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[ball0fire]

lol at the kid assumptions,

im sorry i earn more money than you folks do , perhaps you should look into a new line of employment?.

as for the poll, its ********, cos i ticked yes, but you can already have more than 1 paint per mech infact i used 3 colours on mine and they havnt dissapeared after a month or so of using it. some ppl in here seem to think its pay for paint, use it once and its gone??!!

anyhoo the MWO communitiy is full of ******* and elitist ****** and back in closed beta i deemd i wouldnt come back here, i broke my own rule and this is the **** that happens.

bye

[King Arthur IV]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 04 January 2013 - 10:07 PM, said:

Yeah but think of it like this:
When you were a kid and had access to mommy's money did you really care about how much stuff cost? Its not till you move out on your own and have a car payment, rent, utilities, etc that you realize income is finite. People who havent done that yet, just vant get the message. They havent gotten there yet.

yeh i guess its something we all go through in life and we cant be too harsh on them or try too hard to explain it.

meanwhile in the real world we can have a decent discussion.

[King Arthur IV]

ball0fire, on 04 January 2013 - 10:27 PM, said:

as for the poll, its ********, cos i ticked yes, but you can already have more than 1 paint per mech infact i used 3 colours on mine and they havnt dissapeared after a month or so of using it. some ppl in here seem to think its pay for paint, use it once and its gone??!!

bye

oh nooooo thats what you think everyone in here is thinking?!?!?! lol that is totally not what anyone is thinking or saying. i dont even know how to explain to you in short what we are all getting except you.

its ok just move on

bye bye

Edited by King Arthur IV, 04 January 2013 - 10:48 PM.

[PANZERBUNNY]

ball0fire, on 04 January 2013 - 10:27 PM, said:

lol at the kid assumptions,

im sorry i earn more money than you folks do , perhaps you should look into a new line of employment?.

as for the poll, its ********, cos i ticked yes, but you can already have more than 1 paint per mech infact i used 3 colours on mine and they havnt dissapeared after a month or so of using it. some ppl in here seem to think its pay for paint, use it once and its gone??!!

anyhoo the MWO communitiy is full of ******* and elitist ****** and back in closed beta i deemd i wouldnt come back here, i broke my own rule and this is the **** that happens.

bye

So because you make more money, PGI should keep a terrible borderline extortion mechanic for paying MC for colour and camo you lose if you want to change how your mech looks or experiment?

It's a TERRIBLE business practice. Just because you have no respect for your finances and throw it at said terrible business practices, doesn't mean other people are as ignorant.

What happens when we get a galactic map with planets that have certain environment maps and not others?

Am I STUCK playing with my Desert Camo on a Winter world or a Winter camo on a jungle planet?

Once can only hope they are planning on milking the idiots who buy into the test system, only to turn around and change it later on.

Anyone arguing that the current way to buy camo & colour is "good" doesn't care about this game.

PGI will make more money implementing a system where we can freely buy Camo & colour without a sour "just been *****" taste in our mouth.

Sell the colour in sets.

Release more camo schemes once you see the amount of purchases drastically increase.


Again, someone using what they make as a reason to "back" how it currently is.....that's priceless.

I have some snake oil here to sell you if you're interested.

Fools and their money and all that jazz.

Edited by PANZERBUNNY, 04 January 2013 - 11:21 PM.

[King Arthur IV]

PANZERBUNNY, on 04 January 2013 - 11:19 PM, said:

So because you make more money, PGI should keep a terrible borderline extortion mechanic for paying MC for colour and camo you lose if you want to change how your mech looks or experiment?

It's a TERRIBLE business practice. Just because you have no respect for your finances and throw it at said terrible business practices, doesn't mean other people are as ignorant.

What happens when we get a galactic map with planets that have certain environment maps and not others?

Am I STUCK playing with my Desert Camo on a Winter world or a Winter camo on a jungle planet?

Once can only hope they are planning on milking the idiots who buy into the test system, only to turn around and change it later on.

Anyone arguing that the current way to buy camo & colour is "good" doesn't care about this game.

PGI will make more money implementing a system where we can freely buy Camo & colour without a sour "just been *****" taste in our mouth.

Sell the colour in sets.

Release more camo schemes once you see the amount of purchases drastically increase.


Again, someone using what they make as a reason to "back" how it currently is.....that's priceless.

I have some snake oil here to sell you if you're interested.

Fools and their money and all that jazz.

why man, why man!!! why do you even bother with that guy lol.

did you even read the part where he thought everyone thinks they will lose their paints after a day or something??

dont waste your time, chill out and have a beer with me.

[Chunkylad]

King Arthur IV, on 04 January 2013 - 10:02 PM, said:

people like us, understand that it could make even more money if they had paints you could keep because i wont spend to repaint if i lose my first one.


ty my dear friend

I would like to speak out about a system like Planetside 2's camo system. They have one time use camo and they have reusable camo, the reusable camo costs 10x more, but as in the name it has infinite uses, the 1x use is for people who know what they want and only want it for one thing. Effective for everyone who wants to spend real money.

Painting system in that differs slightly from the painting system in MWO, but the same approach could be taken with camo and colors.

Edited by Chunkylad, 04 January 2013 - 11:26 PM.

[PANZERBUNNY]

King Arthur IV, on 04 January 2013 - 11:23 PM, said:

why man, why man!!! why do you even bother with that guy lol.

did you even read the part where he thought everyone thinks they will lose their paints after a day or something??

dont waste your time, chill out and have a beer with me.

You can lose your paints in 30 seconds if you aren't familiar with the system they have in place and you're done. I usually don't advocate ignorance as an excuse, but since this game has virtually NO guide whatsoever, new players can fall victim to this extortion. I think most people are shocked they aren't saved for later use.

I am so non compliant with this current system, as most people should be. It takes me a lot to click over into "crusade their bu tt into the dirt mode", but this is one of those things. Not that I really matter, but whatever. It helps me sleep at night.

Go out of your way to get the PC Gamer Camo.

Use the basic colours and only pay c-bills. Hopefully PIG will eventually come around.

What is that? I can't paint my mech for the winter maps without paying MC and I lose that purchase if I want to experiment with a woddland camo? !haha! HILARIOUS! (if it wasn't so sad)


I mean, they could increase their Premium purchases drastically if they added a colour package OR a discount on camp & paints while the premium is active. (If they were permanent, this would be popular)

You'd have large spikes of Premium purchases, coupled with large spikes of camo & colour purchases. They get large doses of cash and can even take a lovely graph or spreadsheet for the people that want to see such things and go "SEE! Our game is on the upswing! We are selling premiums more than ever and people actually want to use our Colour system!"

You could probably even track these spikes with spikes of new players enter the game and predict new flows of income into the game.

Anyway, I'm done giving them ideas. It's like trying to argue g ay marriage with Islamic Terrorists.

Edited by PANZERBUNNY, 04 January 2013 - 11:35 PM.

[King Arthur IV]

Chunkylad, on 04 January 2013 - 11:25 PM, said:

I would like to speak out about a system like Planetside 2's camo system. They have one time use camo and they have reusable camo, the reusable camo costs 10x more, but as in the name it has infinite uses, the 1x use is for people who know what they want and only want it for one thing. Effective for everyone who wants to spend real money.

Painting system in that differs slightly from the painting system in MWO, but the same approach could be taken with camo and colors.

im half way with you.

i dont see why paint needs to cost more if its reusable because some people want to own all kinds of paint, meaning if igp kept pumping out nice colors; certain people will keep buying (providing cost is low)

i want to get in to this more but i have a baby shower to go to. sry ttyl

[King Arthur IV]

PANZERBUNNY, on 04 January 2013 - 11:29 PM, said:

You can lose your paints in 30 seconds if you aren't familiar with the system they have in place and you're done. I usually don't advocate ignorance as an excuse, but since this game has virtually NO guide whatsoever, new players can fall victim to this extortion. I think most people are shocked they aren't saved for later use.

I am so non compliant with this current system, as most people should be. It takes me a lot to click over into "crusade their bu tt into the dirt mode", but this is one of those things. Not that I really matter, but whatever. It helps me sleep at night.

Go out of your way to get the PC Gamer Camo.

Use the basic colours and only pay c-bills. Hopefully PIG will eventually come around.

What is that? I can't paint my mech for the winter maps without paying MC and I lose that purchase if I want to experiment with a woddland camo? !haha! HILARIOUS! (if it wasn't so sad)


I mean, they could increase their Premium purchases drastically if they added a colour package OR a discount on camp & paints while the premium is active. (If they were permanent, this would be popular)

You'd have large spikes of Premium purchases, coupled with large spikes of camo & colour purchases. They get large doses of cash and can even take a lovely graph or spreadsheet for the people that want to see such things and go "SEE! Our game is on the upswing! We are selling premiums more than ever and people actually want to use our Colour system!"

You could probably even track these spikes with spikes of new players enter the game and predict new flows of income into the game.

Anyway, I'm done giving them ideas. It's like trying to argue g ay marriage with Islamic Terrorists.

your a much better person then i am.

heres to you. Chingk*

Edited by King Arthur IV, 05 January 2013 - 08:01 AM.

[Chunkylad]

King Arthur IV, on 04 January 2013 - 11:32 PM, said:

im half way with you.

i dont see why paint needs to cost more if its reusable because some people want to own all kinds of paint, meaning if igp kept pumping out nice colors; certain people will keep buying (providing cost is low)

i want to get in to this more but i have a baby shower to go to. sry ttyl

I agree with you there, paint is much different from the camo options offered in PS2, but some lessons and ideas can be pulled to improve the system.

[PANZERBUNNY]

I mean, we don't even have decals or unit symbols yet.

Imagine when they're also not permanent and cost 2k MC.

They will either milk this system shamelessly or HOPEFULLY come around.

[Liquidx]

Mikhalio, on 04 January 2013 - 03:49 PM, said:

From an economic model, this thread nails the point on why F2P may sound like a good idea, but in reality you end up killing your ecosystem of players through excessive rent seeking (aka. nickle and diming them).

This being said, they should not ever change from this model once the product is finished because it allows them to extract every last drop of revenue from the player base.

It actually has the opposite effect.
If a player feels he is being taken advantage of, he is far less likely to make a second purchase, let alone a first. This is the case we have currently.

To exaggerate the current system, it would be as if when you buy a new mech, it automatically removes one of your older existing mechs. How many mechs would you buy if you knew that with each one you bought, you would lose one (assuming you have a finite number of mechbays that cannot be increased)?

The answer is.. enough to fill your mech bays and then you would be very careful and picky with future purchases (which is exactly what is happening).

A model that actually encourages player spending would benefit both sides in this debate without question.

ball0fire, on 04 January 2013 - 10:27 PM, said:

lol at the kid assumptions,

im sorry i earn more money than you folks do , perhaps you should look into a new line of employment?.

It's not about how much money one makes - it's about not being a dumb **** and spending your money wisely.

ball0fire, on 04 January 2013 - 10:27 PM, said:

as for the poll, its ********, cos i ticked yes, but you can already have more than 1 paint per mech infact i used 3 colours on mine and they havnt dissapeared after a month or so of using it. some ppl in here seem to think its pay for paint, use it once and its gone??!!

wow.. you're thick.
Go to one of your painted mechs. change the paint scheme (buy a new color) - notice how the old colors you bought you have to buy again? Hell, lets say you pick three colors: blue, white, and black. You purchase those and are happy with your purchase, but a week later, you want to change the scheme a bit to be white black and blue. Guess you're just going to have to buy all three colors again - even though they're the same colors you purchased last week.

To put this into a perspective you may understand, lets say you're in a clan/group/merc unit/whatever. You choose to paint your mech in the unit colors, but through some consequences, you are removed from the unit (lets be realistic and say most of the players quit playing and the unit folds) - now you join a new unit - but they don't have the same color scheme. Are you A) more likely to buy the new colors knowing you will lose the colors you bought previously, or less likely to spend the money because who knows how long this new unit will stick around?

If you're willing to just throw your money here, there and everywhere repeatedly without thought, then let me know and I'll give you a paypal account you can start sending a few bucks a week to for the rest of your life.

[Honiara]

Bump as requested,

I voted Yes because i would, i'm spnding more more MC of paint that if i change i loose, I want paint that once purchased for a Mech or Chassis i can keep it and change it in and out as much as i like for c-bills

[Roadbuster]

Shut up and take my money!

But seriously. I did vote with yes, but if I bought a pattern I'd want to keep it for the whole mech class.
For example, buying urban camo for a Centurion should unlock this pattern for every Centurion.

Colors bought with MC should be unlocked for all mechs.

Application should cost CB and going back to standard camo and color should cost a fixed ammount of CB.

MC should unlock things, additional CB for application.

EDIT:
Or they lower MC cost for patterns and colors to 50MC per pattern and 10MC per color.
Current prices are too high for something you can't use again.

Edited by Roadbuster, 05 January 2013 - 01:34 AM.

[King Arthur IV]

Chunkylad, on 04 January 2013 - 11:56 PM, said:

I agree with you there, paint is much different from the camo options offered in PS2, but some lessons and ideas can be pulled to improve the system.

its always good to learn from others, kind of like history.

PANZERBUNNY, on 05 January 2013 - 12:05 AM, said:

I mean, we don't even have decals or unit symbols yet.

Imagine when they're also not permanent and cost 2k MC.

They will either milk this system shamelessly or HOPEFULLY come around.

i dont even want to know.

you can currently spend a million dollars on this game and still end up with nothing to show for because you repurchased over and over again.

Honiara, on 05 January 2013 - 01:18 AM, said:

Bump as requested,

I voted Yes because i would, i'm spnding more more MC of paint that if i change i loose, I want paint that once purchased for a Mech or Chassis i can keep it and change it in and out as much as i like for c-bills

hallelujah brother/sister!!
sexy babump babump back to you!!

Roadbuster, on 05 January 2013 - 01:28 AM, said:

Shut up and take my money!

But seriously. I did vote with yes, but if I bought a pattern I'd want to keep it for the whole mech class.
For example, buying urban camo for a Centurion should unlock this pattern for every Centurion.

Colors bought with MC should be unlocked for all mechs.

Application should cost CB and going back to standard camo and color should cost a fixed ammount of CB.

MC should unlock things, additional CB for application.

EDIT:
Or they lower MC cost for patterns and colors to 50MC per pattern and 10MC per color.
Current prices are too high for something you can't use again.

this would be great but it would also be a huge stretch for pgi to do.
one step at a time, op's current plan is simple and benefits both sides drastically without robbing from one another.

[PANZERBUNNY]

It was said that during Community Warfare, fighting for certain factions and gaining loyalty points would "unlock" access to certain insignia and schemes, but I'm starting to think that you unlock the honour of spending a crazy amount of MC to use them.

Grind your way up. Pay the MC for temporary Decals, colour and camo.

hmmm.

[King Arthur IV]

Liquidx, on 05 January 2013 - 12:15 AM, said:

It actually has the opposite effect.
If a player feels he is being taken advantage of, he is far less likely to make a second purchase, let alone a first. This is the case we have currently.

To exaggerate the current system, it would be as if when you buy a new mech, it automatically removes one of your older existing mechs. How many mechs would you buy if you knew that with each one you bought, you would lose one (assuming you have a finite number of mechbays that cannot be increased)?

The answer is.. enough to fill your mech bays and then you would be very careful and picky with future purchases (which is exactly what is happening).

A model that actually encourages player spending would benefit both sides in this debate without question.




It's not about how much money one makes - it's about not being a dumb **** and spending your money wisely.


wow.. you're thick.
Go to one of your painted mechs. change the paint scheme (buy a new color) - notice how the old colors you bought you have to buy again? Hell, lets say you pick three colors: blue, white, and black. You purchase those and are happy with your purchase, but a week later, you want to change the scheme a bit to be white black and blue. Guess you're just going to have to buy all three colors again - even though they're the same colors you purchased last week.

To put this into a perspective you may understand, lets say you're in a clan/group/merc unit/whatever. You choose to paint your mech in the unit colors, but through some consequences, you are removed from the unit (lets be realistic and say most of the players quit playing and the unit folds) - now you join a new unit - but they don't have the same color scheme. Are you A) more likely to buy the new colors knowing you will lose the colors you bought previously, or less likely to spend the money because who knows how long this new unit will stick around?

If you're willing to just throw your money here, there and everywhere repeatedly without thought, then let me know and I'll give you a paypal account you can start sending a few bucks a week to for the rest of your life.

this post make me cry a little some people understand me so well and even help me fight the good fight

btw dont bother with that flamingballs guy..... iv tried and others have also tried.
thick implies something is there to be reasoned with, this one is void.

[Wizard Steve]

Yet another pointless poll.

Q. Would you support a change that gives you more than you have now for no additional outlay?
A. Errr.....

[JohnnyC]

I voted "no" because I would like to be able to buy paint colors and then use them on any mech I want. The only example I see of "doing it right" is the PC Gamer skin colors... except they screwed those up by making them off versions of the original colors so they no longer look like PC Gamer colors, but at least you can use them on multiple mechs and can use the colors at will.

PC Gamer colors are Cherry Red, White, and Black... They wanted to charge money for those three colors so they change the PC Gamer colors to Maroon, gray, and dark gray... which was, again, weaksauce.

[o0Marduk0o]

Wizard Steve, on 05 January 2013 - 08:35 AM, said:

Yet another pointless poll.

Q. Would you support a change that gives you more than you have now for no additional outlay?
A. Errr.....

It's pointless as a poll sure and the general idea is not new but PGI should take a close look at it. It's a win-win situation for both sides. Customers buy more different paintjobs for each mechs, because they can keep them and PGI earns more money that way.