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[PANZERBUNNY]

...when R&R is removed.

We're going to see the swarms rush to dump an XL in their rides because they won't have to pay the price of dying with them, so get in the habit of sniping those torsos, driving all those new players they "attracted" with this feature removal to the forums to complain about how easy it is to die with and XL engine, forcing the devs to respond, changing the game further, pandering to the masses that will ditch this game when a new COD hits the shops.

You may go about your business.

[Voridan Atreides]

PANZERBUNNY, on 17 December 2012 - 03:05 PM, said:

...when R&R is removed.

We're going to see the swarms rush to dump an XL in their rides because they won't have to pay the price of dying with them, so get in the habit of sniping those torsos, driving all those new players they "attracted" with this feature removal to the forums to complain about how easy it is to die with and XL engine, forcing the devs to respond, changing the game further, pandering to the masses that will ditch this game when a new COD hits the shops.

You may go about your business.

What is happening? I have not heard of this yet.

[Bagheera]

Voridan Atreides, on 17 December 2012 - 03:06 PM, said:

What is happening? I have not heard of this yet.

Check the Economy thread in the command chair. Part of the changes is the complete removal of all repair and rearm costs.

Edited by Bagheera, 17 December 2012 - 03:08 PM.

[Sarsin]

The financial punishment is you no longer get to participate since you get less of a "free ride" in C-Bills for just showing up. So instead of abstracting it behind R&R costs, you can see directly from your earning that "Hey, I'm sucking out loud because I am dying too fast with this XL engine".

[Deadoon]

A lot of people will be running XL engines, I'll wait for the light engine/clan xl. Until then, standard all they way except certain mechs.

[Dax Frey]

XL's aren't less common because they are expensive to repair...they are less common cause they make you squishy as hell.

[SpiralRazor]

most likely true Sarsin lol

[Rippthrough]

Hah, you think that's bad, wait until you solo 6 of the enemy mechs and get punished because you only got 2 assists....

[Voridan Atreides]

Bagheera, on 17 December 2012 - 03:07 PM, said:

Check the Economy thread in the command chair. Part of the changes is the complete removal of all repair and rearm costs.

Okay then I might have heard of this...It rings a bell.

[Moonsavage]

tbh a hit to the torso XL engine should slow you down, not blow you up.

I have never fitted an XL, cos I lose a torso every couple of matches.

[Dax Frey]

Moonsavage, on 17 December 2012 - 03:10 PM, said:

tbh a hit to the torso XL engine should slow you down, not blow you up.

I have never fitted an XL, cos I lose a torso every couple of matches.

And that is why nothing will change in the use of XL's. They are risky to use...not because of cost, but because its NO FUN dying.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

PANZERBUNNY, on 17 December 2012 - 03:05 PM, said:

...when R&R is removed.

We're going to see the swarms rush to dump an XL in their rides because they won't have to pay the price of dying with them, so get in the habit of sniping those torsos, driving all those new players they "attracted" with this feature removal to the forums to complain about how easy it is to die with and XL engine, forcing the devs to respond, changing the game further, pandering to the masses that will ditch this game when a new COD hits the shops.

You may go about your business.

you are describing my sig lol

[Tor6]

Are you actually complaining that people will be able to run xls in anything other than lights, dragons and cats and experiment to see what they personally like? Are you really going to complain that people might actually USE the various gear peices available, find that it has tradeoffs, and then reevaluate whether they really want to run an xl? You're arguing for uniformity of builds because no one can afford to run ff/xl/etc, and that's contributing more to stagnation of mech design than having MORE choice will. Sure there are some mechs which might always benefit from xl/ff etc. But these things are supposedly already balanced somewhat by their weight/crit tradeoff. It's not like people couldn't already afford to run an xl if they wanted (seriously you have to try to lose money on a match unless you're dying every round in an assault mech because no one pays to replace ammo).

So what if people run xl engines now and they don't need to pay repair costs? There are downsides to the things outside of cost, and balancing on $$$ is a horrible way to balance because it works in favor of those with deep pockets. This change is for the better because it'll force equipment to be balanced on its merits instead of on some arbitrary cost.

[Deadoon]

Moonsavage, on 17 December 2012 - 03:10 PM, said:

tbh a hit to the torso XL engine should slow you down, not blow you up.

I have never fitted an XL, cos I lose a torso every couple of matches.

You just lost 1/4 your heart, how does that make you feel?
Clan you lose only 1/5, they can still function but at a massive detriment, same with light fusion engines.

Tor6, on 17 December 2012 - 03:14 PM, said:

Are you actually complaining that people will be able to run xls in anything other than lights, dragons and cats and experiment to see what they personally like? Are you really going to complain that people might actually USE the various gear peices available, find that it has tradeoffs, and then reevaluate whether they really want to run an xl? You're arguing for uniformity of builds because no one can afford to run ff/xl/etc, and that's contributing more to stagnation of mech design than having MORE choice will. Sure there are some mechs which might always benefit from xl/ff etc. But these things are supposedly already balanced somewhat by their weight/crit tradeoff. It's not like people couldn't already afford to run an xl if they wanted (seriously you have to try to lose money on a match unless you're dying every round in an assault mech because no one pays to replace ammo).

So what if people run xl engines now and they don't need to pay repair costs? There are downsides to the things outside of cost, and balancing on $$$ is a horrible way to balance because it works in favor of those with deep pockets. This change is for the better because it'll force equipment to be balanced on its merits instead of on some arbitrary cost.

He isn't complaining, he is saying that side torso are going to become much more viable directed targets than CT on custom mechs due to use of xl engines.

Edited by Deadoon, 17 December 2012 - 03:16 PM.

[skullman86]

Instead of completely removing RnR, why not remove the free RnR (75%?) and make players pay the whole bill?

...I would get a kick out of watching the forums explode over that.

[Jacmac]

PANZERBUNNY, on 17 December 2012 - 03:05 PM, said:

...when R&R is removed.

We're going to see the swarms rush to dump an XL in their rides because they won't have to pay the price of dying with them,

I doubt it. The choice between XL and regular has never been about the repair cost for me. I will not throw an XL into a Hunchback because the hunched torso is too big of a target and there is not enough armor.

Edited by Jacmac, 17 December 2012 - 03:17 PM.

[FrupertApricot]

I cant wait. Punish people who use XL engines without understanding the risks. Funniest thing is when ppl use CASE with XL engines. literally no effect besides repair costs which are now gone.

[Deadoon]

skullman86, on 17 December 2012 - 03:16 PM, said:

Instead of completely removing RnR, why not remove the free RnR (75%?) and make players pay the whole bill?

...I would get a kick out of watching the forums explode over that.

Yep and watch them alienate new players and old alike, thus dooming this game due to bad decisions.

[xxx WreckinBallRaj xxx]

I still won't be using an XL Engine. RT/LT drops every game before I die, basically meaning I'd die sooner by using one. You can keep it. I'll pass. There's also still the cost of buying it. Pass again.

The only XL I got is the one that came in my 3L, and I see no reason to use it. Ferro Fibrious already ate his extra slots and won't kill me for using it. It's already down to 2 slots with DHS/Endo/Ferro. No need for an XL. Bigger Mechs might have 6 extra slots, but not 14 for Ferro, but still, I'd rather just sit on the slots. I'm not going to die sooner every match just for a few extra tons of weight.

[PANZERBUNNY]

Moonsavage, on 17 December 2012 - 03:10 PM, said:

tbh a hit to the torso XL engine should slow you down, not blow you up.

I have never fitted an XL, cos I lose a torso every couple of matches.

You die when your engine dies. An XL engines spills into the side torso because that's the downside of the advanced tech.

Lighter weight engine. More chance of the engine taking a hit to criticals when it's exposed.

Some people are forgetting the lure of an engine that will let newer players pack more weapons and ammo onto their mech.

Target those torsos. You'll be getting some awesome pops.

Edited by PANZERBUNNY, 17 December 2012 - 03:21 PM.