162 replies to this topic

[merz]

what the above guy said. their only real retort is 'oh but the beancounters make all the decisions and they want casual gamers!'

this is SPA.. err, i mean BATTLETECH!

[Lucas the Bounty Hunter]

Well, it is somewhat frustrating to get creamed 8-0, but the reason it usually happens is bad playing on the losing team and simply getting spread all over the map. The other team then demolishes each opponent 1 by 1.

That said, the biggest thing this game needs is a dedicated team voice chat. With that, each team would be able to easily communicate and coordinate their actions. I play Team Fortress 2, and the chat is one of the single most important tools for a good team. The one problem is the question of vulgarity. I don't want to have to listen to a team who's language is just f*** this and d**n that. so a personal player "mute" option would probably be required. For me, the only other option would be to either leave the game or mute my computer, because I simply won't listen to that trash.

After that's taken care of, bring on the 8-man pre-mades. If my team of Lone Wolves can communicate and still lose terribly, then I guess we're just playing badly. Of course, matching teams by mech classes and skill levels (maybe calculated on total GXP earned by each account) would be very helpful, but these are secondary IMO.

Love the game. Looking forward to more.

[Aym]

Sug, on 05 January 2013 - 05:48 PM, said:

Some people, like myself, only want to pug. We asked devs to keep 8 man teams separate. They did. No one 8 mans. So here we are complaining about premades again.

So you're only complaining when 2 lances of 4 players sync their drops to get on the same team less than half the time? That's your only gripe with "pre-mades"?

[HiplyRustic]

Synther, on 06 January 2013 - 06:30 PM, said:

No, YOU are what wrong with gaming in this current generation in general. Premades that communicate well with one another have been stomping pugs since PvP gaming was created. When this happened in games like UT2k4, UT3, Battlefield 2, or any number of other games, you never saw a bunch of whiney little ahats come onto the game's forums to cry about how they just got their butts stomped into the mud. Instead, those players either found good clans to join up with, learn to play better, and come back for more until they could redeem themselves. This generation of gamers wants to whine about the fact that they are getting their butts kicked in a group based PvP game when they absolutely refuse to communicate with one another and then they want to point the finger of blame at everyone else. YOU are to blame. Not me. Quit being a self entitled whiney little brat and learn how to play the game properly. If you want to play a single player game, go play something else.

No, not really, no.

Premades have always stomped pugs, all things being equal, that's a given. C&C and practice will almost always tell the tale.

Some premades go out of their way to find other premades to get the best fights they can, ala 8v8 roams in DAoC

Some premades go out of their way to roflstomp pugs while laughing about it

Some puggers become premade players.

Some puggers keep on pugging

Some puggers who are bad blame premades, even when none exist, for their badness.

Some puggers don't blame anyone for anything.

Some game companies make matchmaking systems designed to level the playing field as much as possible between both groups because those companies like profits and do not like chasing off paying players. While they are working on those, bandaids are sometimes employed to keep premades on both sides of matches.

Some posters can't seem to get it through their heads that there are many types of gamers and many types of people who post on gaming forums, and thereby are prone to making sweeping and ignorant generalizations.

Some posters understand that the community, like the code, will be its best when it works to keep things as level as they can be while still having a good time.

Edited by HiplyRustic, 06 January 2013 - 06:54 PM.

[Synther]

HiplyRustic, on 06 January 2013 - 06:45 PM, said:

No, not really, no.

Premades have always stomped pugs, all things being equal, that's a given. C&C and practice will almost always tell the tale.

Some premades go out of their way to find other premades to get the best fights they can, ala 8v8 roams in DAoC

Some premades go out of their way to roflstomp pugs while laughing about it

Some puggers become premade players.

Some puggers keep on pugging

Some puggers who are bad blame premades, even when none exist, for their badness.

Some puggers don't blame anyone for anything.

Some game companies make matchmaking systems designed to level the playing field as much as possible between both groups because those companies like profits and do not like chasing off paying players.

Some posters can't seem to get it through their heads that there are many types of gamers and many types of people who post on gaming forums, and thereby are prone to making sweeping and ignorant generalizations.

Some posters understand that the community, like the code, will be its best when it works to keep things as level as they can be while still having a good time.

Yay! More excuses.

[HiplyRustic]

Synther, on 06 January 2013 - 06:54 PM, said:

Yay! More excuses.

http://dictionary.reference.com/

That word "excuses". I do not think it means what you think it means.

[Greyfyl]

Synther, on 06 January 2013 - 06:30 PM, said:

No, YOU are what wrong with gaming in this current generation in general. Premades that communicate well with one another have been stomping pugs since PvP gaming was created. When this happened in games like UT2k4, UT3, Battlefield 2, or any number of other games, you never saw a bunch of whiney little ahats come onto the game's forums to cry about how they just got their butts stomped into the mud. Instead, those players either found good clans to join up with, learn to play better, and come back for more until they could redeem themselves. This generation of gamers wants to whine about the fact that they are getting their butts kicked in a group based PvP game when they absolutely refuse to communicate with one another and then they want to point the finger of blame at everyone else. YOU are to blame. Not me. Quit being a self entitled whiney little brat and learn how to play the game properly. If you want to play a single player game, go play something else.

Actually quite a few of the most popular f2p and pvp games would tend to prove your theory about not needing to do anything about pugstomping to be completely false. Guess what, I'm not from 'this generation of gamers'. I've been pc gaming since the commodore 64, if you really want to call that a pc.

Why in the world would I want to team up with someone like you? Seriously? I think I'll pass.

This is the part that really left me amazed:

"Quit being a self entitled whiney little brat and learn how to play the game properly."

Do you know how self entitled that statement is? Nobody is telling you to quit doing your premades. just quit doing them at the expense of people that don't want to have to be in a group with people like you. You want the game YOUR way and YOUR WAY ONLY. Only one being bratty is the one staring back out at you from the mirror.

This whole thread reeks of delusional e-peen stroking.

Edited by Greyfyl, 06 January 2013 - 07:09 PM.

[Synther]

Greyfyl, on 06 January 2013 - 07:07 PM, said:

Actually quite a few of the most popular f2p and pvp games would tend to prove your theory about not needing to do anything about pugstomping to be completely false. Guess what, I'm not from 'this generation of gamers'. I've been pc gaming since the commodore 64, if you really want to call that a pc.

Why in the world would I want to team up with someone like you? Seriously? I think I'll pass.

This is the part that really left me amazed:

"Quit being a self entitled whiney little brat and learn how to play the game properly."

Do you know how self entitled that statement is? Nobody is telling you to quit doing your premades. just quit doing them at the expense of people that don't want to have to be in a group with people like you. You want the game YOUR way and YOUR WAY ONLY. Only one being bratty is the one staring back out at you from the mirror.

This whole thread reeks of delusional e-peen stroking.

There IS NO OTHER WAY. It is a team based game. Get with it or get out. Period.

[Bishop Steiner]

Greyfyl, on 06 January 2013 - 07:07 PM, said:

Do you know how self entitled that statement is? Nobody is telling you to quit doing your premades. just quit doing them at the expense of people that don't want to have to be in a group with people like you. You want the game YOUR way and YOUR WAY ONLY. Only one being bratty is the one staring back out at you from the mirror.

you do realize this argument cuts BOTH ways? Especially since, at least as of the moment, aside from sync drops, we ARE playing the game the way the devs want it, hence the 4man/Pug slot. Is it the "right way?", maybe not, but it is the way the game is currently set.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

Synther, on 06 January 2013 - 07:38 PM, said:

There IS NO OTHER WAY. It is a team based game. Get with it or get out. Period.

lol sorry ....just had this image of my kid standing there with his arms crossed huffing that statement out while he kicked his favorite teddy bear.


back to the premade/pug civil war.

[Joseph Mallan]

Synther, on 06 January 2013 - 06:30 PM, said:

No, YOU are what wrong with gaming in this current generation in general. Premades that communicate well with one another have been stomping pugs since PvP gaming was created. When this happened in games like UT2k4, UT3, Battlefield 2, or any number of other games, you never saw a bunch of whiney little ahats come onto the game's forums to cry about how they just got their butts stomped into the mud. Instead, those players either found good clans to join up with, learn to play better, and come back for more until they could redeem themselves. This generation of gamers wants to whine about the fact that they are getting their butts kicked in a group based PvP game when they absolutely refuse to communicate with one another and then they want to point the finger of blame at everyone else. YOU are to blame. Not me. Quit being a self entitled whiney little brat and learn how to play the game properly. If you want to play a single player game, go play something else.

Ok as I understand where you are coming from, there is a time and place for finger pointing and the like. You are not helping the Teams side by name calling. Dude grow up and act like an adult. Then use some humor to show you are being an Ashat.

I just got done having a a tough night gaming. Dropped with a 4 man team all night and lost as many matches as I won possibly more than I won. Should I ask for PUGs to be tucked away in a different server away from MY game play? I mean PUGs and PUG/4man teams all did better that we did this night.

The correct answer is no. I should act like an adult, look in the mirror and know I had a bad night. Ran into some good PUGs and 4Man teams and possibly some 8 mans and remember I am not the god of gaming.

[Joseph Mallan]

Bishop Steiner, on 06 January 2013 - 07:43 PM, said:

you do realize this argument cuts BOTH ways? Especially since, at least as of the moment, aside from sync drops, we ARE playing the game the way the devs want it, hence the 4man/Pug slot. Is it the "right way?", maybe not, but it is the way the game is currently set.

And this. The DEVs have said there will be worlds that everyone will fight on and there will be worlds that House Steiner troops will be attacking Clans or House Marik or Dracs, and the House forces will be the ones filling ranks first and Lone Wolves will fill what s left over.

[JSparrowist]

Synther, on 06 January 2013 - 06:30 PM, said:

No, YOU are what wrong with gaming in this current generation in general. Premades that communicate well with one another have been stomping pugs since PvP gaming was created. When this happened in games like UT2k4, UT3, Battlefield 2, or any number of other games, you never saw a bunch of whiney little ahats come onto the game's forums to cry about how they just got their butts stomped into the mud. Instead, those players either found good clans to join up with, learn to play better, and come back for more until they could redeem themselves. This generation of gamers wants to whine about the fact that they are getting their butts kicked in a group based PvP game when they absolutely refuse to communicate with one another and then they want to point the finger of blame at everyone else. YOU are to blame. Not me. Quit being a self entitled whiney little brat and learn how to play the game properly. If you want to play a single player game, go play something else.

Spoken like an arrogant *****. I expected nothing less though.

I especially like how you lob me into a "generation" of gamer's and say that I am whining when in fact all I am trying to do is keep this game alive by presenting my view point of the problems at hand so that maybe, just maybe, they'll be fixed some day. There are indeed many problems and I believe you either fail at seeing them or just flat out refuse to accept the fact that there are indeed major problems that need to be addressed.

I was playing games, whether it be an original Nintendo or a Commodore 64 since I was 5 years old. So I guess I have been gaming for going on 24 years now. Thanks for being an asshat and chunking me into the CoD generation.

You need to hang up your gaming hat, old man. You have far outlived your usefulness.

Edited by JSparrowist, 06 January 2013 - 08:48 PM.

[Bully_Hayes]

Damn !!!! There are some seriously ignorant comments coming out from both sides of this argument. Might want to put the chest thumping and Johnson waving on hold, until we see the results of Phase three matchmaking. They may not fix anything, in which case you folks can go back to beating each others brains out here on the forums like a bunch of rabid dogs or maybe they have fixed things or at the very least improved the situation in which case all this strutting and posturing has been for nothing.

I now return you to your regularly scheduled bickering.....have a nice day

Edited by Paladin851, 06 January 2013 - 08:47 PM.

[Cappy]

Team Leader, on 05 January 2013 - 05:40 PM, said:

I honestly never got the whiners either. Most pugs are ok, but when the whiners come here and demand that people playing a team based game as a team get punished, or that playing a team based game as a solo player get made easier for them, without any effort on their part... It's just stupid.

How is not letting a premade group that puts non premades at a severe disadvantage anything other than a punishment for not wanting to talk to people like you?

[Thirdstar]

Joseph Mallan, on 06 January 2013 - 07:49 PM, said:

Ok as I understand where you are coming from, there is a time and place for finger pointing and the like. You are not helping the Teams side by name calling. Dude grow up and act like an adult. Then use some humor to show you are being an Ashat.

I just got done having a a tough night gaming. Dropped with a 4 man team all night and lost as many matches as I won possibly more than I won. Should I ask for PUGs to be tucked away in a different server away from MY game play? I mean PUGs and PUG/4man teams all did better that we did this night.

The correct answer is no. I should act like an adult, look in the mirror and know I had a bad night. Ran into some good PUGs and 4Man teams and possibly some 8 mans and remember I am not the god of gaming.

I like almost all of your posts JM but it's shame that there are people like Synther on your 'side' being irrational. Oh and I'm getting a laugh out of Bishop liking your post because his rants are usually very similar to the one you're admonishing here. Calling 'this generation' entitled and so on. HAH.

Paladin851, on 06 January 2013 - 08:44 PM, said:

Damn !!!! There are some seriously ignorant comments coming out from both sides of this argument. Might want to put the chest thumping and Johnson waving on hold, until we see the results of Phase three matchmaking. They may not fix anything, in which case you folks can go back to beating each others brains out here on the forums like a bunch of rabid dogs or maybe they have fixed things or at the very least improved the situation in which case all this strutting and posturing has been for nothing.

I now return you to your regularly scheduled bickering.....have a nice day

If it wasn't for the bickering the forums would be dead. I mean there's really very little to talk about that hasn't already been covered and debated upon endlessly. The forums are nearly as stagnant as the game.

[CMDR Sunset Shimmer]

I'd play more 8mans if there was a hard-capped limit where I wasn't constantly fighting teams that run ALL ECM ALL THE TIME!

no offense, I like piloting with the awareness of my map and being able to see where my teammates are relative to my position, ontop of actually having my electronic sensors working.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

The forums are like a fountain of youth in a way...most of the bickering matches remind me of a bunch of pre-teen boys fighting over who is going to run the tree house. How so&so is better than so&so...The environment reminds me of how feelings use to get hurt telling "Your Mamma...." jokes. Or even better yet the first time a boy likes a girl and all he can do to express himself is make fun of her. Seriously its like the majority of the people that post are like 12 years old. Its a game...we are passionate about it but wow.

lol carry on though It does get real entertaining.

I challenge any poster here as they are p!ssing their pants in anger over what "So&so" posted to post their age at the end of the rant they are typing...then seriously consider it. 39

Edited by Cuthbert Allgood, 06 January 2013 - 09:08 PM.

[Wormrex]

Why... are we still going at each other's throats?

It is MONDAY! You know, the day the Dev comes back and gets locked in their cubicle to face the coding demons in debug hell?

I say we grab our pitchforks and torches, lock the cage and camp them in a ritual circle of sharing marshmellows and cheetos, singing kumbaya of course.

Jokes aside. My opinion is simple, premades or PUGs are in the end players who wants to have fun. We define how it is fun in our own manners and at times we fail to see the other side of the coin. PGI is working hard in trying to create an environment that would suit the majority of players, despite their orientation and attitude to the game.

Healthy competition and banter is good, turning bitter over difference isn't.

So far I think the major gripe on

PUGs are their suicidal tendency, the lack of coordinations, skull too thick to listen, whining.
Premades : Snubby attitude, Elitist, Failure to try and coordinate, Whining.

Notice the similarity between the two? We're simply not communicating with each other, then complain about each other. Again the solution comes down to having a better in game communication method, The simplest would be in game VOIP, so we can fling poo at each other faster than we can type.

Anyone still remember the days where we didn't have voip and had to play FPS while typing? Didn't stop us then, wonder what happened these days.

[Ihasa]

HiplyRustic, on 06 January 2013 - 02:44 PM, said:

Merz,

Just one question; do you suppose the bean counters and the executives who ultimately make the decisions agree with that statement and don't want the people who drop in to casually pug a bit to play and give them money?

If it was up to the bean counters, marketing people and execs to have it done, it would already be done. Money is an awesomely powerful motivator. So there must be some other reason.