twist, with a regular joystick. Kind of hard to tell from the write-ups which throttles actually twist for x-y control as well. Any advice?

[Fish Eye]

Thanks for the commentary, everyone! Once my status finally goes from "Pending" to whaterver, I'll happily dust off my old MS FFB2. It's served me well since MW3 and still works, last I used it for SWBF2. Sure, it's big and clunky, bit it's never let me down. I first played with mouse and keyboard, but thought it made things unrealistic and too easy, lacking the immersion of a good, multi-functional joystick. Never tried pedals, etc. Always seemed to dang busy for my taste.

[windermere]

I tried to use my Logitech Extreme 3D Pro, but could not get the settings right at this point - I was able to find a set up but it just didn't work as it should. I priced out pedals and a good set up and you are looking at starting about $300 from scratch.