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[Red squirrel]

Why is the thread about the Awesome not getting any love?

[Cerlin]

Compared to the stalker, the size of the awesome is laughable. The Stalker has a much harder to hit profile. Atlas has 20 tons on them. SO yeah inferior.

[John MatriX82]

Red squirrel, on 30 December 2012 - 01:59 PM, said:

I use std engines for most AWS builds. AWS-8T AWS-8R

But the AWS-9M makes no sence IMHO without the biggest engine. 85KPH in an Assault is just great.

I prefer the 9M with 3 LLAS, dual Mlas (or SMPLAS instead of it.. it seems a joke but when brawling they reload pretty fast) and dual SRM4 (one CT the other arm mounted).

I like the way the SRM4s get fired in two salvos, they stay very focused and are a great crit seeker once you shove off armor on a section.. loads of DHS (20), Endo, STD 325. That's the only viable build I've found so far.. and it's still pretty move-able.

I've tried also 350 STD+ENDO, 1xLLAS, mass of MLAS + 1 SRM6 in the missile arm (1 ton only, the rest DHS), but the thing is still too easy to shred down because you need to close the distance more than with the above, that I use at medium range and close in to crit with the srms.

About the others I've dispatched them pretty fast and used them to exp to basics only; I've just sold the 8R, I was using the 290 STD, endo, 1xALRM10+1xALRM15, dual ASRM4 and dual LLAS+ tag in the head. Nice, but I don't like LRMs. Like this: http://mwo.smurfy-ne...888a4d8458d694d

[Red squirrel]

John MatriX82, on 30 December 2012 - 03:59 PM, said:

I prefer the 9M with 3 LLAS, dual Mlas (or SMPLAS instead of it.. it seems a joke but when brawling they reload pretty fast) and dual SRM4 (one CT the other arm mounted).

I like the way the SRM4s get fired in two salvos, they stay very focused and are a great crit seeker once you shove off armor on a section.. loads of DHS (20), Endo, STD 325. That's the only viable build I've found so far.. and it's still pretty move-able.

I've tried also 350 STD+ENDO, 1xLLAS, mass of MLAS + 1 SRM6 in the missile arm (1 ton only, the rest DHS), but the thing is still too easy to shred down because you need to close the distance more than with the above, that I use at medium range and close in to crit with the srms.

About the others I've dispatched them pretty fast and used them to exp to basics only; I've just sold the 8R, I was using the 290 STD, endo, 1xALRM10+1xALRM15, dual ASRM4 and dual LLAS+ tag in the head. Nice, but I don't like LRMs. Like this: http://mwo.smurfy-ne...888a4d8458d694d

You should try this one AWS-8T or this AWS-8T - it's the build I have the best results with. Just remember that you are a fire support build.
I shall try your 9M though, sounds good.

The 4xSRM6 8R was really dangerous before they increased the SRM spread. It was a real Atlas killer.
Now after ECM hit and as long as TAG is utterly useless it is the best build I could figure out for the 8R.

Edit: I do sometimes use a TAG though since it can help against the lag shield.
Shoot the TAG and wait for the reticule to go red. Now you know how much lead you need for thos pesky little ********

Edited by Red squirrel, 30 December 2012 - 04:27 PM.

[General Taskeen]

I tend to make some builds based on TROs just for fun:

AWS-8Q

This build is basically a fake AWS-9Q. Same engine and armor rating, same amount of weapons, etc. I put a BAP in the CT in place of the ECM that goes there, and it has 1 free ton that is supposed to be for a the last DHS, but the 9Q removes the LA hand actuator to do so (where the 4th PPC is supposed to be), and we are unable to remove hands (for whatever silly reason). Its loads more fun and manageable than the heat oven of the default 8Q with the current way heat is programmed.

Edited by General Taskeen, 30 December 2012 - 04:50 PM.

[Bishop Steiner]

what I love is the number o people expounding the "pen on paper" inferiority of the Awesome, but totally missing, overlooking or flat ignoring the multiple posts about the areas it real world bests the Atlas or Stalker.

The 9M, of course is much faster. But even the reviled 8 series has much better turn rate, and torso twist. Better arm tracking and speed.

Yes, if you post the Awesome at 100 meters, face to face with the other two, and try to slug it out, the Awesome loses, every single time. (The other two ARE much harder to headshot). But the Awesome actually favors the better pilot, who keeps moving, and knows how to use the lack of mobility of the other two to hit them on the flanks, where the Atlas and Stalker are both at a serious disadvantage to try to track it.

Like they say in football "it's why we play the game".

Paper advantage, is not always real advantage. Atlas is forgiving with all it's armor and guns, the Stalker is dangerous to anything in front of it, but the best Assault pilots I have encountered usually have driven Awesomes. (At least until ECM Warrior started.....)

General Taskeen, on 30 December 2012 - 04:49 PM, said:

I tend to make some builds based on TROs just for fun:

AWS-8Q

This build is basically a fake AWS-9Q. Same engine and armor rating, same amount of weapons, etc. I put a BAP in the CT in place of the ECM that goes there, and it has 1 free ton that is supposed to be for a the last DHS, but the 9Q removes the LA hand actuator to do so (where the 4th PPC is supposed to be), and we are unable to remove hands (for whatever silly reason). Its loads more fun and manageable than the heat oven of the default 8Q with the current way heat is programmed.

4th PPC is supposed to be? According to what source? The Awesome was 9q didn't arrive til 3057 and was the only version to ever use a 4th PPC. (Which it did rather effectively).

[General Taskeen]

Bishop Steiner, on 30 December 2012 - 04:56 PM, said:

4th PPC is supposed to be? According to what source? The Awesome was 9q didn't arrive til 3057 and was the only version to ever use a 4th PPC. (Which it did rather effectively).

According to the TRO that I own? Battle Tech Record Sheets: 3050 Upgrades

AWS-9Q
Standard 240
19 DHS

Weapons:

1 PPC LA (Hand Actuator Removed)
1 PPC RA
1 PPC LT
1 PPC RT
1 Small Laser Cockpit
1 ECM CT


Like I said, I build builds that are based on TROs (that I own). Learn2Read.

Edited by General Taskeen, 30 December 2012 - 05:03 PM.

[Phades]

The awesome was mostly obsoleted when they handicapped which engines can go into various chassis, as were most of the medium sized mechs, since the dragon is basically faster, more armored and similarly armed. Even as they introduced the 9m, which obsoleted the Q, it is still rather restricted. Even so, without other things like TSM to round out chassis builds or introduce melee (since weapons are rather fragile now), it comes down to heavy ranged punch or tiny profile to avoid being hit. While the aws-8 and 9m can have decent ranged punch, other frames can do it better at lower heat thresholds or have a more balanced weapon setup.

General Taskeen, on 30 December 2012 - 05:02 PM, said:

According to the TRO that I own? Battle Tech Record Sheets: 3050 Upgrades

The upgrades happen after the year 3050, or did you fail to read his date stamp for that model?

Edited by Phades, 30 December 2012 - 05:14 PM.

[General Taskeen]

Phades, on 30 December 2012 - 05:12 PM, said:

The upgrades happen after the year 3050, or did you fail to read his date stamp for that model?

Are you guys dense? I alreadly know the date stamp is 3057. The build is LOOSELY BASED ON THE 9Q. MWO CUSTOMIZATION, WHAT'S THAT?

AWS-8Q

The question asked was if the 4th PPC was on the LA "according to what source," and I listed the source, that I have. Oh Snap.

Edited by General Taskeen, 30 December 2012 - 05:21 PM.

[The Amazing Atomic Spaniel]

Just for fun, I took a pretty-much stock 9M pugging tonight: 3PPC, 3SSRM2 and added a BAP. There are enough mechs out there without ECM that I was still able to use the streaks quite often, although ECM-equipped lights are impossible to defend against when they do show up. I played 11 games and got a K/D of 15/4 with 30 assists and was on the winning side 7 times.

I made a point of hanging back a bit, trying to pair up with an Atlas and concentrated on taking down opposing heavies and assaults (slow enough to hit with a PPC!) at medioum range. In other words, I played it rather like a "tank destroyer". Not a very scientific test, but it was much more effective than I had anticipated - probably down to the recent PPC speed buff.

Edited by RocketDog, 30 December 2012 - 05:23 PM.

[Phades]

General Taskeen, on 30 December 2012 - 05:21 PM, said:

Are you guys dense?  I alreadly know the date stamp is 3057.  The build is LOOSELY BASED ON THE 9Q.  MWO CUSTOMIZATION, WHAT'S THAT?

Are you pretending to be dense or does it just come naturally to you? It was already explained prior to your little tantrum when and where that model was introduced, hence why it wouldn't exist yet and how it is not an option currently making your triage rather moot. Everyone already knows what we are limited in doing and how we are limited in doing it. Simply reiterating that fact is rather pointless.
There are tons of builds I'd like to do, but can't given the current environment. That doesn't give any arguments more weight because of that fact though.

[Valkyrie Brynhildr]

Because I was a young fool who played the Solaris Online game back in the 90s so I only understood Assaults versus Assaults and my Assault of choice was the Stalker.

So naturally, I'm always in the Stalker.

[Bishop Steiner]

General Taskeen, on 30 December 2012 - 05:02 PM, said:

According to the TRO that I own? Battle Tech Record Sheets: 3050 Upgrades

AWS-9Q
Standard 240
19 DHS

Weapons:

1 PPC LA (Hand Actuator Removed)
1 PPC RA
1 PPC LT
1 PPC RT
1 Small Laser Cockpit
1 ECM CT


Like I said, I build builds that are based on TROs (that I own). Learn2Read.

hey sparky, before you flip out on people maybe look at the specific language of your own post.
but the 9Q removes the LA hand actuator to do so (where the 4th PPC is supposed to be)"
*italics YOURS, not mine

The specific phraseology implying that you added something that was supposed to be there the whole time.

Not once did I challenge the canonical nature of the design, since I actually added the date of the 9Qs introduction.
learn to take your own advice, or grow a thicker skin on teh intrawebz.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 30 December 2012 - 05:41 PM.

[General Taskeen]

Phades, on 30 December 2012 - 05:33 PM, said:

Are you pretending to be dense or does it just come naturally to you? It was already explained prior to your little tantrum when and where that model was introduced, hence why it wouldn't exist yet and how it is not an option currently making your triage rather moot. Everyone already knows what we are limited in doing and how we are limited in doing it. Simply reiterating that fact is rather pointless.
There are tons of builds I'd like to do, but can't given the current environment. That doesn't give any arguments more weight because of that fact though.

Haha, so the fact that I put a 4th PPC on an 8Q is not allowed, because the 9Q came out in 3057. Who is the dense one, you ******* *****. I even linked the ******** build 2 times, showing where I put the 4th PPC, in the RT. By my own words, the 4th PPC, is supposed to be in the LA, but alas we can't remove hand actuator's. Woe is me! I called it a fake 9Q for obvious reasons.

Get over your entitled trollselves.

Edited by General Taskeen, 30 December 2012 - 05:57 PM.

[Bishop Steiner]

actually, my troll self would be asking

UMADBRO!?!?!?!?!

[General Taskeen]

Bishop Steiner, on 30 December 2012 - 05:59 PM, said:

actually, my troll self would be asking

UMADBRO!?!?!?!?!

I'm glad we agree on something. Now enjoy the Fake 9Q for Lulz and Profit.

[Nikolii]

Assuming anyone is still reading this, I'll weigh in. I've got a founder's Atlas, and am Master ranked with Awesomes and Stalkers. I'm good with them too, so I'd say that gives me some authority on the matter.

The problem with the Stalker is that is has a tiny torso twist range and no real arms. Couple this with the fact that its side torsos are larger than its center and you have a mech that is easy to dismember. Against a PuG this will virtually never be an issue, since they generally stand toe to toe, however any smarter pilots can easily stay in that massive blind spot.

My mech of choice is the Awesome 8V. The Awesome has the largest torso twist range and field of vision, which makes tracking faster mechs much easier. The Awesome is at a disadvantage against other assault mechs if they stand still. Same is true of a Raven against a Centurion. The advantage of being smaller is that the mech takes a disproportionately smaller engine to propel. A 290 rated engine and Elite perks takes the Awesome to 64.6 KPH, which is something an Atlas can't match. Stay outside of their torso mounted weapons long enough to strip a tonne of armor and suddenly it's an even fight.

Edited by Nikolii, 30 December 2012 - 06:38 PM.

[TyGeR STD]

the awesome has been a near useless mech sence they needed the max engine size to 290. they should up the max engine size to the same as the 9M across all athe awesomes. that would help IMO

[Odins Fist]

Homeless Bill, on 29 December 2012 - 05:28 PM, said:

"Why Doesn't The Awesome Get Any Love?"

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ANSWER: Because it is possibly the the worst "ASSAULT" Mech in MWO...
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It's a waste of an "ASSAULT" slot for a team..
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END OF STORY...!!!!

[Red squirrel]

General Taskeen, on 30 December 2012 - 05:21 PM, said:

Are you guys dense? I alreadly know the date stamp is 3057. The build is LOOSELY BASED ON THE 9Q. MWO CUSTOMIZATION, WHAT'S THAT?

AWS-8Q

The question asked was if the 4th PPC was on the LA "according to what source," and I listed the source, that I have. Oh Snap.

Just want to say sorry for all the unpoliteness in these forums.
I think it is totally valid to play around with the mechlab.

And it is also valid to say that unfortunately we wont see this variant.
On the other hand PGI can bend the timeline as they wish.
After what they did to ECM (also look at the Ilya) I think there are no more restrictions.

Edited by Red squirrel, 31 December 2012 - 12:25 AM.