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[Kale Hessian]

Based on loadout potential (ie: hardpoints) alone, the 3F, 3H and 4N are all inferior to the 5S.
Are there any quirks that make them actually have any viability? Does the 3F have an incredible turn speed, for instance, or do the non-3H variants have only ten tubes per missile launcher (for instance)?

Basically, ignoring both MC and/or credit cost and stock loadout, are there any 'hidden features' that might justifying one buying a Stalker 3F, 3H or 4N?

[Ghogiel]

Module slots maybe.

My 5m only has 1. perhaps those have more to make them more attractive.

[Kale Hessian]

Sadly, it's not module slots- they're listed as 1 per stalker.

[Sarevos]

Kale Hessian, on 18 December 2012 - 07:23 PM, said:

Based on loadout potential (ie: hardpoints) alone, the 3F, 3H and 4N are all inferior to the 5S.
Are there any quirks that make them actually have any viability? Does the 3F have an incredible turn speed, for instance, or do the non-3H variants have only ten tubes per missile launcher (for instance)?

Basically, ignoring both MC and/or credit cost and stock loadout, are there any 'hidden features' that might justifying one buying a Stalker 3F, 3H or 4N?

3f is just short one ams isnt it? and doesnt come with an XL stock thats the only difference its the "basic package" essentially

[Grissnap]

From another thread others have observed that:

Only the 3H has 20 missile tubes in the arms (If you use an LRM 20 in any mech but the 3H, the missiles will be released in 2 volleys).

Another has said that in the 5M the fifth missile rack is spitting out missiles one at a time.

Would love to hear more about other varients, in particular the 4N.

Edited by Grissnap, 18 December 2012 - 07:40 PM.

[Kale Hessian]

Sarevos, on 18 December 2012 - 07:36 PM, said:

3f is just short one ams isnt it? and doesnt come with an XL stock thats the only difference its the "basic package" essentially

So, still inferior to the 5S, ignoring stock loadout.
I'm looking for quirks which might mean it's not strictly inferior from a builder's perspective- turning circles, if they differ, yaw, height differences, missile ports and the like.

Grissnap, on 18 December 2012 - 07:39 PM, said:

From another thread others have observed that:

Only the 3H has 20 missile tubes in the arms (If you use an LRM 20 in any mech but the 3H, the missiles will be released in 2 volleys).

Another has said that in the 5M the fifth missile rack is spitting out missiles one at a time.

Would love to hear more about other varients, in particular the 4N.

YES! Golden information! Thankyou!

[Lucian Nostra]

on the 3F vs 5S, If money is nothing than no. I bought a 3F over the 5S because I don't think the extra AMS was worth having to buy the already more expensive 5S a replacement engine.. Don't like XLs in my assaults.

Edited by Lucian Nostra, 18 December 2012 - 07:45 PM.

[Fred013]

There is something...

..as owner of a raven 3L that comes with NARC, I can say that the NARC launcher does shoot out missiles one at a time. As the 5S comes with NARC (I think) that launcher should shoot one at a time also.

[Redmond Spiderhammer]

Fred013, on 18 December 2012 - 07:51 PM, said:

There is something...

..as owner of a raven 3L that comes with NARC, I can say that the NARC launcher does shoot out missiles one at a time. As the 5S comes with NARC (I think) that launcher should shoot one at a time also.

It would be awesome to put an LRM 20 into that narc slot!

[Dakkath]

Moving to battlemechs section

[Ascendent]

I was wondering if anyone can confirm that the effect of less tubes on mechs, ie firing missiles in more salvos, actually has an effect on simultaneous missile hit number and AMS destruction of missiles. Or is this an animation and or cycle speed only effect. I ask because I remember a post back in closed beta stating it was an animation only effect. I could no longer find the thread and am currently unsure of its validity. I would really appreciate any input anyone has. Update: created a thread to address this question. If you are looking for info or having any you would like to contribute please see following post: http://mwomercs.com/...46#entry1636846

Edited by Ascendent, 24 December 2012 - 12:26 AM.

[FerrolupisXIII]

Redmond Spiderhammer, on 18 December 2012 - 08:11 PM, said:

It would be awesome to put an LRM 20 into that narc slot!

ive done this. its hilarious.

Pretty much like everyone has said. 3f is short an AMS, from a pure hardpoint standpoint thats inferior.

5m has a NARC slot, not sure if it single fires as i haven't tried yet.

i dont own the 3h but if it is true that it has 20 tube arms, thats a slight buff to what has the worst hardpoints of any of the stalkers.

[Artifex 28]

That NARC slot on 5M shoots singles. It's actually good by "suppressing targets", since they keep having the "incoming missile warning" for ages.

3F was my first one, now I got the basic unlocked there. 6x LL or 4x PPC for the win!

5M I used to brawl with (5x SRM6 with Artemis + 3x ML) and now for the sake of testing, tried 4x LRM15 + 1x LRM10 - with Artemis. Naturally Tag there, 2 ML too. Fun, if you got someone to babysit you. STD215 is slow.

Last unlock going to be the 5S naturally. The most epic one. And most expensive. Comes with useless XL engine, requires double sink fitting. STD285 or 300 are the way to go with Stalkers.

Edited by Artifex 28, 19 December 2012 - 02:28 AM.

[Jaded Jasper]

The 255 XL engine can be handy for a Hunchback, Centurion, or the 4 ballistic Cataphract.

[Stingz]

FerrolupisXIII, on 18 December 2012 - 10:52 PM, said:

5m has a NARC slot, not sure if it single fires as i haven't tried yet.

The Raven also has a NARC slot, one shot a second. Really only useful for keeping the pressure on the opponent.

[Ghogiel]

FerrolupisXIII, on 18 December 2012 - 10:52 PM, said:

5m has a NARC slot, not sure if it single fires as i haven't tried yet.

I have a 5M laden with SRMs. It does a spew missiles for up a 2 seconds ish while the missiles are pumped through the narc slot.

I like it.

[Gaulwa]

Stingz, on 19 December 2012 - 04:50 AM, said:

The Raven also has a NARC slot, one shot a second. Really only useful for keeping the pressure on the opponent.

Yes, but in the 5M case, he also have 6 tubes for SRM. So you can actually use that torso for dual Artemis SRM6, or some SSRM.

[GH0ST1E]

It can be useful in draining AMS ammo quicker.

[Volts]

Does the single missile fire via narc slot mean that ams has time to shoot down all incoming missiles?

[GH0ST1E]

Yes That as well, but if you use an LRM-5. You could also use it for the SRM-gun. That's fun on the raven