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[HRR Insanity]

There is no benefit to having ELO/MM rankings public. Keep that information internal for MM use only. Public ELO leads to bad behavior.

When/if Merc units get implemented, there should be Merc Unit ratings that are in letter form based off Merc vs. Merc and Merc vs. House fights.

Just an opinion.

Insanity

[One Medic Army]

I'll agree to this, or you could have it be like the stats are now, only viewable by the person they're for.

[Alaric the Arcane]

People who want to keep stats/ratings/etc. hidden are just afraid that the general public will be able to see how bad they really are, even though they talk **** on the forums constantly.

[The Cheese]

I want the whole world to see how bad I am. Make the rating public.

[siLve00]

Alaric the Arcane, on 21 December 2012 - 08:30 PM, said:

People who want to keep stats/ratings/etc. hidden are just afraid that the general public will be able to see how bad they really are, even though they talk **** on the forums constantly.

or just because the stats right now showing nothing ?
the only stat right now.. what realy matters are avg xp.. and those can be blown of the roof if you got bonus and join teams....


iam for public stats... but with wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy more stats. ( points at WoT )

[Alaric the Arcane]

siLve00, on 21 December 2012 - 08:35 PM, said:

or just because the stats right now showing nothing ?
the only stat right now.. what realy matters are avg xp.. and those can be blown of the roof if you got bonus and join teams....


iam for public stats... but with wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy more stats. ( points at WoT )

They are working on including more stats (which will be public), as well as a rating system (Elo). There's no reason for this information to not be public. Unless of course you talk a load of **** on the forums and when these stats hit you'll be discovered as a baddy.

[Lagfest]

I agree with the OP

Personal stats are fine, but make them something you have to look up. Having just the names of players in a match is enough.

Alaric strikes me as one of those FPS kids who brag about their prestige ranking like its a Badge of honor.

And before you bag on me, yes I suck. So get your shots in.

[Cerlin]

I also think this would be good. I dont mind stats being public but keep ELO away from users would make it harder to game it. I have played Eve online where everything (every loss and kill) is public and it is a huge deterrent to many people playing the games pvp.

Edited by Cerlin, 21 December 2012 - 08:57 PM.

[One Medic Army]

Alaric the Arcane, on 21 December 2012 - 08:38 PM, said:

They are working on including more stats (which will be public), as well as a rating system (Elo). There's no reason for this information to not be public. Unless of course you talk a load of **** on the forums and when these stats hit you'll be discovered as a baddy.

I've shared my actual stats plenty, if you care to look.
I have an ~amazing~ 3.3ish KDR.

I just don't like the elitism that comes with everyone looking at your stats, and immediately thinking they know everything about how you play, or looking at someone's stats and deciding to let them into a Merc Corp or not.
There's plenty of people on these forums I'd wager with massively inflated stats from disconnecting before death, or sync-dropping 8mans. I'd rather not give them any more incentive to do such.

[Lucian Nostra]

I have to agree any game that makes stats available tends to degrade; weather it be gear score in WoW, K/D in shooters or whatever.

Even WoT that SiLve00 pointed to tends to degrade into this behavior with W/L or something I always see shouting of "I bet your one of those 47%'ers" on the forum when someone complains (I haven't played WoT in a while but I read the forums at times so Im assuming it's W/L)

Bad enough MW:O people bash the PUG population already...

[siLve00]

Lucian Nostra, on 21 December 2012 - 09:00 PM, said:

I have to agree any game that makes stats available tends to degrade; weather it be gear score in WoW, K/D in shooters or whatever.

Even WoT that SiLve00 pointed to tends to degrade into this behavior with W/L or something I always see shouting of "I bet your one of those 47%'ers" on the forum when someone complains (I haven't played WoT in a while but I read the forums at times so Im assuming it's W/L)

Bad enough MW:O people bash the PUG population already...

yeah the stats bashing were terrible... i didnt care with 69% winratio and effiency above 2k but still... it was awefull.
still... as some1 who were a scout for new ppl.. it was realy nice and you didnt waste to much time to talk to bad ppl ( dont get me wrong.. bad were 98% of the WoT players to us .. we just did recruit very good ppl )

just check whats alaric the a. is writting
still i see more pro as contra with public stats... maybe if you invite ppl to your friendlist they can see your stats.. that would work for all ?

or an option... like : all / no1 / friendlist

Edited by siLve00, 21 December 2012 - 09:11 PM.

[Lucian Nostra]

Dunno I still see K/D epeen stroking far to much in this game to really make me think making it public is a good idea. My k/d is .86. I drive Cicada's mostly (didn't start playing open beta till a week ago).. I don't get many kills. I get an average 521 xp a match though.. do you think the bulk of the people would look past .86?

Edited by Lucian Nostra, 21 December 2012 - 09:15 PM.

[siLve00]

Lucian Nostra, on 21 December 2012 - 09:15 PM, said:

Dunno I still see K/D epeen stroking far to much in this game to really make me think making it public is a good idea. My k/d is .86. I drive Cicada's mostly (didn't start playing open beta till a week ago).. I don't get many kills. I get an average 521 xp a match though.. do you think the bulk of the people would look past .86?

no they wouldnt...
because of that it makes only sense they would add more stats ( like they will do.. Oo )

1 question.. you get xp bonus for founder / premium and this is added to the avg xp ( how much is founder xp bonus / premium bonus ? )

[The Cheese]

The reality is that our ELO metric will probably be hidden even from ourselves. We might get a viewable rating of sorts, but it won't literally be the number that the system uses for matchmaking.

[Thirdstar]

Alaric the Arcane, on 21 December 2012 - 08:38 PM, said:

baddy.

Anyone who uses the word Baddy in a non-ironic way betrays their lack of maturity. But hey, this is the internet, so who am I kidding. E-peen AHOY!!!! Videogame cred FOREVAH!!!

I should probably post something relevant too. I don't particularly care who sees my stats, and if you do care about who sees them then I would suggest you chill out and consider why the opinions of anonymous people on the internet are in any way important.

Edited by Thirdstar, 21 December 2012 - 09:31 PM.

[Lucian Nostra]

siLve00, on 21 December 2012 - 09:18 PM, said:

no they wouldnt...
because of that it makes only sense they would add more stats ( like they will do.. Oo )

1 question.. you get xp bonus for founder / premium and this is added to the avg xp ( how much is founder xp bonus / premium bonus ? )

Founder doesn't add anything only the founder mechs get a c-bill bonus. Title does nothing, and premium is 50% so on average 350ish. Not bad considering the games tend to be blow outs one way or the other. We either win and I have 200-400 dmg and 7 assists or we lose and I did 60 damage and maybe 1 assist.. Damn game be fickle

[Alaric the Arcane]

Thirdstar, on 21 December 2012 - 09:27 PM, said:

I don't particularly care who sees my stats, and if you do care about who sees them then I would suggest you chill out and consider why the opinions of anonymous people on the internet are in any way important.

That's the point, though.

[HurlockHolmes]

"Oh no, My stats! What ever will I do if somebody sees them?"

http://i.imgur.com/ZH3kv.png

The only thing public ranking/stats would do is show who is "potentially good", since there wouldn't be a way to check if somebody dropped with a group or pug all day (Unless they have a stat for that too!).

It's just numbers.

[Thirdstar]

Alaric the Arcane, on 21 December 2012 - 09:48 PM, said:

That's the point, though.

I've got mixed signals here. I'm in agreement with your stance about stats, but dislike your use of the word Baddy since I usually see the word associated and often used by people who DO care about stats and use it for elitism. Perhaps your point was that the elitists themselves would be humbled by public stats?

[Alaric the Arcane]

Thirdstar, on 21 December 2012 - 10:00 PM, said:

Perhaps your point was that the elitists themselves would be humbled by public stats?

My point is that the people who care too much about stats being hidden are usually those who have something to hide. It's usually the same people who talk big on the forums but can't back it up in-game.