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[FrDrake]

They are all pretty similar, I will tell you that my LRMs in my torso slots block my fricking view every time I shoot them. Also the arm slots seem to be well above the cockpit so have the 4 arm lasers might let you shoot over terrain more easily.

[Bors Mistral]

I completely agree that the twist arc on the Stalker is too small.

However, the Stalker model itself also seems very undersized. I am sure I'm not the only one who thinks it should be blown up by 15%-20% or so. At the moment it has a ridiculously compact frontal profile, considering it's a 85ton war-machine.

Mr144, I'm with you on the 'Phract arms.

[ReD3y3]

The large catapult CT is a HUGE advantage not disadvantage.

Because of the huge CT it has VERY small LT RT hitboxes. This is why an XL can be used on it even if it brawls.

The Stalker has HUGE RT LT hitboxes and because of this has to carry a standard engine or it dies in a heart beat.

[Irreverence]

Not bothered at all.

[Mental Hippie]

I honestly like the Stalker limited twist, makes it play very differently than most other mechs. Given anchor turn, if you stand still and spin on the spot you can track most mechs but the fastest lights.

[Lightfoot]

Agreed. It is so fragile as well. I have full armor on mine and as soon as it starts taking hits it loses all it's weapons and then dies in a few seconds. If they keep making worthless assaults MWO will be the All-Atlas-All-the-Time game they feared they would make.

Does anyone else have this happen alot on defeats with the Stalker? Suddenly all your weapons, or most of them are gone, then pffft, the mech is dead. Seems like a light mech almost once it starts taking damage.

[Kristov Kerensky]

Vassago Rain, on 19 December 2012 - 02:33 AM, said:

Jenners come with 6 lasers, or 4 lasers and 2 missiles.
My atlas has...a very heavy gun that doesn't really help much, and the same amount of other guns - at best. I don't feel that's in character with adding 65 tons to my giant robot.

Has your Jenner ever alpha'd another Jenner into little pieces? My Atlas does that, it can even alpha a Medium from the front and a Heavy or Assault from behind. You are doing something very very wrong.

[Vlad Ward]

Lightfoot, on 19 December 2012 - 12:59 PM, said:

Agreed. It is so fragile as well. I have full armor on mine and as soon as it starts taking hits it loses all it's weapons and then dies in a few seconds. If they keep making worthless assaults MWO will be the All-Atlas-All-the-Time game they feared they would make.

Does anyone else have this happen alot on defeats with the Stalker? Suddenly all your weapons, or most of them are gone, then pffft, the mech is dead. Seems like a light mech almost once it starts taking damage.

This might have something to do with the fact that all of the stock variants are woefully underarmored.

Going into the Loadout menu and maxing out the CT armor will give you an extra AC/20 slug's worth of protection on some variants.

On topic, Stalker is the first good Assault they put into the game. Atlas has always had a wimpy loadout for an Assault. Its only real advantages were a mountain of armor and the fact that the Awesome was straight up awful outside of 1-2 niche builds.

Edited by Vlad Ward, 19 December 2012 - 01:10 PM.

[Lightfoot]

@ Vlad Ward,

I said my Stalker has maximum armor. That means full armor, can't add anymore in MechLab. Oh well seems like the fragilest assault I have ever piloted. Even has AMS.

[Noth]

Lightfoot, on 19 December 2012 - 01:13 PM, said:

@ Vlad Ward,

I said my Stalker has maximum armor. That means full armor, can't add anymore in MechLab. Oh well seems like the fragilest assault I have ever piloted. Even has AMS.

My stalker doesn't have that problem. Do you have an XL engine? The side torsos are huge on the Stalker.

[Vlad Ward]

Lightfoot, on 19 December 2012 - 01:13 PM, said:

@ Vlad Ward,

I said my Stalker has maximum armor. That means full armor, can't add anymore in MechLab. Oh well seems like the fragilest assault I have ever piloted. Even has AMS.

Have you piloted an Awesome before?

[AntiCitizenJuan]

Stalker is too strong already. It's not going to get buffed any time in the near future.

[M0rpHeu5]

The Awesome is a lot more manuvrelable(I know i killed this word and others but anyway )than the Stalker in every way. I feel like i'm piloting an atlas when i use the stalker.

Edited by M0rpHeu5, 19 December 2012 - 01:31 PM.

[Skadi]

Khobai, on 18 December 2012 - 10:19 PM, said:

uh its got 10 weapon hardpoints. half of which are arm mounted. so yeah its torso twist should be limited.

Keep in mind it has catapult arms, there limited WITH the torso, so realy your point holds no weight what so ever unless we talk about the vertical FoV

[1ceTr0n]

It sure is a pig compared to my fully upgraded gaussapult, thats for sure. And waht the hell is with the cockpit safety grill on everything inside? I was waiting for this mech badly and now... im kinda dissapointed.

[GT Hawk]

the idea of the Stalker is not to not the armored beast the atles is. Its meant to be a weapons platform (check sarna). Look at all the weapons hard points, if you can load that many weapons, something else got to give. So saying its under armored is incorrect its designed to have more guns then it knows what to do with. The highlander will be similer, ie jumping assault means it needs its wight for jump jets, so something else has to give.

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Stalker

[AntiCitizenJuan]

The thing is already a killing machine thats the size of the Medium Mechs.

Make it bigger. There needs to be penalties for something that can carry so many weapons.

Typical Arguements for Not Nerfing the Stalker

-Torso twist, still isnt as bad as everyone is making it out to be,
-Has no arms, still has an absurd amount of weaponry
-Slow, Not really, considering how much armor it has justifies using an XL

It needs to have a larger profile that would justify its firepower.

[HlynkaCG]

A 104 point alpha strike has to come with some sort of draw-back. Otherwise the only thread on the forum would be OMG STALKER IS OP!!!!!!!111111ELEVENTY!!!!

[Mercules]

Vassago Rain, on 19 December 2012 - 02:33 AM, said:

Jenners come with 6 lasers, or 4 lasers and 2 missiles.
My atlas has...a very heavy gun that doesn't really help much, and the same amount of other guns - at best. I don't feel that's in character with adding 65 tons to my giant robot.

When your Jenner can mount 4 medium lasers, SRM 6, LRM 20, and an AC 20 you might have a point.

[AvatarofWhat]

AntiCitizenJuan, on 19 December 2012 - 01:29 PM, said:

The thing is already a killing machine thats the size of the Medium Mechs.

Make it bigger. There needs to be penalties for something that can carry so many weapons.

Typical Arguements for Not Nerfing the Stalker

-Torso twist, still isnt as bad as everyone is making it out to be,
-Has no arms, still has an absurd amount of weaponry
-Slow, Not really, considering how much armor it has justifies using an XL

It needs to have a larger profile that would justify its firepower.

Are you kidding me? It's torso twisting is horrible and combined with no side-to-side movement on the arms that a pretty big deal. have you even played one? It takes constant maneuvering and good sense to keep a target in sight. And forget about retreating to the side and firing at opponents, it doesnt even have 90 degree twisting! Good luck using an XL on a stalker, the side torsos are huge, not that well armored and generally the first thing to go.

You sir have no idea what your talking about. If they make the stalker model bigger then they need to give it better torso rotation or something.

Edited by AvatarofWhat, 19 December 2012 - 01:37 PM.