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[Azuanite]

So i did, i went ahead and bought my own ecm atlas and started to stomp people all day. That is what the forum meant when they told me to l2p right?

Edited by Azuanite, 14 December 2012 - 10:46 PM.

[Jacmac]

What ever you say dude....

[Biglead]

Haha, that IS what adapting means.

[Leetskeet]

Yes, that's what it means.

Run a build that actually works or get out

Balance be damned

Edited by Leetskeet, 14 December 2012 - 11:19 PM.

[SpiralRazor]

Yeah man..i actually have to say that is what they meant, sadly enough.

If would be amusing if like, the DDC sucked or anything, but umm...


Man, I hope the stalker does get its ECM variant..Streaks and LL clusters to go along with the DDCs.

Edited by SpiralRazor, 14 December 2012 - 11:26 PM.

[Kaijin]

SpiralRazor, on 14 December 2012 - 11:24 PM, said:

Yeah man..i actually have to say that is what they meant, sadly enough.

If would be amusing if like, the DDC sucked or anything, but umm...


Man, I hope the stalker does get its ECM variant..Streaks and LL clusters to go along with the DDCs.

I don't care anymore. If ECM is "working as intended", as Paul told PCGamer, then I won't be getting a Stalker because I won't be playing MWO.

[Johnneh]

ECM doesn't protect you from getting shot in the face, You shouldn't need a red box to be present to kill your enemy... just don't use locking weapons and ECM is nullified.

[GalaxyBluestar]

Johnneh, on 14 December 2012 - 11:43 PM, said:

ECM doesn't protect you from getting shot in the face, You shouldn't need a red box to be present to kill your enemy... just don't use locking weapons and ECM is nullified.

yep and that's what many have done cause being caught out by one of many ecm carriers is hell. so the game's become stale hopefully the next patch will have something to say about it.

[Poisoner]

I like ECM so much that I got a DC.

[Ursh]

I wouldn't worry too much. Half the people that like to tell others to learn to play aren't very good themselves. For many (terrible) people, the internet is a consequence free environment where they can talk to people in a rude and condescending manner that they most likely don't use in the real world.

Got told I sucked by some guy on my team the other day. End of the match saw me with about 30% more damage and the same number of kills as him. Somehow I wasn't matching his expectations of fantastic play, despite outplaying him.

Regarding ECM, the 'learn to play and adapt' crowd may consist of a health percentage of people who just happen to favor ballistics and lasers over missiles.

[Kaspirikay]

FOTM or ****

[elbloom]

I really don´t understand wot problem you guys have with ecm, I pug with it all day and it doesn´t kill fun or diversity the way i experience the situation now.

Theres still plenty of LRM boaters out there, you just don´t see them every match.
If your team has ecm you can be a bit more offensive but it doesn´t have to pay off, you still can be capped .... if your team doesn´t have ecm you play a bit more defensive, with cover and stuff, you know ?

Your team fullo noobs run of in every direction doing 12 damage each or less when engaged ? well ecm can´t solve this problem, match lost ^^

What i really have a problem with is the 50 damage noobs, they drive a heavy and do consistently low damage like they just hit ONE alpha in an entire match..... those drive me crazy ^^

[Ursh]

elbloom, on 15 December 2012 - 12:13 AM, said:

I really don´t understand wot problem you guys have with ecm, I pug with it all day and it doesn´t kill fun or diversity the way i experience the situation now.

Theres still plenty of LRM boaters out there, you just don´t see them every match.
If your team has ecm you can be a bit more offensive but it doesn´t have to pay off, you still can be capped .... if your team doesn´t have ecm you play a bit more defensive, with cover and stuff, you know ?

Your team fullo noobs run of in every direction doing 12 damage each or less when engaged ? well ecm can´t solve this problem, match lost ^^

What i really have a problem with is the 50 damage noobs, they drive a heavy and do consistently low damage like they just hit ONE alpha in an entire match..... those drive me crazy ^^

There are lots of threads where people explicitly state their problems with ECM. Some complaints are just whining, but they are vastly outweighed by many posts where people have logically laid out a convincing case for ECM being extremely unbalanced.

[elbloom]

@ursh
i enjoy mwo much more now than missile warrior online before the ecm patch, I heard some sane arguments about ecm being OP, nonetheless the game is now more enjoyable than without it

[Taizan]

L2P = "jump on the fotm train" 6 D-DCs, 2 Ravens, hf.

[Revorn]

L2P is the argument they use, if they have no argument.

[Aegis Kleais]

Azuanite, on 14 December 2012 - 10:45 PM, said:

So i did, i went ahead and bought my own ecm atlas and started to stomp people all day. That is what the forum meant when they told me to l2p right?

Anyone using 'L2_______' is automatically discredited as having an opinion worth listening too.

[ArmandTulsen]

I have to say, as an advocate of ECM and somebody who uses it on the Atlas D-DC frequently, it's really, really, REALLY... REALLY OP! It absolutely IS a must, since it's just a massive advantage.

ECM should only be cloaking the mech carrying it, and the lock-ons should be blocked only for those intended mechs equipping ECM. This nonsense about shielding friendly mechs from radar and lock on is exactly what makes it OP.

[Aurias]

There's generally a stigma that if you're complaining about it, you must not have the tactical skill to defeat it.

Simple solution: learn how to defeat it. The only thing ECM does is punish you even harder for being out of position.

note: I was a 3L pilot before it was fotm, ECM is easy to deal with with or without counter ECM. I don't like how it has changed the game, though.

[An Individual]

Aurias, on 15 December 2012 - 01:30 AM, said:

There's generally a stigma that if you're complaining about it, you must not have the tactical skill to defeat it.

Simple solution: learn how to defeat it. The only thing ECM does is punish you even harder for being out of position.

note: I was a 3L pilot before it was fotm, ECM is easy to deal with with or without counter ECM. I don't like how it has changed the game, though.

It also means that it is nigh impossible to solo PUG with lock on weapons unless you have ECM yourself. I've tried it a number of times and for every match where you get to participate there is another where a portion of your arsenal is completely nullified because a single opposing mech took ECM and the opposing team is packed around them. I'm beginning to think TAG beating ECM is a lie. It is unreliable if it works at all.

If you're playing in a group this is a different story. I can see why people who play in teams like it. From a solo player's perspective it needs some serious changes going foward.