72 replies to this topic

[Ghogiel]

Yes. Taking some thing that counters ECM is what they meant. ie taking ECM of your own.

[Aegis Kleais]

ArmandTulsen, on 15 December 2012 - 01:27 AM, said:

I have to say, as an advocate of ECM and somebody who uses it on the Atlas D-DC frequently, it's really, really, REALLY... REALLY OP! It absolutely IS a must, since it's just a massive advantage.

ECM should only be cloaking the mech carrying it, and the lock-ons should be blocked only for those intended mechs equipping ECM. This nonsense about shielding friendly mechs from radar and lock on is exactly what makes it OP.

Would be interesting to see just those changes made to the system and how it would affect gameplay.

Running a CTF-3D, I can say that having people blip out and disappear in tandem with not being able to get fixations on enemies around you outside your FOV is rather effective.

It's one thing to take down a lumbering armor-plated ECM carrier like that Atlas, that just takes time; but when it's on these darned lights that take 5x the effort in killing...... ugh.

[indigo]

GalaxyBluestar, on 14 December 2012 - 11:49 PM, said:

yep and that's what many have done cause being caught out by one of many ecm carriers is hell. so the game's become stale hopefully the next patch will have something to say about it.

yeah .. I hear this sooo often untill now .. hopefully next patch wil .. LOL ... and it comes and just makes everything worse ...

[Johnneh]

GalaxyBluestar, on 14 December 2012 - 11:49 PM, said:

yep and that's what many have done cause being caught out by one of many ecm carriers is hell. so the game's become stale hopefully the next patch will have something to say about it.

I totally agree, but I don't think they will change ECM to much now, until maybe everyone stops using lock on weapons and everyone is using ECM

[Elkarlo]

Just got me an Com-2D and i like playing Easymode.

Everybody complaining about the ECM should play an ECM Mech, the whole Weekend and play Cap racing !

By doing so they will have the money for the Stalker, and the Nerfbat will hammer down ECM harder...

[BigJim]

Ursh, on 15 December 2012 - 12:33 AM, said:

There are lots of threads where people explicitly state their problems with ECM. Some complaints are just whining, but they are vastly outweighed by many posts where people have logically laid out a convincing case for ECM being extremely unbalanced.

I've read lots of threads where people talk about how they don't like it, but unbalanced..? Not so much.

ECM could stay as-is, could be tweaked slightly, or could be taken out tomorrow and I wouldn't really care; I have no emotional investment either way.

But what I do hate is all these oh-so intellectual bulls**t threads.
The easy counter to ECM is to not rely on things that ECM disrupts.

* If you want LRM spotters against ECM-sheilded targets, use appropriate mechs for the job; That means using your own, valuable ECM-equipped mechs to get in close, burn-through the enemy ECM and get paint.
Risk, reward. Reward, risk.

* If you want to relay target information on ECM equipped mechs to the team, use eyeballs and communicate this to them.

* If you face off against a big ole' blob of enemy mechs all walking under an ECM umbrella toward you, use your teams' superior speed & mobility (because you clearly aren't using such a config, right?) to either take their objective (base), or otherwise outmanoeuvre them into a fight that you are better equipped to handle.


When rude people say "LTP", yeah I agree, they're being rude, but the point is that not everything should have a single hard counter.
Nothing is so boring as games where A counters B, counters C.

God, that's so simplistic, I hate it; The rock/paper/scissors analogy is bad because R/P/S is a crap game.
If it was a good game, we'd all be playing that, and not sophisticated tactical team-games.

Edited by BigJim, 15 December 2012 - 02:41 AM.

[One Medic Army]

Aegis Kleais, on 15 December 2012 - 02:03 AM, said:

Would be interesting to see just those changes made to the system and how it would affect gameplay.

Running a CTF-3D, I can say that having people blip out and disappear in tandem with not being able to get fixations on enemies around you outside your FOV is rather effective.

It's one thing to take down a lumbering armor-plated ECM carrier like that Atlas, that just takes time; but when it's on these darned lights that take 5x the effort in killing...... ugh.

That's the only bit that annoys me, the removal of the minimap icons. No longer knowing where allies or enemies are. The rest doesn't bother me personally.
I think it needs changing, but so do streaks and at least ECM has stopped the streak A1 boats mostly.

Btw I mainly play medium and heavy mechs, and don't own any ECM mechs at all.

[xxx WreckinBallRaj xxx]

Azuanite, on 14 December 2012 - 10:45 PM, said:

So i did, i went ahead and bought my own ecm atlas and started to stomp people all day. That is what the forum meant when they told me to l2p right?

I did the same thing. I shelfed my row of LRM Carriers and forked out for a 3L. Now I'm just strafing around without any kind of care at 300m just going pewpew with ML and powpow with Streaks. I actually do more damage on an average now than I ever did on my LRM Carriers. And I'm doing it without missiles. Without any caution or skill. Without any possibility of accidentally falling down. Without LRMs.

[Ghogiel]

The second match I ever played after buying a 3L I did like 1200 damage and got 5 kills. My 3L didn't even have coolrun unlocked.

It makes a ton of cbills too.

[xxx WreckinBallRaj xxx]

Ghogiel, on 15 December 2012 - 03:08 AM, said:

The second match I ever played after buying a 3L I did like 1200 damage and got 5 kills. My 3L didn't even have coolrun unlocked.

It makes a ton of cbills too.

Ya, the repair bill is moot, even with Ferro Fibrious, which mine has. I'm 1-4 damage every game, usually third or above, often with top kills + experience too due to the kill hit stealing Streaks(Which I can force to function with ECM). Some games I get 5 killing hits due to my pewpew powpow spamming and go home with 1k experience. It's ridiculous. And no one can hit you. The lagshield due to sloppy netcode is a much better armor than what my Catapult ever had. And there's no LRMs going to get you under the ECM umbrella. And if the enemy doesn't have an ECM, they can't use Streaks on you either. I'm usually last to die in a losing game because no one can touch me without missing 10 other shots. Can't touch this. Dun dun dun dun. No knockdowns. No LRMs. No streaks. Dun dun dun dun. Can't touch this!

Edited by Bluten, 15 December 2012 - 03:18 AM.

[Mack1]

Azuanite, on 14 December 2012 - 10:45 PM, said:

So i did, i went ahead and bought my own ecm atlas and started to stomp people all day. That is what the forum meant when they told me to l2p right?

ECM was brought out to comfort the bad players that could not deal with artillery in the game, end of.

[Tickdoff Tank]

I always laugh at the D-DC in matches, they die so easily and they are usually one of the first targets to get the attention of the other team. In skilled hands the Atlas is tough (like every other mech) but a lot of people think that ECM is some sort of invulnerability shield and seem suprised when they get blown up quickly.

[Codejack]

I refuse to run any mech that doesn't have ECM anymore; yea, maybe the other side won't have any, either, but odds are that they will, and if we don't, we're at a serious disadvantage.

Lesson: Everyone is supposed to be running ECM, now.

[Kaspirikay]

Codejack, on 15 December 2012 - 05:53 AM, said:

I refuse to run any mech that doesn't have ECM anymore; yea, maybe the other side won't have any, either, but odds are that they will, and if we don't, we're at a serious disadvantage. Lesson: Everyone is supposed to be running ECM, now.

This

[OVBlueGhost]

Codejack, on 15 December 2012 - 05:53 AM, said:

I refuse to run any mech that doesn't have ECM anymore; yea, maybe the other side won't have any, either, but odds are that they will, and if we don't, we're at a serious disadvantage.

Lesson: Everyone is supposed to be running ECM, now.

I'll run non-ecm stuff if someone else in my drop is running ECM (4 mans). Or if I'm playing with a group who are collectively good enough that we're going to win like 9/10 anyway.

I don't need ECM for a 4 man to smash pugs and losing when we come up against a 4 ecm raven team whilst annoying isn't happening that often yet, when everyone realizes how easy mode it is I suspect you'll get it a lot though.

[Joseph Mallan]

Codejack, on 15 December 2012 - 05:53 AM, said:

I refuse to run any mech that doesn't have ECM anymore; yea, maybe the other side won't have any, either, but odds are that they will, and if we don't, we're at a serious disadvantage.

Lesson: Everyone is supposed to be running ECM, now.

Cause we are supposed to be testing if it's broken or not.

[nom de guerre]

Azuanite, on 14 December 2012 - 10:45 PM, said:

So i did, i went ahead and bought my own ecm atlas and started to stomp people all day. That is what the forum meant when they told me to l2p right?

got bored with my D-DC (almost 400k xp on it after mastering...) and started playing a 6x srm6 cat ecm != autowin.

[Adridos]

I never had any problems with ECM... might someone introduce me to the problem?

[nom de guerre]

Adridos, on 15 December 2012 - 06:42 AM, said:

I never had any problems with ECM... might someone introduce me to the problem?

its the new boogy man now that they fixed matchmaking, lrms etc.

[xxx WreckinBallRaj xxx]

Kaspirikay, on 15 December 2012 - 05:57 AM, said:

This

I love that guy. Half in the Bag is great. Btw, they finally released a new Plinkett review! Plinkett reviews are the best reviews ever made. In this one, Plinkett accidentally kills a blue chick from Avatar and reveals that the Titanic was really destroyed by an alien space ship. SPOILERS!
http://redlettermedi...review-titanic/

Edited by Bluten, 15 December 2012 - 06:53 AM.