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[HiplyRustic]

merz, on 06 January 2013 - 02:23 PM, said:

Know that few things in life delight me half so much as making your sort taste defeat like an ***-flavoured cupcake.

Interesting that you apparently know what one of those tastes like.

Look, there will always be pugs and casuals...and the coordinated elites with half a brain fervently hope that's the case because they understand that, like in any MMO that has made a profit, it's those people who pay to keep the lights on. Not the elites, not the tight-knit clans...they are historically a much smaller percentage of a game's population than the casual drop-ins.

So it's not only in PGI's best interest to make sure there are casual-friendly (i.e. pugger friendly) design decisions made that also allow for the more serious players to enjoy the best of competitive gameplay. For now, it's easy enough to say if a 4 man is dropping in they will wait just long enough for another 4 man to stage for a drop...then fill both sides with puggers.

It's not impossible to accommodate both groups of players, and in fact it would be downright stupid not to.

Edited by HiplyRustic, 06 January 2013 - 03:03 PM.

[Yokaiko]

Greyfyl, on 06 January 2013 - 03:00 PM, said:

Exactly - you don't care and will move on soon anyways. I feel sorry for you.

So Mr high an mighty, how much have you spent past that founder's pack?

Since you feel so sorry for me.

[merz]

Yokaiko, on 06 January 2013 - 02:56 PM, said:

Oh well.

The game stops being amusing I'm gone.

We're in complete agreement. I got accepted into the beta sometime around september and found little satisfaction in pugging. I would play for an hour perhaps, every other day or so. Eventually the hollow pug experience made me stop coming back, and I didn't return until a month and a half ago. This time I found a public channel on C3 with a good number of folks who were doing drops and included me along.. I suddenly found myself: playing for 4-6 hour stretches at a time over the holidays, actually buying MC - something I never imagined myself doing as the whole idea seemed disconcerting to me not long ago. The game was a lot more fun, suddenly had far more depth and a sense of community associated with it. And that is why I'll keep actively playing, eagerly anticipating new additions, writing bug reports and spending simply for the sake of rewarding the developers for being on the right track with a battletech product.

Edited by merz, 06 January 2013 - 03:10 PM.

[Yokaiko]

merz, on 06 January 2013 - 03:06 PM, said:

We're in complete agreement. I got accepted into the beta sometime around september and found little satisfaction in pugging. I would play for an hour perhaps, every other day or so. Eventually the hollow pug experience made me stop coming back, and I didn't return until a month and a half ago. This time I found a public channel on C3 with a good number of folks who were doing drops and included me along.. I suddenly found myself: playing for 4-6 hour stretches at a time over the holidays, actually buying MC - something I never imagined myself doing as the whole idea seemed disconcerting to me not long ago. The game was a lot more fun, suddenly had far more depth and a sense of community associated with it. And that is why I'll keep actively playing, eagerly anticipating new additions, writing bug reports and spending simply for the sake of rewarding the developers for being on the right track with a battletech product.

Exactly. I pugged for about 2 weeks just long enough to figure out how to control the mech and not feel like a liability.

Again, there is no single player mode, there is no PvE, it's a pure TEAM based shooter. So if you don't team its like playing with an arm behind your back. I'm not going to do that.

[JSparrowist]

PUGs and premades can exist peacefully. Fix MM so that there is always a premade group on both sides. Yes there will still be blowout matches where the other team gets roflolstomped due to skill differences, but it wont be nearly as common as it is now.

Is that honestly asking to much?

I have seen this suggested time and time again on these forums and the usual folks show up and rip the idea to pieces. The only logical reason for them doing so is to defend their easy mode cbill and experience farming. Am I wrong? How is the game even fun after your 100th lopsided victory?

On the flip side, how can a casual have any fun when they're rolled up and stomped nearly every match? Join a group you say, well, that's not always possible for a number of reasons.

[Yokaiko]

JSparrowist, on 06 January 2013 - 03:12 PM, said:

PUGs and premades can exist peacefully. Fix MM so that there is always a premade group on both sides. Yes there will still be blowout matches where the other team gets roflolstomped due to skill differences, but it wont be nearly as common as it is now.

Is that honestly asking to much?

I have seen this suggested time and time again on these forums and the usual folks show up and rip the idea to pieces. The only logical reason for them doing so is to defend their easy mode cbill and experience farming. Am I wrong? How is the game even fun after your 100th lopsided victory?

On the flip side, how can a casual have any fun when they're rolled up and stomped nearly every match? Join a group you say, well, that's not always possible for a number of reasons.

Oh now you are being reasonable.

In my experience, pugs don't know when they are being stomped or not, I've been called F'in pre more then once when I was solo dropping. Every time you lose isn't a premade on the other side. A lot of the time its someone typing their head off on the other team.


Most of the time solo dropping I know win or lose in the first 10 seconds of the game, if everyone spreads out nice and even, its going to be an 8-0 lose. Rambo simply doesn't work in this game.

[Greyfyl]

Yokaiko, on 06 January 2013 - 03:16 PM, said:

Oh now you are being reasonable.

You are hilarious - he said exactly what I've been saying for 3 pages. Holy first grade reading comprehension Batman!

[Yokaiko]

Greyfyl, on 06 January 2013 - 03:19 PM, said:

You are hilarious - he said exactly what I've been saying for 3 pages. Holy first grade reading comprehension Batman!

Sorry didn't sift through all 4 pages of QQ.

[Synther]

Team Leader, on 05 January 2013 - 05:40 PM, said:

I honestly never got the whiners either. Most pugs are ok, but when the whiners come here and demand that people playing a team based game as a team get punished, or that playing a team based game as a solo player get made easier for them, without any effort on their part... It's just stupid.

There is absolutely no reason that someone can't hop on for only a few games and be on TS at the same time. Therefore, there is no valid point for the whiners. Get with the program on team play or shut up. There is no room for whining about solo play in a team based game.

[JSparrowist]

Synther, on 06 January 2013 - 03:33 PM, said:

There is absolutely no reason that someone can't hop on for only a few games and be on TS at the same time. Therefore, there is no valid point for the whiners. Get with the program on team play or shut up. There is no room for whining about solo play in a team based game.

wow...just...wow

You are what's wrong with this game. Congrats.

[Yokaiko]

JSparrowist, on 06 January 2013 - 03:40 PM, said:

wow...just...wow

You are what's wrong with this game. Congrats.

Not putting the minimal effort in to play somewhat competitively isn't his issue. If I wanted a watered down crap game I'd be plaing LOL or Tanks.....or WoW.

[SlXSlXSlX]

There are plenty. Heres one, mine. I have been there and done that. Done meeting new internet peoples... met enough in wot. Of those I still talk to, when I can convince them to play, I will likely use TS to play with them. However, by and large they are not interested, so I play lone-wolf.

You know its damn hard playing alone wolf in mwo, I think its accelerating my improvement. You stack the deck in your favor, I'll keep suffering with it stacked against me, and we'll see where that leads us.

If your not good enough for 8 mans now, you won't get any more ready playing 4 man. Either grin and bear it, as you painfully improve in 8 mans.. or keep getting soft dining on green recruits.

[Yokaiko]

SlXSlXSlX, on 06 January 2013 - 03:46 PM, said:

There are plenty. Heres one, mine. I have been there and done that. Done meeting new internet peoples... met enough in wot. Of those I still talk to, when I can convince them to play, I will likely use TS to play with them. However, by and large they are not interested, so I play lone-wolf.

You know its damn hard playing alone wolf in mwo, I think its accelerating my improvement. You stack the deck in your favor, I'll keep suffering with it stacked against me, and we'll see where that leads us.

If your not good enough for 8 mans now, you won't get any more ready playing 4 man. Either grin and bear it, as you painfully improve in 8 mans.. or keep getting soft dining on green recruits.

Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.

This game boils down to live 5 activities.

Aim straight (or lead straight if you are a ballistic guy)
Don't rambo
Don't die in the tunnel
Don't get caught in the open by LRM
Kill the squirrel.

The rest is just numbers.

[King Arthur IV]

i have this suspicious feeling that in game viop/quick commands will do nothing for pug team work. (not saying i dont want those things) but too many players leave their balls at the drop zone to remember how to back up their team.

pugging team work takes along long time to develop and im comparing this to other games.

[Lykaon]

Sears, on 05 January 2013 - 05:42 PM, said:

People have different reasons why they don't want to be in a premade or go on TS. And many of those reasons are completely valid. Such as simply just wanting to hop into a few games here and there. Those players should be able to do that. The game needs to improve the commands function so that teams without the convenience of voip can effectively communicate. There also needs to be incentives to issue and follow these commands.

The game is a team game yes, and there's not a lot of room for soloing. Perhaps if they release a solaris add on then that would put more emphasis on the solo mech rather than the team, also you can put more traditional multiplayer game modes and have it sort of make sense in the Solaris setting.

When (IF) Community Warfare comes out it will hopefully encourage the use of team work and creating merc outfits and things, non of which are supported in game.

Here is the kicker.

Players who complain about premades are not the same players who want a super casual no need to find a group just drop game.The complainers are on a dilberate campaign to smear this game discourage new players and be all around arsehats.

Those that are not in this catagory are instead myopic self centered people who simply stink at mechwarrior and need some boogey man to blame because they will never think the problem is their woeful lack of ability.

Then there is a third group.The poor suckers who buy the hype and honestly believe they are the victims of these boogey men premades.That somehow against all logic and laws of mathamatics they never ever benifit from premades on thier team it's always the losses never the wins caused by premade participation.They simply quit trying to improve becaue one of the above groups hasconvienently granted them an out by blaming premades.

[HiplyRustic]

Lykaon, on 06 January 2013 - 03:54 PM, said:

Here is the kicker.

Players who complain about premades are not the same players who want a super casual no need to find a group just drop game.The complainers are on a dilberate campaign to smear this game discourage new players and be all around arsehats.

That's crap. I drop into pugs routinely, I don't want the game ruined, I rather like it. I think 4 mans should only drop when there's a 4 man on the other side and the rest should be pug-fills.

So, here am I complaining about premades pugstomping. Here I am offering an easy way to prevent it. Here I am not wanting to chase anyone away, and here I am wanting new players to join the game.

I guess here I am, making your sweeping generalization false.

Yes, there are always going to be...in any pvp environment...players who want to do nothing but blame everyone but themselves for getting nuked. That doesn't mean everyone who wants to see pugs and premades in as balanced an environment as possible is one of them.

Edited by HiplyRustic, 06 January 2013 - 04:02 PM.

[Greyfyl]

Lykaon, on 06 January 2013 - 03:54 PM, said:

Here is the kicker.

Players who complain about premades are not the same players who want a super casual no need to find a group just drop game.The complainers are on a dilberate campaign to smear this game discourage new players and be all around arsehats.

Those that are not in this catagory are instead myopic self centered people who simply stink at mechwarrior and need some boogey man to blame because they will never think the problem is their woeful lack of ability.

Then there is a third group.The poor suckers who buy the hype and honestly believe they are the victims of these boogey men premades.That somehow against all logic and laws of mathamatics they never ever benifit from premades on thier team it's always the losses never the wins caused by premade participation.They simply quit trying to improve becaue one of the above groups hasconvienently granted them an out by blaming premades.

I don't even....where to start with the load of rubbish?

Sigh, I don't have the strength to fight the stupidity anymore.

You are right, a completely unbalanced system where one side is always at a huge advantage is certainly the right path to continue down. We have more than enough players as it is, we certainly don't want any new players coming in and being bad, it will just bring the game down.

[SlXSlXSlX]

Lykaon, on 06 January 2013 - 03:54 PM, said:

Players who complain about premades are not the same players who want a super casual no need to find a group just drop game.The complainers are on a dilberate campaign to smear this game discourage new players and be all around arsehats.

I am proof you are wrong. That you feel that way, well, that's terrible... I'm sorry.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

Greyfyl, on 06 January 2013 - 04:12 PM, said:

I don't even....where to start with the load of rubbish?

Sigh, I don't have the strength to fight the stupidity anymore.

You are right, a completely unbalanced system where one side is always at a huge advantage is certainly the right path to continue down. We have more than enough players as it is, we certainly don't want any new players coming in and being bad, it will just bring the game down.

LMFAO

[BerryChunks]

SlXSlXSlX, on 06 January 2013 - 04:13 PM, said:

I am proof you are wrong. That you feel that way, well, that's terrible... I'm sorry.

I feel sorry for you, you seem to be of low intelligence.