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#21 0Life

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 01:42 AM

That is a good looking Stinger! I really hope they add it to the game, I want to fight Commandos with it. Though I doubt I could fit an AC2 on the right arm to bring it back to the Veritech standard though...

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 01:57 AM

LIke the locust - but it make me think of a "Mosquito" and not the "Ostrich" as the original battlemech always reminded me of back in the 80ties.


Fine piece of art this is.

#23 DerMaulwurf

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 05:09 AM

The Phoenix Hawk looks very animeish. Which is a good thing on this mech. I like the detail on the head/helmet especially.

Good design and a sad reminder of something that MWO still misses (fast jumping medium).

#24 Zaptruder

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 01:44 AM

View Post0Life, on 09 January 2013 - 01:42 AM, said:


That is a good looking Stinger! I really hope they add it to the game, I want to fight Commandos with it. Though I doubt I could fit an AC2 on the right arm to bring it back to the Veritech standard though...


Thanks. No chance of seeing any of these mechs in the game though. They'd really rather just side step legal wrangling in the courts irrespective of how likely they are to succeed. Also, the original stinger never had an AC2... it has a medium laser and 2 machine guns.

View PostFather Christmas, on 09 January 2013 - 01:57 AM, said:

LIke the locust - but it make me think of a "Mosquito" and not the "Ostrich" as the original battlemech always reminded me of back in the 80ties.


Fine piece of art this is.


Cheers. It is mosquitoish, and quite insectoid... but it definetly makes me think 'Locust' still, and makes you think similarly :P

View PostDerMaulwurf, on 12 January 2013 - 05:09 AM, said:

The Phoenix Hawk looks very animeish. Which is a good thing on this mech. I like the detail on the head/helmet especially.

Good design and a sad reminder of something that MWO still misses (fast jumping medium).


Cheers. I think I might have to revisit the Phoenix Hawk after I'm done with the rest. In some respects, it's kinda cool... but on the flipside, it's lacking an important element of good design; a certain rhythm and balance to the details. Too many details, and the overall silhouette is basically a quarterback in football gear. Too humanoid. Admittedly, the Veritechs are quite humanoid, but they still had their own distinct robotic qualities.


Anyway, here's my very belated take on the Shadow Hawk. I wasn't actually happy with it for a long while, hence I stopped work on it. But then I finished shading it and coloured it up. Seems to work quite well. Retains much of the qualities of the original Shadow Hawk with new blockier but more workable details. Weapons are also more realistically sized: medium laser is now a medium laser sized weapon. You can see the SRM2 on the head. And LRM-5 Pack also appears.

Sharp eyed among you might realize the weapon locations are flipped. I flipped them to draw them more easily... but forgot to flip the image pack to add the text on it. Not a big deal hopefully!

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Cheers. No new designs for a while. But going to try model up the marauder and warhammer in 3D.

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 02:12 AM

Hi!

your drawing skills are really impressive, i especially LOVE your marauder, this one`s a beast!
however, sadly, i think it is STILL not different enough though...

the warhammer also looks relly cool, but the feet arent "bulky" enough imho.
im also missing the helmet like "roof" the original warhammer hat, i really think that was the most prominent feature on this mech, since it looks like an opened helmet visor of a knights armor.

the stinger looks way to much "mecha" me thinks. could be the colour though... :P
the phoenix hawk looks astonishing! but not like a battletech battlemech unfortunately. its not "military" looking enough, imo

the battlemaster is ready to go!


But dude, the marauder...damn, i want it!

edit: just saw the shadow hawk, thats awesome! perhaps the over shoulder weapon ( isnt it supposed to be an ac5? looks more like a large laser, even too small for a ppc imo) is a bit small.

my 2 cents.

era

edit 2: could you please update your op and put the shadow hawk and phoenix hawk and any subsequent designs into the OP? makes it easier to keep track of your designs

thank you in advance

Edited by Erasus Magnus, 13 January 2013 - 02:19 AM.


#26 Adridos

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 02:38 AM

View PostZaptruder, on 13 January 2013 - 01:44 AM, said:

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Remember how I said there was no good Shadow Hwak renedition to date? I think I can safely declare that statement false now. There are a few nitpicks I'd have about the design, but I'm not an art person, so don't mind. <_<

Thanks for making the best looking Shadow Hawk the world has ever seen. HG probably wouldn' allow it, but screw them, this looks better than their animeish crap.

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View PostErasus Magnus, on 13 January 2013 - 02:12 AM, said:

edit: just saw the shadow hawk, thats awesome! perhaps the over shoulder weapon ( isnt it supposed to be an ac5? looks more like a large laser, even too small for a ppc imo) is a bit small.


AC/5 barrel is actually quite small. Look at the Dragon's barrel, or the UAC/5 barrels, where all three are basically separate AC/5 barrels. Definitely not a large weapon. :P

Edited by Adridos, 13 January 2013 - 02:50 AM.


#27 Zaptruder

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 04:49 AM

View PostErasus Magnus, on 13 January 2013 - 02:12 AM, said:

Hi!

your drawing skills are really impressive, i especially LOVE your marauder, this one`s a beast!
however, sadly, i think it is STILL not different enough though...

the warhammer also looks relly cool, but the feet arent "bulky" enough imho.
im also missing the helmet like "roof" the original warhammer hat, i really think that was the most prominent feature on this mech, since it looks like an opened helmet visor of a knights armor.

the stinger looks way to much "mecha" me thinks. could be the colour though... ;)
the phoenix hawk looks astonishing! but not like a battletech battlemech unfortunately. its not "military" looking enough, imo

the battlemaster is ready to go!


But dude, the marauder...damn, i want it!

edit: just saw the shadow hawk, thats awesome! perhaps the over shoulder weapon ( isnt it supposed to be an ac5? looks more like a large laser, even too small for a ppc imo) is a bit small.

my 2 cents.

era

edit 2: could you please update your op and put the shadow hawk and phoenix hawk and any subsequent designs into the OP? makes it easier to keep track of your designs

thank you in advance


Thanks for the feedback. I'm still quite proud of the Marauder. Should be fun to model it up in 3D. But the complex form will make it a little tricky (normally, I model architectural spaces... not so many compound curves in those).

And will do on the suggestion - I've been meaning to update the OP, but have kinda just forgotten about it.


View PostAdridos, on 13 January 2013 - 02:38 AM, said:

Remember how I said there was no good Shadow Hwak renedition to date? I think I can safely declare that statement false now. There are a few nitpicks I'd have about the design, but I'm not an art person, so don't mind. :huh:

Thanks for making the best looking Shadow Hawk the world has ever seen. HG probably wouldn' allow it, but screw them, this looks better than their animeish crap.

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AC/5 barrel is actually quite small. Look at the Dragon's barrel, or the UAC/5 barrels, where all three are basically separate AC/5 barrels. Definitely not a large weapon. <_<


Thanks a lot :P glad you enjoy the design. Hopefully I'll get around to a 3D remake of it in a not too distant future.

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 05:11 AM

View PostAdridos, on 13 January 2013 - 02:38 AM, said:


AC/5 barrel is actually quite small. Look at the Dragon's barrel, or the UAC/5 barrels, where all three are basically separate AC/5 barrels. Definitely not a large weapon. :P


nah, tha diameter of the "barrel" is okay, the weapon is not LONG enough. it looks like the short barrel of an energy weapon, especially the square shape of the barrel screams "PPC". if you look at the recent tro art, square barrels are mostly energy weapons while long, barrel shaped weapons are acs.

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 05:30 AM

View PostErasus Magnus, on 13 January 2013 - 05:11 AM, said:


nah, tha diameter of the "barrel" is okay, the weapon is not LONG enough. it looks like the short barrel of an energy weapon, especially the square shape of the barrel screams "PPC". if you look at the recent tro art, square barrels are mostly energy weapons while long, barrel shaped weapons are acs.


This is a fair comment. At the very least, I'll have to modify it so that it's in line with the Marauder that I've drawn at a later date. That said, the barrel is actually round... it just has a square sleeve over it. Artistic license and all that; but it's a simple enough task to make it rounded.

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 05:30 AM

View PostErasus Magnus, on 13 January 2013 - 05:11 AM, said:

If you look at the recent tro art, square barrels are mostly energy weapons while long, barrel shaped weapons are acs.

Recent TRO art doesn't depict ArmstrongJ11 AC/5. Keep in mind the differrence in design between different manufacturers, like the water cooling holes on Vindicator's PPC, while most PPCs don't have such a feature.

Edited by Adridos, 13 January 2013 - 05:39 AM.


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Posted 14 January 2013 - 07:58 AM

I like the design. My only critique... please don't use the large X's in the armor plate, reminds me of EVERY single MW4 mech and I cringe inside! haha

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 03:35 PM

dude those are beast mechs the phoenix hawk kinda reminded me of a gundam and thats a good thing

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 05:23 AM

Thought about something, from my own imagined redesign of the Marauder; keep the general body shape you have going, that looks really great. But, raise the arms and move them further back. Then, instead of the current leg design, attach them to a square-ish platform turntable that the main chassis sits on. Also, have you tried envisioning the cockpit along the upper surface, ala Catapult?

Ideally I'd say, reference MWO's Cataphract for the lower body design. As far as I understand from lore the Cataphract's lower body was essentially made from surplus Marauder parts.

I'd say you're a much better artist than me since I'm not very good at converting my imagination to paper on with a pencil, but if you'd like to try something like what I have in mind, here's my weaksauce basic-shapes sort of picture.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 01:16 PM

A tiny bump. :mellow:

This art doesn't deserve to be forgotten.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 01:27 PM

They all look fantastic! Great job, and I've gotta say your Warhammer is just plain boss.

That being said the Phoenix Hawk, though very sleek and cool looking, reminds me too much of a Gundam style giant stompy robot with the way you implemented the sweeping crests from its head and the big jets on his back seem a little small in comparison to the original design, but overall I like it. He just seems a tad ostentatious to me, but I feel that way about 'Mech's like the Hatamoto-Chi, so maybe it's just a personal thing XD

Keep up the good work!

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 07:22 PM

oh god... that pheonix hawk and shadow hawk are hawt

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Posted 25 March 2013 - 02:26 AM

Awesome designs!
I love that Marauder and Warhammer and also the Shadow Hawk.

PGI, give me that Marauder and take my money!

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Posted 01 April 2013 - 10:11 AM

@Zaptruder: PGI should hire you really as mech artist. Maybe you should send your application directly to them.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 06:10 AM

Great job man! These are all fantastic!

I especially like the Locus and Shadow Hawk.

I'd love to see some drawn in a combat environment.

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Posted 02 September 2013 - 04:04 AM

Well I really like your interpretation of the Locust. Because my biggest doubts about the new Locust is to set an accent, compared with the other lights. If it isn’t faster than ~150kph it doesn’t make sense to play it instead of a spider or commando.
I suggest an extreme fast mech (e.g. 170-180kph) no torso twist but an incredible acceleration and anchor turn ability.





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