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[Flit Asuno]

Moromillas, on 28 December 2012 - 06:17 AM, said:

Hmm... After reading some of the comments, I'd have to disagree.

I think not being able to fire your weapons is a valid criticism, and would be the same if you weren't able to fire lasers at a target.

The hilarity of the video really kicks in when you realize he's complaining about people who can't use tactics ruining the game with ECM. When he's running the most cheesy/simplistic builds in the game. When a TAG would solve his entire problem. Then on top of that he then goes on to spell out how LRMs, Streaks, and Gauss were fine and needed no balancing. That you just had to "use tactics". Cause apparently ECM doesn't add a layer of complexity to the game.

[Ettibber]

Moromillas, on 28 December 2012 - 06:17 AM, said:

Hmm... After reading some of the comments, I'd have to disagree.

I think not being able to fire your weapons is a valid criticism, and would be the same if you weren't able to fire lasers at a target.

so punishing people who knowingly run a one trick pony is valid criticism?

Hell i love to run actual builds of mechs(currently using a 3d cataphract to act as a warhammer). If you go balls to the wall with only one type of weapon and you get countered, that's not pgi's fault, that's your fault for being a crappy cheese monkey.

[Saj uuk]

Illegal Username, on 28 December 2012 - 04:47 AM, said:

That's only acceptable if the mouse is so old and filthy that you occasionally need to stop mid-battle to shake the ball out and scrape out the crust from the rollers.

Like a ~true mechwarrior~

lmao you sir just made my day

[PiemasterXL]

Saj uuk, on 28 December 2012 - 06:30 AM, said:

lmao you sir just made my day

BRING SAJUUK TO BEAR!

[Agent of Change]

PiemasterXL, on 28 December 2012 - 04:32 AM, said:

The Official List of Things that Ruined MWO:

Premades.
ECM.
Assault 'Mechs.
Light 'Mechs.
Obama.
Net Code.
Not strictly adhering to Tabletop Values and Rules.
Trees not stompable.
Obama's dog.
Popeye's (Fast Food Chain) Fired-Chicken shortage of 2009.
Teamwork.
Whiners.
Christmas Cheer.
MC Prices.
Whales.
LRMs.
Streaks.
Steaks.
Alt-F4.

Edit: oh yeah and PGI.

Good effort Pie, but I don't think you formed a commitee or anything, i mean i see several, conspicuous by their absence, thing that ruined MWO missing.

I mean already mentioned were Whaling and George Bush but what about:

Lasers, ballistics, hardpoints, having weapons, trolls, not having weapons, dying, not dying, pugs, medium mechs, low intensity solar rays, heavy mechs, XL engines, the jet stream, getting cbills too fast, not getting enough cbills, Ben Bernanke, needing to repair, not repairing, not having to repair, welfare system, welfare ammo, Maytag, and of course people.

Edited by Agent of Change, 28 December 2012 - 06:37 AM.

[PiemasterXL]

Agent of Change, on 28 December 2012 - 06:35 AM, said:

Good effort Pie, but I don't think you formed a commitee or anything, i mean i see several, conspicuous by their absence, thing that ruined MWO missing.

I mean already mentioned were Whaling and George Bush but what about:

Lasers, ballistics, hardpoints, having weapons, trolls, not having weapons, dying, not dying, pugs, medium mechs, low intensity solar rays, heavy mechs, XL engines, the jet stream, getting cbills too fast, not getting enough cbills, Ben Bernanke, needing to repair, not repairing, not having to repair, welfare system, welfare ammo, Maytag, and of course people.

I will update these into the list when another thread like this emerges within the next 3 or 4 hours.

[Mr 144]

ConnorSinclair, on 28 December 2012 - 06:20 AM, said:

snip....

Your point is? Doesn't alter anything I said Anyone who's experienced the smack talkin vassago (while dead) in pugs, knows what I say is true...lol...I was killed by a member of kong...Oh Noes!!! lol...The cheese factory doth cometh.

When was the last time vassago (representing 'kong' in chat...did NOT rush tunnel in pug frozen city? When was the last time Vass talked smack while alive? Vass does not have a .79 KDR? I'm not clear what point you're disputing, lol...other than flaunting your '4chan' agin...BwaaHaaHaaHaa

Mr 144

Edit: It is cool to have that all in one shot though...lol...THAT I gotta give ya

Edited by Mr 144, 28 December 2012 - 06:44 AM.

[Omigir]

Vassago Rain, on 28 December 2012 - 04:05 AM, said:

;_;

When was the last time you ever used tactics with a team? Apparently never.. All your problems can be solved with scouts.

[Kylere]

You pansies and your premade controllers make me laugh out loud, I had to get a degree in electrical engineering, trackdown multiple wiring diagrams, design three circuit boards, spend days soldering and then had to write win7 64 bit drivers to get my Thrustmaster FLCS-F16 working without a serial port.

[Omigir]

Just saw this thread a moment ago complaining about LRM boats..

funny that this thread [ http://mwomercs.com/...tting-old-fast/ ] completely contradicts this one.. but both are equally whiny.

[Flit Asuno]

Mr 144, on 28 December 2012 - 06:41 AM, said:

Your point is? Doesn't alter anything I said Anyone who's experienced the smack talkin vassago (while dead) in pugs, knows what I say is true...lol...I was killed by a member of kong...Oh Noes!!! lol...The cheese factory doth cometh.

When was the last time vassago (representing 'kong' in chat...did NOT rush tunnel in pug frozen city? When was the last time Vass talked smack while alive? Vass does not have a .79 KDR? I'm not clear what point you're disputing, lol...other than flaunting your '4chan' agin...BwaaHaaHaaHaa

Mr 144

Edit: It is cool to have that all in one shot though...lol...THAT I gotta give ya

Most of the times I roll in Kong we're not in the cheesiest builds. We're not in completely special ed builds either, but generally speaking we do so well because we do a good job of focusing fire. One set of matches we had 3 mechs in 8 mans running flamers and machine guns and were still winning simply because we have a good habit of focusing fire and a few very good players in Atlases.

If you want to see Cheese look at some of the try-hard merc companies/clans that run conquest in pretty much all ecm ravens with capture modules. Or groups that run in four or five lrm equipped mechs with a few mechs for spotting/tagging. Or the slightly more rarely seen raid bosses.

I think the most people I've seen even using streaks in our groups is maybe two people? And even then they weren't a1 raidbosses. They were stalkers with streaks, or mechs that just had one or two.

[ConnorSinclair]

Mr 144, on 28 December 2012 - 06:41 AM, said:

Your point is? Doesn't alter anything I said Anyone who's experienced the smack talkin vassago (while dead) in pugs, knows what I say is true...lol...I was killed by a member of kong...Oh Noes!!! lol...The cheese factory doth cometh.

When was the last time vassago (representing 'kong' in chat...did NOT rush tunnel in pug frozen city? When was the last time Vass talked smack while alive? Vass does not have a .79 KDR? I'm not clear what point you're disputing, lol...other than flaunting your '4chan' agin...BwaaHaaHaaHaa

Mr 144

Edit: It is cool to have that all in one shot though...lol...THAT I gotta give ya

I am the King of Alpha,
I am the Alpha and Omega
I am the Sword of Damocles
I am Yemeth

Well if you battle me I will revile
People always say my Build is wild
You've got gall you've got guile guile
To step to me I'm a rapeophile
If you want to battle you're in denial
Coming from the Nagel to check my style
Go ahead put my Atlas on trial
Cast your clan off into exile

[Flit Asuno]

Omigir, on 28 December 2012 - 06:50 AM, said:

Just saw this thread a moment ago complaining about LRM boats..

funny that this thread [ http://mwomercs.com/...tting-old-fast/ ] completely contradicts this one.. but both are equally whiny.

Omigir, on 28 December 2012 - 06:48 AM, said:

When was the last time you ever used tactics with a team? Apparently never.. All your problems can be solved with scouts.

I hate to burst your bubble buddy... But that video isn't Vass. He's posting it to mock the guy and people who complain about the same things that guy in the video does.

I mean... really. Vassago clearly shows his location as Sweden. Yet that video is -clearly- not from a swedish guy.

[Omigir]

Flit Asuno, on 28 December 2012 - 06:54 AM, said:

I hate to burst your bubble buddy... But that video isn't Vass. He's posting it to mock the guy and people who complain about the same things that guy in the video does.

I mean... really. Vassago clearly shows his location as Sweden. Yet that video is -clearly- not from a swedish guy.

Just adding verity to the thread then

[Tyranum]

One Medic Army, on 28 December 2012 - 04:15 AM, said:

Wow...he's playing an entirely different game than me.
I still see plenty of LRM, SSRM, and gauss.

^This.
I've heard a ton of moaning about how this game is 'screwed up' and certain builds are dead now...I call B.S. on all of it. You may not have the same success rate you used to in those "dead builds" but I think that's the point...no one build should be 'THE' build, or the "right way" to play a certain Mech. I've seen tons of very successful missile-boats (short and long range) and I personally still use Gauss on several Mechs, the only thing that gimps them are my crappy (but improving) piloting skills. Stop the whining with every single change the Devs make, adapt. Learn to fight a new way and stop blaming others because you suck.

[Zagum]

qq more

[Mr 144]

Flit Asuno, on 28 December 2012 - 06:52 AM, said:

Most of the times I roll in Kong we're not in the cheesiest builds. We're not in completely special ed builds either, but generally speaking we do so well because we do a good job of focusing fire. One set of matches we had 3 mechs in 8 mans running flamers and machine guns and were still winning simply because we have a good habit of focusing fire and a few very good players in Atlases.

If you want to see Cheese look at some of the try-hard merc companies/clans that run conquest in pretty much all ecm ravens with capture modules. Or groups that run in four or five lrm equipped mechs with a few mechs for spotting/tagging. Or the slightly more rarely seen raid bosses.

I think the most people I've seen even using streaks in our groups is maybe two people? And even then they weren't a1 raidbosses. They were stalkers with streaks, or mechs that just had one or two.

Honestly, I've never claimed otherwise...In 8-man, Kong is very good competition. In 4-man however, My experience (ONLY with the smack talking Vass representing) is cheesey fast cap rushes....many many times. If what he claims in text chat is not representative of your orginization, I don't know what to tell ya. I ran against a 4-man vassago talking group 6 times in a row...all of them frozen city (about a week ago)...we all got a great laugh that night on server population...every single time was a tunnel rush with fast cappers. Earlier tonight, again in a 4-man...I saw you guys...told the team, watch...it'll be a fast cap base rush...Lo and behold, it was...again..I'm not doubting your skill...I'm calling out cheese tactics vs pugs disguised as skill. I am no where near an 'uber' player...and unlike some people, have never claimed otherwise....You may want to 'adjust' you behavior...as reputation is spreading...and not in a good way...lol...8-man? Mad props...just wish I'd face you more (and outcomes have been mixed W/L despite the odd horibad matches)...pugging? Kong is a !#$% on the game.

Mr 144

[Moromillas]

Ettibber, on 28 December 2012 - 06:27 AM, said:

so punishing people who knowingly run a one trick pony is valid criticism?

Hell i love to run actual builds of mechs(currently using a 3d cataphract to act as a warhammer). If you go balls to the wall with only one type of weapon and you get countered, that's not pgi's fault, that's your fault for being a crappy cheese monkey.

Like I said, I disagree.

If one has a clear shot, you really think Mechs shouldn't be allowed fire lasers or autocannons at the target? There are some Mechs that exclusively have laser hardpoints, or the majority of hardpoints consist of lasers and ballistics (as in, that's all they can equip.) What? Surely you don't equip one of every weapon and go off to one-man-army the joint. You know it's a team game with role warfare right?

People say that this, Mack fellow is crying about the changes, but with comments like "cheesy build" and "crappy cheese monkey" directed towards LRM... Yeah, I'm starting to think it's the other way around.

[Tastian]

The original video was posted immediately after ECM was implemented. LRMs and Streaks came to a halt and TAG was still shorter range and people hadn't adapted to using it yet. After Stalkers were introduced and TAG had its range increased and people started using it, I've seen a revival of LRM boats.

On the other hand, I've seen a massive decline in medium mechs.

[Agent of Change]

Tastian, on 28 December 2012 - 07:37 AM, said:

The original video was posted immediately after ECM was implemented. LRMs and Streaks came to a halt and TAG was still shorter range and people hadn't adapted to using it yet. After Stalkers were introduced and TAG had its range increased and people started using it, I've seen a revival of LRM boats.

On the other hand, I've seen a massive decline in medium mechs.

yup, evaporated like water in the desert. Problem is medium mechs don't really fit a role right now, primarily because in the absence of drop weights there is nothing that a medium can do that light/heavy/assault mech can't do just flat out better. (The ECM Cicada a possible exception.)