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[Orgasmo]

NARC requires 3 tons and 2 slots, with only 6 ammo per ton. Targets are immune within the ECM bubble. TAG requires you to hold down the mouse button and manually keep the target tracked. The moment your crosshair is off target, which most of the time are moving, you lose your lock. If ECM Raven runs near you, it renders the module useless. On the other hand, ECM runs passively without any heat and protects mechs within a 180m bubble. It even functions like null signature armor from BT lore, which was never the purpose in the first place.

These so called "counters" are laughable. The only real counter to ECM is to bring another ECM. Perhaps the Devs should play their own game once in a while.

[hammerreborn]

Zyne, on 09 January 2013 - 09:04 AM, said:

TAG is not effective against ECM, try keeping your TAG on a Raven/Cicada/Commanado doing over 120kph its near impossible.

The only counter to ECM is another mech with ECM

You mean the thing I do every match without issue? It's called having a good computer, skills, and knowing what the **** you're doing.

[Yokaiko]

Zyne, on 09 January 2013 - 09:04 AM, said:

TAG is not effective against ECM, try keeping your TAG on a Raven/Cicada/Commanado doing over 120kph its near impossible.

The only counter to ECM is another mech with ECM

Yeah that wouldn't be the issue. Now would it.

No my point was it doesn't work if you are in the bubble, and if you aren't you can't keep them out now can you. Not with anything that carries a meaningful number of LRM.

The issue with ECM is that the only counter is more ECM, which creates an arms race. Its a crap design idea.

[rgreat]

BAP need to counter ECM inside 200m for the mech who use it.

[BoomDog]

StalaggtIKE, on 09 January 2013 - 09:05 AM, said:

My personal experience with being TAG'ed, they're getting a couple of AC20s to the head.

That's it exactly.

The TAG user might as well be screaming, "HEY....LOOK AT ME EVERYBODY! SHOOT ME! PLEASE...PLEASE...SHOOT ME!"

[Cearrdorn]

BoomDog, on 09 January 2013 - 09:22 AM, said:

That's it exactly.

The TAG user might as well be screaming, "HEY....LOOK AT ME EVERYBODY! SHOOT ME! PLEASE...PLEASE...SHOOT ME!"

If you don't lase the cockpit they can't see the tag. The only gripe i have is that you can only really do this effectively with the Com-2d or Raven 3L because of the 1k+ random LOS crap. Personally if you can't see me from your cockpit I shouldn't be on the radar, that would make ECM less 'necessary' for scouts.

[BoomDog]

Cearrdorn, on 09 January 2013 - 09:36 AM, said:

If you don't lase the cockpit they can't see the tag. The only gripe i have is that you can only really do this effectively with the Com-2d or Raven 3L because of the 1k+ random LOS crap. Personally if you can't see me from your cockpit I shouldn't be on the radar, that would make ECM less 'necessary' for scouts.

You might want to check your graphics settings or something. On my screen, I see everyone's TAG. I've even been alerted to someone behind me using TAG before. I saw the laser flicker in front of my mech, followed it to the point of origin, and unloaded on him.

If you want to see it even more clearly, use thermals.

[Grraarrgghh]

So wait, pubbies are still crying about ECM?

Jesus people, be less terrible and learn. It's certainly not a big deal anymore except to bad players.

[tundur_old]

TAG reward wasn't added to make people use TAG more, it was added because it's only fair to be rewarded extra for equipping and using the TAG to help your LRM teammates.

It's not a buff or incentive to use TAG, just a FIX.

[Salticidae]

hammerreborn, on 09 January 2013 - 09:05 AM, said:

You mean the thing I do every match without issue? It's called having a good computer, skills, and knowing what the **** you're doing.

its called being big headed m8, its easy tagging a atlas if your tagging a light thats all your doing i have a good computer and skills but i dont waste my time chasing lights when my team is getting *****

[Salticidae]

Yokaiko, on 09 January 2013 - 09:11 AM, said:

Yeah that wouldn't be the issue. Now would it.

No my point was it doesn't work if you are in the bubble, and if you aren't you can't keep them out now can you. Not with anything that carries a meaningful number of LRM.

The issue with ECM is that the only counter is more ECM, which creates an arms race. Its a crap design idea.

isn't that what i just said?

[JSparrowist]

Grraarrgghh, on 09 January 2013 - 09:45 AM, said:

So wait, pubbies are still crying about ECM?

Jesus people, be less terrible and learn. It's certainly not a big deal anymore except to bad players.

Learn what? To limit our available mech choices to the few that are ECM capable?

How about you bring some advice on what PUGs need to learn instead of your arrogance and bad attitude.

[CMDR Sunset Shimmer]

JSparrowist, on 09 January 2013 - 10:03 AM, said:

Learn what? To limit our available mech choices to the few that are ECM capable?

How about you bring some advice on what PUGs need to learn instead of your arrogance and bad attitude.

Don't feed the troll. Plus he's lowtax, means he's a Goon... best to ignore.

[Khobai]

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So stay out of the ECM bubble, TAG has great range. NARC does need to be fixed.

No matter how good your aim is you can't reliably keep TAG on a fast moving target. That is why TAG does not counter ECM.

[Grand Ayatollah Kerensky]

There already is a counter to ECM: not relying on missiles to do your aiming for you.

[tundur_old]

TBH ECM isn't such a big issue in PUGs anymore, cause there's plenty of people that want to play their Jenner/non-Cicada medium/heavy/stalker/awesome that there are very rarely more than 2 ECMs per team now. It's the eventual competetive 8v8 games that would be completely ruined by ECM if nothing is done about it's balancing.

[PropagandaWar]

Congzilla, on 09 January 2013 - 07:10 AM, said:

So stay out of the ECM bubble, TAG has great range. NARC does need to be fixed.

Ok if im tagging and have streaks I should get a lock outside of 180 then. Not 180-200 but 180-270 right? Hell that actually takes more skill then shooting ballistics and this comming from a guy who doesn't generally use lock weapons. The other thing why the heck does it shield every other mech?

Edited by PropagandaWar, 09 January 2013 - 10:14 AM.

[Salticidae]

Narcisoldier, on 09 January 2013 - 10:07 AM, said:

There already is a counter to ECM: not relying on missiles to do your aiming for you.

yeah i can disconnect from the game before i die aswell but im not that lame

[SlXSlXSlX]

ECM: In it's current state, adds to the diversity of options we can choose in our mech layouts. It is the counter to one of the easiest to use weapons in the game, one which is well known for producing large amounts of damages. I do not own one single ECM mech, and yet I support it. It does not limit our mech choices, but rather leaves us more choices, due to the fact that we do not need to choose our mech based on how it operates in a lrm dominated battlefield. I felt more so, my options for mech choice were more limited before ecm, than they are now.

Those who cannot aim precision weapons, cry about ecm. Go get a few ballistic weapons, and start practicing. I run dragons, cataphracts, and recently got a catapult. None of these carries ecm, and yet I run them exclusively as a lone wolf, and never have issues dealing with ecm...

And this is coming from a player who's bad @ mechs.

[CMDR Sunset Shimmer]

I cry about ECM because it disrupts my battlefield awareness, and if I'm stuck in an ECM bubble, I can't see my teammates, nor can they see me on the minimap.

Believe it or not, there are quite a few pilots out there that fight using every tool available to us. And frankly, ECM strips away some of that information which can screw some of us over.

Simple as that. Not to mention the only REAL counter to ECM is more ECM.