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[Revolver Kirin]

I am pretty sure I can open my Technical Readout 3060 and pick out a half a dozen crap mechs without trying. Without going into the Clan section, which is where the vast majority of crap mechs are hanging out for once(totem mechs anyone?). There are crap mechs. Some mechs are outstanding, some mechs are average, some are made by the Capellan Confederation, and some just plain blow. That's what BV was about. Balancing the mechs.

[Insidious Johnson]

Pugastrius, on 18 December 2012 - 12:43 PM, said:

It's a direct slap in the face to all Awesome owners, and nobody will ever buy an Awesome again.

Awesome driver slapping!
Where do we sign up for this community event? Can we get something like this for local fairs and fundraisers, like a dunking booth?

[Zyfe]

Vassago Rain, on 18 December 2012 - 01:02 PM, said:

You get one assault for one assault. So if someone brings a gimped awesome, the other team can get a good atlas. Just like if they bring the horrible K atlas, the other team gets an assault that may or may not be an equally gimped K.

So yes, they're easy to compare, and you need to take your roleplaying elsewhere. Awesome is bad.

I say this as someone who has three, and Kong in general loves awesomes.

I don't even know why I'm bothering with this, because from my experience in reading these forums you're nothing more than a troll, but regardless - the fact that CURRENTLY the game balances matches based on number of Assaults in a match and doesn't consider direct tonnage is NOT a clear indication of imbalance among DIFFERENT tonnage mechs. Eventually the matches will not be balanced this way (as stated by the devs saying they are working on matchmaking improvements) and at that point ,an Awesome at 80 tons will be entirely different from a 100 ton Atlas or an 85 ton Stalker or whatever you have.

Stop comparing apples to oranges, they are different mechs. I'm not sure what you're looking for here - do you want 3 different Atlas's that only differ in appearance? Hey, it would be balanced!

[80Bit]

Mechs and Mech variants should get small, unique bonuses to the rolls they are supposed to fill. Some of the AWS could have "-10% PPC/ERPPC heat generation" for example. I saw someone post that this is "planned", but I have never found anything said by the devs about it.

Such bonuses would help make Mechs and variants more unique and give a boost to some of the pointless variants. (Looking at you AS7-K)

[Budor]

83.x km/h, 4 mplas, 3 srm4, 23 DHS AWS-9M approves of this thread.

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[Alex Iglesias]

things to factor

stalkers have very small profiles for their weight head on, and a lot of potential firepower due to their large array of hardpoints.

However, the key to killing stalkers is to not face them head on.
Between average speed for an assault, no lower arm actuators, and almost half the twist range of a catapult, and that it's small head on profile turns into giant barn sized hitboxes when turned to the side, the key here is to flank and strafe like your life depends on it.

By no means are they necessarily easy kills, but just pointing out hardpoints aren't everything.

i.e. If you are a stalker pilot, keep in mind that you are more vulnerable to being out-maneuvered by pretty much anything but anything unlucky enough to face you head on is gonna have a real hard time

[Nightcrept]

A giant slow mech that has no arms , a giant center torso and very limited torso twisting?

I can see the lights mech pilots giggling with glee already.

[One Medic Army]

Stalker push through the caves anyone?

[SI The Joker]

New mechs are not supposed to be upgrades of existing mechs. New mechs are supposed to be exactly that - new mechs with their own hardpoints and characteristics that make them unique.

Whether you see it as an upgrade or something you want to play is up to you.

I do have to laugh though... It's OP before it's even playable. Hilarious.

[Walk]

Ragor, on 18 December 2012 - 12:50 PM, said:

[Khobai]

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So you give up 3.5 Energy Slots and an AMS... really?
This is balanced?

Awesome 9M can go like 80kph. So the real question is why would you ever take the Stalker? Sure it has 10 hardpoints but you cant use more than 7-8 weapons reasonably without overheating. And the Stalker is slow. While the Awesome 9M gives 7 hardpoints and is extremely fast for an assault.

Edited by Khobai, 18 December 2012 - 01:12 PM.

[Alfred VonGunn]

Zyfe, on 18 December 2012 - 01:05 PM, said:

Stop comparing apples to oranges, they are different mechs. I'm not sure what you're looking for here - do you want 3 different Atlas's that only differ in appearance? Hey, it would be balanced!

But if he did that the only way he could up his post count would be doing bump all day:)

[Sp4wNers]

OP - It depends on your gameplay style.

[Odins Fist]

Pugastrius, on 18 December 2012 - 12:43 PM, said:

It's a direct slap in the face to all Awesome owners, and nobody will ever buy an Awesome again.

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Wait a minute, you put up with the "ENORMOUS" hit box for the head until they fixed that, and said "It will be good now".??
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Then you ran a (BROAD SIDE OF A BARN), I mean Awesome, and thought they would get better some how against it's direct couterpart?
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From the start the "AWESOME" has been a "WASTE" of an Assault Mech slot for a team.. PERIOD..
I remember running with a friend (2) Atlas, we turned the corner on Forest Colony and ran into (3) Awesomes, and in less than 10 seconds destoyed them all, no contest, then proceeded on.
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Long range fire is also a problem, yeah the Awesome can have a long range support role, but it's front is "SO" wide that I hit Awesomes with a Gauss round much easier at longe range than anything else in the game..
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You know the old saying... "If you can't hit the broad side of a barn, you "CAN" hit an Awesome"...

[Yankee77]

Alex Iglesias, on 18 December 2012 - 12:52 PM, said:

fun fact, Stalkers have only about 60 degrees of torso twist to either side

Thanks for the info, that's very interesting indeed.

Makes me feel better about my Catapult, which I feared was getting eclipsed in all areas except speed.

This is mostly still the case, but now it definitely has a clear mobility advantage.

Thank you.

[Mercules]

Alex Iglesias, on 18 December 2012 - 01:06 PM, said:

things to factor

stalkers have very small profiles for their weight head on, and a lot of potential firepower due to their large array of hardpoints.

However, the key to killing stalkers is to not face them head on.
Between average speed for an assault, no lower arm actuators, and almost half the twist range of a catapult, and that it's small head on profile turns into giant barn sized hitboxes when turned to the side, the key here is to flank and strafe like your life depends on it.

By no means are they necessarily easy kills, but just pointing out hardpoints aren't everything.

i.e. If you are a stalker pilot, keep in mind that you are more vulnerable to being out-maneuvered by pretty much anything but anything unlucky enough to face you head on is gonna have a real hard time

So I am thinking back to the dozens of times I have pointed out that what a mech looks like on paper or the Mechlab does not always show how it will perform in the match. Arms and other factors are a big deal.

[SpiralRazor]

Pugastrius, on 18 December 2012 - 12:43 PM, said:

O.k. so there are really only 2 Stalker Variants:

Stalker-5S: Hard Points:


Most Comparable Awesome:
Awesome 8-R: Hard Points:


So you give up 3.5 Energy Slots and an AMS... really?
This is balanced?


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Option 2:

Stalker-5S: Hard Points:


Most Comparable Awesome (Still the Awesome 8-R): Hard Points:


So you give up 2.5 Energy and a Missile slot ... really?
Again, how is this is balanced?
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So regardless of which Stalker you pick, you pick up at least 3 hard points. 3... that's an enormous amount of firepower.

What do you get in return for these 3 hard points as an awesome?
Nothing... The 8-R can't even equip a speedy engine.

Note: Since I know it's going to come up... Yes, the 9-M can equip a fast engine, but you get even fewer choices than the 8-R because the Hard Points are in the Center Torso.

New Mechs are not supposed to be upgrades to existing mechs, they are supposed to be equal but different. This is quite simply an outrageous oversight that needs to be corrected before it goes live. It's a direct slap in the face to all Awesome owners, and nobody will ever buy an Awesome again.

Uhhhh.....I reallllly hate to burst your bubble bro, but this is based on BattleTech and in BattlTech some mechs actually ARE direct upgrades to others.

Also, the stalker has 5 tons on the awesome, and as such, fulfills its "Assault" role that much better.

Edited by SpiralRazor, 18 December 2012 - 01:13 PM.

[JudgeDeathCZ]

It WILL be balanced after CW hit the groud and drops will be restricted by tonage+class.
You(you drop/lance leader) will have to decide to drop flea+Stalker or Awesome+commando...
Hell why you must have balanced everything?If you want balance go play Shootmania where you have one weapon with same range doing same dmg and **** of here...

[Shalune]

Pugastrius, on 18 December 2012 - 12:54 PM, said:

Equal, clearly not. I don't even mind that there are "strictly worse" variants... but having an entire line of mechs be strictly worse than another? That's a huge problem, what's the point of even having the Awesomes at this stage... I will wager the popularity of the Awesome goes from "Sketchy" (since it was already considerably worse than the Atlas) to non-existant. It's a huge issue, and you won't see an Awesome on the Battle Field ever again.

Yeahno.

Hardpoints are hardly the only measure of effectiveness. If so the HBK-4J and HBK-4P would be better than almost everything in game. On top of the arm issues everyone else has brought up, body divisions weight heavily on a mech's effectiveness. The Stalker has one of the easiest to hit torso's in the game right now with its arms providing almost no blocking, nor ability to react to aim faster. Also worth noting that after a certain point more hardpoints are useless beyond short range because you will run out of weight or effective heat usage long before you run out of hardpoints.

[SpiralRazor]

Walk, on 18 December 2012 - 01:08 PM, said:

My votes for serious and dumb..


Man, i need to steal that code, there are SO SO many times i could use that response.