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[Sug]

Sug, on 05 January 2013 - 09:21 AM, said:

I could see permanently owning the Camo pattern, cause those are like skins. But paying for paint each time you repaint is fine.

King Arthur IV, on 05 January 2013 - 11:25 AM, said:

share your money with me!!!!

I found a color scheme I liked (for free using the preview), I applied to to all my mechs once. Haven't changed it. If for some reason I join a unit with a different scheme, i'll pay to change it.

If you're changing your paint all the time or maybe cause you feel "blue" one day then that's your issue. Don't be like people that have 100 pairs of shoes and are constantly complaining about how expensive shoes are.

Edited by Sug, 05 January 2013 - 01:23 PM.

[Liquidx]

I think something that has perhaps been overlooked in this conversation is the fact that not only are the paints temporary, but also per mech.

So while it may only cost ~$2 to completely change the color scheme of your mech (seems reasonable) - the ownership of the colors is temporary (I find this unreasonable) - but also, if you own 10 mechs, chances are you want to keep them all in a similar paint scheme - so your $2/paint job can easily balloon into a $20 cost for your entire garage.

Now again, $20 to paint your entire garage of mechs doesn't seem so bad - the bad part is that changing it, or even changing the location of the same colors will cost you another $20.

At that price, I'm more inclined to not spend a single dollar than I am to spend $2, or $20.

And again, considering you as a player can't even see your own scheme - that seems like an awful lot of money to drop on what amounts to a completely temporary vanity item.

[Jetfire]

Sug, on 05 January 2013 - 01:23 PM, said:

I found a color scheme I liked (for free using the preview), I applied to to all my mechs once. Haven't changed it. If for some reason I join a unit with a different scheme, i'll pay to change it.

If you're changing your paint all the time or maybe cause you feel "blue" one day then that's your issue. Don't be like people that have 100 pairs of shoes and are constantly complaining about how expensive shoes are.

These are not actual things though, its digital content. Painting all my mechs would cost $150-200 and if I want to change from my personal designs to say group colors in 8 mans... that's a constant $5-10 drop every time. That's just straight up silly. I will spend $100 on paint, if it unlocks all patterns and colors available, but I won't spend $5-10 per mech per spray.

IE the PC Gamer Mag unlocked 3 colors and a pattern with an $8 magazine. I would easily buy many sets of 3 colors and a pattern unlock for $8-10 each. Just let me respray as much as I want, publish new sets and I will keep giving you money.

Edited by Jetfire, 05 January 2013 - 03:16 PM.

[King Arthur IV]

Sug, on 05 January 2013 - 01:23 PM, said:

I found a color scheme I liked (for free using the preview), I applied to to all my mechs once. Haven't changed it. If for some reason I join a unit with a different scheme, i'll pay to change it.

If you're changing your paint all the time or maybe cause you feel "blue" one day then that's your issue. Don't be like people that have 100 pairs of shoes and are constantly complaining about how expensive shoes are.

i want 2 colors all blue and all white for a few mechs but i cant right now.

Liquidx, on 05 January 2013 - 03:00 PM, said:

I think something that has perhaps been overlooked in this conversation is the fact that not only are the paints temporary, but also per mech.

So while it may only cost ~$2 to completely change the color scheme of your mech (seems reasonable) - the ownership of the colors is temporary (I find this unreasonable) - but also, if you own 10 mechs, chances are you want to keep them all in a similar paint scheme - so your $2/paint job can easily balloon into a $20 cost for your entire garage.

Now again, $20 to paint your entire garage of mechs doesn't seem so bad - the bad part is that changing it, or even changing the location of the same colors will cost you another $20.

At that price, I'm more inclined to not spend a single dollar than I am to spend $2, or $20.

And again, considering you as a player can't even see your own scheme - that seems like an awful lot of money to drop on what amounts to a completely temporary vanity item.

yep!! i want to play dresss up and switch between color schemes on my mechs. i would spend money for my multiple schemes if i could keep them.

Jetfire, on 05 January 2013 - 03:09 PM, said:

These are not actual things though, its digital content. Painting all my mechs would cost $150-200 and if I want to change from my personal designs to say group colors in 8 mans... that's a constant $5-10 drop every time. That's just straight up silly. I will spend $100 on paint, if it unlocks all patterns and colors available, but I won't spend $5-10 per mech per spray.

IE the PC Gamer Mag unlocked 3 colors and a pattern with an $8 magazine. I would easily buy many sets of 3 colors and a pattern unlock for $8-10 each. Just let me respray as much as I want, publish new sets and I will keep giving you money.

$1million spent on one mech would still only grant you a paint scheme value of ~$3 for that mech...... sad days.

[DirePhoenix]

King Arthur IV, on 05 January 2013 - 11:25 AM, said:

i think we are getting ahead of ourselves by trying to create a new system for igp.

I think the fact that pretty much everyone and their mother can come up with a better plan that is arguably more profitable in the long run (primarily by having a system that does not discourage future or multiple purchases) should say something.

It's like whoever thought this model up drank from the same punch bowl of Kool-Aid that the /fail execs at BioWare drank when they came up with SWtOR's F2P plan.

[King Arthur IV]

DirePhoenix, on 05 January 2013 - 10:41 PM, said:

I think the fact that pretty much everyone and their mother can come up with a better plan that is arguably more profitable in the long run (primarily by having a system that does not discourage future or multiple purchases) should say something.

It's like whoever thought this model up drank from the same punch bowl of Kool-Aid that the /fail execs at BioWare drank when they came up with SWtOR's F2P plan.

baby steps bro! igp needs to first acknowledged the current plan sucks because of no reuse.

cheers for the bump.

[Felix]

If I could keep and swap out paint jobs, I would consider buying them, but as it stands, not a single MC will be wasted on paint jobs.

[King Arthur IV]

Felix, on 05 January 2013 - 10:59 PM, said:

If I could keep and swap out paint jobs, I would consider buying them, but as it stands, not a single MC will be wasted on paint jobs.

this sounds like a empty threat but it holds true with so many players.

if it looks/is appealing it will entice more people to spend.

Edited by King Arthur IV, 05 January 2013 - 11:08 PM.

[Felix]

King Arthur IV, on 05 January 2013 - 11:08 PM, said:

this sounds like a empty threat but it holds true with so many players.

if it looks/is appealing it will entice more people to spend.

Not really an empty threat, lets look at Planetside 2 for a moment

They offer single use camo sales and unlimited use, unlimited use is (if I recall) 4 times the price of the single use. Over there I have 4 sets of unlimited use camo because I like to change them out when I get tired of one look, here I would have to pay each time? *** dat xD

[King Arthur IV]

Felix, on 05 January 2013 - 11:10 PM, said:

Not really an empty threat, lets look at Planetside 2 for a moment

They offer single use camo sales and unlimited use, unlimited use is (if I recall) 4 times the price of the single use. Over there I have 4 sets of unlimited use camo because I like to change them out when I get tired of one look, here I would have to pay each time? *** dat xD

i know its not

ty for your input and keep spreading the word

[Ricama]

I don't care if I have to unlock colours for each mech (not chassis, not variant, mech) I like to tinker and I don't like wasting money, so I look at it in the builder, then I don't buy anything because I can't change it and then go back without wasting money. I'm waiting for the colour pallet to expand enough to build one paint scheme, I'm going to put it on one mech and that's probably it for buying paintjobs unless it becomes unlockable.

[King Arthur IV]

Ricama, on 06 January 2013 - 01:54 AM, said:

I don't care if I have to unlock colours for each mech (not chassis, not variant, mech) I like to tinker and I don't like wasting money, so I look at it in the builder, then I don't buy anything because I can't change it and then go back without wasting money. I'm waiting for the colour pallet to expand enough to build one paint scheme, I'm going to put it on one mech and that's probably it for buying paintjobs unless it becomes unlockable.

fair enough, there will always be people like you. igp will make basically no money if every consumer was like you but not everyone is.

i suspect there is a huge group of people that like to play/have options and are not fussed to spend money because to them its not a waste if they have fun messing around with colors/camo. that being said, they are still conscious consumers who will spend wisely and not just throw money away if the deal is obviously not good.

Edited by King Arthur IV, 06 January 2013 - 04:46 AM.

[PANZERBUNNY]

I think most of us can agree that spending our hard earned greenbacks or multi coloured Canadian Unicorn backs on hoo kers, blow and a penicillin shot is a better financial decision than camo & colour the way it is.

[King Arthur IV]

bumping like a boss

[Roadbuster]

How about an ability to create your own color+pattern style and buy that as a packet?

For example you create a camo for your mercenary group.
You pick the pattern and the colors you want, save and buy that style with MC and can apply it to every mech you want for a fixed ammount of CB.

Regarding microtransactions, the prices for these cosmetic changes are too high to make people buy them or switch colors.
Players who only use 1-2 mechs might get a custom paint, but won't change them often. That will get PGI 1-2 sales.
Players who use alot of mechs and like to switch or get new ones as they come out, won't buy custom colors for every mech. So, no sales for PGI.

The idea of microtransactions is to offer stuff for little ammounts of money and get people to buy lots of it because "it's cheap".
A new color and pattern for a mech at the half price of a new mech is too expensive.

PGI should either lower MC cost for colors and patterns significally, or let players buy and keep the stuff they buy for the current or even a bit higher MC cost.

Edited by Roadbuster, 08 January 2013 - 01:11 AM.

[Bluesummers]

bump

[King Arthur IV]

Roadbuster, on 08 January 2013 - 01:07 AM, said:

How about an ability to create your own color+pattern style and buy that as a packet?

For example you create a camo for your mercenary group.
You pick the pattern and the colors you want, save and buy that style with MC and can apply it to every mech you want for a fixed ammount of CB.

Regarding microtransactions, the prices for these cosmetic changes are too high to make people buy them or switch colors.
Players who only use 1-2 mechs might get a custom paint, but won't change them often. That will get PGI 1-2 sales.
Players who use alot of mechs and like to switch or get new ones as they come out, won't buy custom colors for every mech. So, no sales for PGI.

The idea of microtransactions is to offer stuff for little ammounts of money and get people to buy lots of it because "it's cheap".
A new color and pattern for a mech at the half price of a new mech is too expensive.

PGI should either lower MC cost for colors and patterns significally, or let players buy and keep the stuff they buy for the current or even a bit higher MC cost.

lets start small
this games micro transactions made for bill gates.

lets get to 400 up votes !!!!!!!! 70 to go

[Roland]

Honestly, if all paint and camo worked like the PC Gamer stuff, I might buy it.

As it stands, the PC gamer stuff is exactly how it should work.. I can just use those colors and do whatever I want with them on any mech.

I'd pay some money for a certain pallet of colors, that I could then use on whatever I wanted, whenever I wanted.

But as the system exists today, paying just to put it on a mech, every single time? Screw that noise.

[Justin Xang Allard]

At the current state, I will purchase paint for mechs. Until there is more variation, unit logos and such, more patterns, I will stay away from patterns.

[Zeztorin]

Bump