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[SlXSlXSlX]

Easy wins are addicitive. 4 mans will be an issue until the game is restructured. Take them out for one day. Make 4 man players man up as a solo, playing with other 7 solos as a team of 8 in public matches, or make them take part in teh larger competitoin of 8 man versus 8 man premade team.

You wont get good enough to beat and humble this vassago guy, beating on new players and disorganized public teams.

[Bishop Steiner]

Vassago Rain, on 29 December 2012 - 06:21 AM, said:

Welcome to competitive gaming, where everybody uses the min-maxed option that gives as big a chance as possible of winning.

Sol Badguy is on your left, and you'll find Akuma three rows down to the right.

Which is why many of us get a big laugh at the "Die Hard" competitive gaming crowd. If min/maxxing to achieve the same results over and over again were remotely interesting, I would sign up. On the other hand, I am pretty content with the size of my e-peen, and don't need "Being the Bestest at Stompy Internet Robots" to bring some sort of meaning to my sad little life, so I'd rather experiment, have fun, knock self-important twits off their high horses, and deal with the losses when and if they come, than ring up 100 meaningless "W"s, that actually mean.... Nothing.

But god you smarmy "Pro-Gamers" are entertaining as hell in your little E-world.

[Ghogiel]

Sean von Steinike, on 29 December 2012 - 11:08 AM, said:

Groups like this are lame. Why would anyone want to belong to a group of dicks?

Pugstomping isn't being a ****. It's winning.

[Vassago Rain]

Bishop Steiner, on 29 December 2012 - 11:14 AM, said:

Which is why many of us get a big laugh at the "Die Hard" competitive gaming crowd. If min/maxxing to achieve the same results over and over again were remotely interesting, I would sign up. On the other hand, I am pretty content with the size of my e-peen, and don't need "Being the Bestest at Stompy Internet Robots" to bring some sort of meaning to my sad little life, so I'd rather experiment, have fun, knock self-important twits off their high horses, and deal with the losses when and if they come, than ring up 100 meaningless "W"s, that actually mean.... Nothing.

But god you smarmy "Pro-Gamers" are entertaining as hell in your little E-world.

Well, then it obviously won't matter to you that you lose every match, while I win all of them.

Right?

[Bishop Steiner]

Glory, on 29 December 2012 - 07:48 AM, said:

"Boring" is the #1 euphemism for "I just got handed my face."

Maybe the game does need some adjustments - well, of course it does. Invisibility cloak is probably too kablammo right now, and machine guns are way underpowered. How fun can the game be without MG Ravens? But I digress.

Srsly, if they would just give us lobbies, we would happily give the twisty slide and swing-set back.

Maybe for people with self esteem problems. Which do seem rampant in E-Communities.

My Perspective... watching and doing the same thing over and over again (aka repetition) gets boring without wrinkles. I don't care how good my favorite sports team are, how often they win, if they are boring to watch, I watch something else.

Why? Because sports, like games, are something "Played" and hence... entertainment. If I am not being entertained, I will go do something that IS entertaining. And while getting stuck with 7 people off the Short Bus on a PUG match can be even more infuriating than running into the occasional (but growing) number of Sync Drop groups, at least it has a lot of variety, and I can enjoy seeing how successful I can adapt, even if the rest of the team runs blindly in 7 different directions.

While I tend to find some peoples condescending arrogance laughable, and the cries form both camps waaaaay exaggerated, I do see more and more recognizable Merc Corps 8 man sync dropping (or attempting to, have seen the dismay when they end up on opposite sides, even to the point of one side sabotaging the win), so it is a real issue. And people can make up all the excuses they want ...well we only had 7... so we HAD to do it.....

BoolShit.

You could have dropped 3 and 4 in the PUG drops, like anyone else, but you wanted the competitive edge. I was with a group the other night that started to suggest it, and I told em they were free to, but that I would be dropping out immediately.

A lot of people are legitimately not doing 8 mans out of frustration, boredom, lack of unit support over the Holidays, and a myriad of legit reasons.

But none of those reasons apply when you see a well known 8 man merc group in the 4 man que. Even if it's "Only" 5-7 instead of 8. that is people who can't compete having to pad their stats, and their egos.

[Ghogiel]

Bishop Steiner, on 29 December 2012 - 11:14 AM, said:

Which is why many of us get a big laugh at the "Die Hard" competitive gaming crowd. If min/maxxing to achieve the same results over and over again were remotely interesting, I would sign up. On the other hand, I am pretty content with the size of my e-peen, and don't need "Being the Bestest at Stompy Internet Robots" to bring some sort of meaning to my sad little life, so I'd rather experiment, have fun, knock self-important twits off their high horses, and deal with the losses when and if they come, than ring up 100 meaningless "W"s, that actually mean.... Nothing.

But god you smarmy "Pro-Gamers" are entertaining as hell in your little E-world.

checklist

2000 posts on MWO check
part of a premade check
gold founder check
massive neckbeard check

[Eagle vFv]

If all of you think it's hard now to find good 8v8 matches it will only get worse by adding tonnage/class/faction/rank/skill level/cpu/blood type/ping/epeen filters on the ones clicking "Launch". The way it is right now is so far the best we have for 8 people to click launch and get matched with another 8 man team whether they are running their favorite mechs or minmaxxed for best odds of a win.

For the most part what I am hearing is that the game still needs work and so there are obvious frustrations. Nobody is "crying" for the sake of their KDR and WLR, people are frustrated with the balance of the game, or lack thereof and people want to see variation and not just ECM mechs being the only viable option for the highest percentage win. In my mind even having the lobby for coordinated drops would still be a waste because we already have one! Get your 8 with another team of 8, coordinate weight and click launch at the same time since there are clearly very few teams looking for random 8v8s. What I hear the most is the competitive game is just not fun right now. I get that and it really is true. People want to play other mechs, not just the few good ECM mechs available right now. The jenner is an amazing mech and is still my favorite in the game yet it is gimped by ECMing streak mechs. So what is the real problem, the ECM, the missiles it works to deter, the targeting/radar system for the missile locks or how about the messed up netcode that makes everybody take streaks in the first place because nobody can hit light mechs?

I think the game has a long way to go but there is still a lot of fun to be had with what we have. We have mechs! 8 people can set drop limits with another team and play any style they wish and I think that's the best thing we could have right now, all while keeping PUGs happy.

[Bishop Steiner]

Choombatta, on 29 December 2012 - 09:36 AM, said:

Quite funny!
Playing in 8 vs. 8 are boring.
But sync dropping with 8 to roll PUG groups is somehow a lot of fun?!?!?!

If A is true, than B would be even more boring for you.

If A is false, than B would still be even more boring for you.

If all you care about is stats, than B is the way to go.

Actually, my apparently illiterate (or more likely,intentionally highly selective reading, and looking to instigate) friend, you would notice that most of those who find the current 8 man scenario boring, also don't sync drop. In fact, I PUG more than I 4 man or 8 man anymore, because I find Pugging more interesting now. (Funny how I am actually taking Lefty Lucy's old argument on this one, oh the irony).

Pug Stomps epitomize boring for anyone with any modicum of self esteem. 8 man ECM Warrior is a few notches LESS boring, since one is facing skill, but as an example, I was on with Steele's the other night for a short time, dropped 8 matches, won at least 7 (I disco'd before number 8 was finished, could have went either way, my bout with the stomach flu didn't really care) and TBH, was largely bored by the "Blob" tactics used to sin. Move as a group under ECM to counter their long range, have massive melee in between building. Wash, rinse and repeat.

If those were occasional examples, I would probably play it more. It sure isn't a win/loss thing (I lose a LOT more in PUG matches.... doesn't matter how good you are when it ends up you vs 6), it's a wow..... look it's a Re-Run... and the show wasn't all that interesting the first time.

[Leimrey]

Bishop Steiner, on 29 December 2012 - 11:10 AM, said:

In case you haven't noticed, Vassago, and a goodly number of Kongs, apparently are very into themselves... so much so in fact, that when they think about themselves.. they touch themselves. They are actually very entertaining to watch self aggrandize. And on a good day they are ALMOST as good as they think.

Define "a goodly number of Kongs". You do know that Kong is pretty much a PUG which anyone can "join" and play with at the drop of a hat, right? We have guys that belong to one clan or another, but still play with Kong, because of how carefree our community is. And no, I've never seen many narcissistic people on Kong. Do not confuse trolling attempts and gold player antagonizing with ego stroking.

Edited by Leimrey, 29 December 2012 - 11:43 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Vassago Rain, on 29 December 2012 - 11:01 AM, said:

I'm the Hulk Hogan of MWO, and just like Hulk Hogan, I'm loved and famed for the flexing, antics, and making up terms and words as I see fit.

Which is why even if at times I wanna p1mpslap you, I could never actually put you on the ignore list. These forums would be just that much less entertaining.

[BoomDog]

Sears, on 28 December 2012 - 05:59 AM, said:

If 4 mans launched into the 8v8 games it would solve everyone's problem haha.

I've always thought that this would be a great idea.

The best part is that they couldn't possibly go to the forums and complain about being stomped by 8 mans, lol.... right? Oh, who am I kidding, of course they would.

[Bishop Steiner]

Leimrey, on 29 December 2012 - 11:39 AM, said:

Define "a goodly number of Kongs". You do know that Kong is pretty much a PUG which anyone can "join" and play with at the drop of the hat, right? We have guys that belong to one clan or another, but still play with Kong, because of how carefree our community is. And no, I've never seen many narcissistic people on Kong. Do not confuse trolling attempts and gold player antagonizing with ego stroking.

Easy Leimry, go back through this post, and count the number of people running Kong banners speaking condescendingly about all other pre-mades, (such as QB and Vass, and.. neh, now I'm too lazy to go back and count......) and there you have it.

Or, you could take a deep breath and note I didn't say "all Kong", and take it for what it is, me pointing out that there is a laughable amount of self love from certain members of your unit. If you feel the finger is being pointed at you, without being named, nothing I can do about that, but since I have "liked" a number of yours, and even Vassago's posts, pull off on the after burners there, hoss.

If a unit has members talking smack, and can't handle some being thrown back, they either need to stop talking smack, or stop their teammates from it.

[Barnaby Jones]

BoomDog, on 29 December 2012 - 11:45 AM, said:

I've always thought that this would be a great idea.

The best part is that they couldn't possibly go to the forums and complain about being stomped by 8 mans, lol.... right? Oh, who am I kidding, of course they would.

You realize the ones complaining the loudest are the pug4lyfe crowd, dont you?

[Bishop Steiner]

Ghogiel, on 29 December 2012 - 11:16 AM, said:

Pugstomping isn't being a ****. It's winning.

And that is why I would never drop in a unit with you. If "Winning" is all that matters to you, to such an extent you have to stack the deck in your favor, you have won nothing at all, no matter what your precious stats say. I hope to hell you are being sarcastic, but if not, you need to get out more.

[Vassago Rain]

Bishop Steiner, on 29 December 2012 - 11:10 AM, said:

In case you haven't noticed, Vassago, and a goodly number of Kongs, apparently are very into themselves... so much so in fact, that when they think about themselves.. they touch themselves. They are actually very entertaining to watch self aggrandize. And on a good day they are ALMOST as good as they think.

The problem is that you're pretending I have to be the best gundam pilot in the world to crush everybody in MWO. That's not how competition works.

You simply need to be better than those you fight. For instance, when you play guilty gear at big conventions, for real money, you need to prepare physically and mentally, or you'll walk into a straight loss. When you play MWO, you need to have something other than the reflexes of a 40 year old.

I'm living proof you don't need to actually be good to be 'the best' in this game, because there's such a low ceiling. Put on your big boy pants and practice, or sulk in the corner.

[Bishop Steiner]

Ghogiel, on 29 December 2012 - 11:29 AM, said:

checklist

2000 posts on MWO check
part of a premade check
gold founder check
massive neckbeard check

Ghogiel Illiteracy... check.

If you actually read the post, or look at my Sig, I am not part of a "Pre-Made". Was. Left many weeks ago, actually shortly after Phase 2, because I found it too limiting and boring. Still Drop with some of them from time to time, since several are E-buds, but also drop randomly and with people from other Units, and 90% of the time, I PUG. I run 3 accounts, One for my "Serious" play, one for experimental builds, and one entirely anonymous for PUGing. This is the only one with that "Gold Badge" you are in such e-peen envy of.

I know... HOW DARE I ACTUALLY SUPPORT A GAME COMPANY!!! I'm P2W, OP.. NERF ME.

What a joke.

[Leimrey]

Bishop Steiner, on 29 December 2012 - 11:46 AM, said:

Easy Leimry, go back through this post, and count the number of people running Kong banners speaking condescendingly about all other pre-mades, (such as QB and Vass, and.. neh, now I'm too lazy to go back and count......) and there you have it.

Or, you could take a deep breath and note I didn't say "all Kong", and take it for what it is, me pointing out that there is a laughable amount of self love from certain members of your unit. If you feel the finger is being pointed at you, without being named, nothing I can do about that, but since I have "liked" a number of yours, and even Vassago's posts, pull off on the after burners there, hoss.

If a unit has members talking smack, and can't handle some being thrown back, they either need to stop talking smack, or stop their teammates from it.

I never considered your post as a personal insult, or an insult at all. Also, I don't mind when people talk smack about me, I do my share of sh*t talking during some matches. I just wanted to point out that Kong is bigger and much more informal than most people think, so using several people as an example or representatives of our whole community is not exactly a good idea. Personally, I agree with what Vass and Quantum say most of the time, but there are people who do not, so please stop treating Kong like some kind of homogeneous community, because we're not.

[Bishop Steiner]

Vassago Rain, on 29 December 2012 - 11:52 AM, said:

The problem is that you're pretending I have to be the best gundam pilot in the world to crush everybody in MWO. That's not how competition works.

You simply need to be better than those you fight. For instance, when you play guilty gear at big conventions, for real money, you need to prepare physically and mentally, or you'll walk into a straight loss. When you play MWO, you need to have something other than the reflexes of a 40 year old.

I'm living proof you don't need to actually be good to be 'the best' in this game, because there's such a low ceiling. Put on your big boy pants and practice, or sulk in the corner.

That... is priceless. I sincerely hope they free up the paint lab enough you can Hulk-ify your Atlas. THAT would be epic.

And who wears pants in their cockpit.......? My tag line says it all.

Leimrey, on 29 December 2012 - 11:54 AM, said:

I never considered your post as a personal insult, or an insult at all. Also, I don't mind when people talk smack about me, I do my share of sh*t talking during some matches. I just wanted to point out that Kong is bigger and much more informal than most people think, so using several people as an example or representatives of our whole community is not exactly a good idea. Personally, I agree with what Vass and Quantum say most of the time, but there are people who do not, so please stop treating Kong like some kind of homogeneous community, because we're not.

Sure thing, though kinda hard when you keep getting told "Kong this, and Kong that" from people. Between that and the Siggys, kinda gives the other impression there. And I have sparred on and off with VASS on many threads since Closed Beta. As I said to him, his antics are just too damn fun to take offense to (well, 99% of the time).

But you flex and preen, I'm too much the trouble maker not to poke.......

[PiemasterXL]

Commando with no armor, XL engine, and nothing but ams ammo all over.

OH GOD WRONG THREAD

Edited by PiemasterXL, 29 December 2012 - 12:00 PM.

[Ghogiel]

Bishop Steiner, on 29 December 2012 - 11:49 AM, said:

And that is why I would never drop in a unit with you. If "Winning" is all that matters to you, to such an extent you have to stack the deck in your favor, you have won nothing at all, no matter what your precious stats say. I hope to hell you are being sarcastic, but if not, you need to get out more.

People aren't playing 8mans, why? You tell me who is all about winning.

All the excuses put forth are lulz.

Takes too long to set up/get less games in> if it was about socializing and hanging with lads, not getting enough games in is a non issue right? Result, Back to pugstomping.

Tryhards everywhere in 8man> playing them is not fun because they are good. Back to pugstomping.

Min/max/ECM everywhere QQ> playing them is not fun. Back to pugstomping.

No rewards for extra effort, need better cbill farm. Back to pugstomping.

Bishop Steiner, on 29 December 2012 - 11:53 AM, said:

Ghogiel Illiteracy... check.

If you actually read the post, or look at my Sig, I am not part of a "Pre-Made". Was. Left many weeks ago, actually shortly after Phase 2, because I found it too limiting and boring. Still Drop with some of them from time to time, since several are E-buds, but also drop randomly and with people from other Units, and 90% of the time, I PUG. I run 3 accounts, One for my "Serious" play, one for experimental builds, and one entirely anonymous for PUGing. This is the only one with that "Gold Badge" you are in such e-peen envy of.

I know... HOW DARE I ACTUALLY SUPPORT A GAME COMPANY!!! I'm P2W, OP.. NERF ME.

What a joke.

LOL has 3 accounts all for special purposes and pretends he isn't a try hard e peener.

Edited by Ghogiel, 29 December 2012 - 12:03 PM.