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[Grraarrgghh]

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ECM is only a problem for pubbies because they can't say "I'm moving up through E5", or "I'm still behind you".

It's part of the game you babies.

EDIT: Oh yeah also because they use streaks in non-light mechs.

Edited by Grraarrgghh, 09 January 2013 - 10:19 AM.

[SlXSlXSlX]

Jade, you are completely wrong on every count except the first... that you cry about ecm. You are not stuck ina bubble, I leave the ecm guy all the time.. too easy. If you mena the enemy bubble, well how did u get by the enemy team without your mates in teh first place? Imprudence. Seeing mechs on the itty bitty minimap is pretty insignifigant in relation to battle performance. Some of my best scoring games were matches where my hud and minimap were fubar due to glitch. And as to fighting with every tool... you think me running dragons is an effort to play the most op mechs? I run them 70% of the time. I too get a kick out of playing the lesser op mech. The only tools you seem to be abstaining from using, are lasers and ballisitics. The ones ecm does not inhibit. As for the info, I guess you are asserting that if you cannot see mechs on your minimap you cannot move your mech? Makes little sense, and resounds in little effort.

The only counter to ecm is... countering ecm. Whether you do that by using direct fire weapons, using an ecm to counter, or shooting them till their ecm dies... you can negate it in many ways. My favorite is go for non-ecm guys, widdling the enemy down to just the ecm mechs, then surrounding them.

If you relied on more than LRMs and Streaks, you would see the folly of your position.

[StalaggtIKE]

Grraarrgghh, on 09 January 2013 - 10:18 AM, said:

********.

ECM is only a problem for pubbies because they can't say "I'm moving up through E5", or "I'm still behind you".

It's part of the game you babies.

EDIT: Oh yeah also because they use streaks in non-light mechs.

You sound like a 12 year old.

[Grraarrgghh]

StalaggtIKE, on 09 January 2013 - 10:36 AM, said:

You sound like a 12 year old.

A job well done I'd say.

[StalaggtIKE]

Grraarrgghh, on 09 January 2013 - 10:37 AM, said:

A job well done I'd say.

So, I was right?

[Novawrecker]

Erik Hollister, on 09 January 2013 - 07:00 AM, said:

Are you kidding me? Do you, the devs, actually believe that there are players out there thinking "Man, TAG and NARC are SUCH good counters to ECM.

Many misslers will disagree with you regarding TAG, as it does an effective job of opening up ECM covered units to LRM fire. You have to run it to see and believe it.

[Grraarrgghh]

StalaggtIKE, on 09 January 2013 - 10:40 AM, said:

So, I was right?

Not necessarily, but at least I'm bringing up the average age of this forum's discourse.

[The Mecha Streisand]

Jade Kitsune, on 09 January 2013 - 10:15 AM, said:

I cry about ECM because it disrupts my battlefield awareness, and if I'm stuck in an ECM bubble, I can't see my teammates, nor can they see me on the minimap.

Believe it or not, there are quite a few pilots out there that fight using every tool available to us. And frankly, ECM strips away some of that information which can screw some of us over.

Simple as that. Not to mention the only REAL counter to ECM is more ECM.

I understand and respect that. Others, however, are saying that they don't DEPEND on having ALL of those tools working ALL of the time. Thus, this is just a matter of piloting styles. Some are bothered by ECM, some are not.

I run a 3L Raven almost exclusively right now, and I agree that ECM should be scaled back a bit and/or be more effectively countered by TAG, BAP, and NARC.

On the other hand, ECM does nothing at all to counter the thermal vision mode. If I can see you, I can hit you with a direct-fire weapon. PPC, AC, Laser, and even unguided SRM. Do I, you, or anyone else NEED a big red box with a triangle over it to verify what else we see with our own eyes?

If you do, I recommend you eat a LOT more carrots.


The point earlier about ECM not occupying a weapon slot, producing heat, or requiring ammo? That is an EXCELLENT point. NARC is freakin' USELESS, and was rarely ever noticed by most missile boaters even BEFORE ECM (I know--I was the jackmonkey who carried NARC on his 3L Raven before ECM, and got not a single darned assist for it in PUG matches. NOT ONE.)

Good tactics, by the way, is the NUMBER ONE counter to ANY weapon, mech, or other whiner-fodder. Teamspeak is free and microphones are cheap. 4Man4Life!

Edited by 30plusRAbbi, 09 January 2013 - 10:46 AM.

[Novawrecker]

Tundur, on 09 January 2013 - 09:46 AM, said:

TAG reward wasn't added to make people use TAG more, it was added because it's only fair to be rewarded extra for equipping and using the TAG to help your LRM teammates.

It's not a buff or incentive to use TAG, just a FIX.

Paint it what ever color you want, it is STILL a means to get through ECM. And savvy players are taking full advantage of it.

[StalaggtIKE]

Grraarrgghh, on 09 January 2013 - 10:44 AM, said:

Not necessarily, but at least I'm bringing up the average age of this forum's discourse.

So I was close.

You are much appreciated.

[Grand Ayatollah Kerensky]

Jade Kitsune, on 09 January 2013 - 10:15 AM, said:

Not to mention the only REAL counter to ECM is more ECM.

This is only true if you're a bad pubbie who can't aim and you maintain a tenuous grasp on situational awareness by over relying on the triangles on your minimap. The majority of us can see pubbie tears over ECM for what they really are: crying about how the game requires skill AND teamwork in order to win most matches.

[Grraarrgghh]

Narcisoldier, on 09 January 2013 - 10:48 AM, said:

This is only true if you're a bad pubbie who can't aim and you maintain a tenuous grasp on situational awareness by over relying on the triangles on your minimap. The majority of us can see pubbie tears over ECM for what they really are: crying about how the game requires skill AND teamwork in order to win most matches.

No you don't GET IT.

ECM makes the game HARD which is UNACCEPTABLE.

[Novawrecker]

Grraarrgghh, on 09 January 2013 - 10:49 AM, said:

ECM makes the game HARD which is UNACCEPTABLE.

I'm sorry, you're being challenged to think outside the box??? Go back to playing WoW if it's too much to handle ....

ECM does not break this game, it makes it more difficult yes, but not impossible nor improbable. Even as strong as ECM is currently, there are solutions to beat it and there have been enough matches where competent teams w/ ECM lost to opposing teams without ECM. Was it difficult? Hell yes! But much more gratifiying when pulled off.

Edited by Novawrecker, 09 January 2013 - 10:55 AM.

[Grraarrgghh]

Novawrecker, on 09 January 2013 - 10:52 AM, said:

I'm sorry, you're being challenged to think outside the box??? Go back to playing WoW if it's too much to handle ....

Did you hear that sound?

Yeah? Like a whole thread rushing over your head because you neglected to read it?

[Texas Merc]

hmm last time i saw some squawkers in a pubbie match it was 2 ddc and 2 rvn3L.

lol

[Novawrecker]

Grraarrgghh, on 09 January 2013 - 10:53 AM, said:

Did you hear that sound?

Yeah? Like a whole thread rushing over your head because you neglected to read it?

Aww, the WoW comment hit to close to home for you? Instead of complaining how ECM is "too difficult" for your fragile mind, find ways to defeat it. MANY have done it. Once you start thinking outside that lil box of yours, you will too.

Edited by Novawrecker, 09 January 2013 - 11:01 AM.

[Congzilla]

Yokaiko, on 09 January 2013 - 07:24 AM, said:

OK so you have a Raven going +130kph how do you avoid it short of Cicada or Jenner?

Not to mention that if the beam drops off for like a millisecond missile lose lock....yeah still sucks range or not.

You stop relying on lock-on weapons and just kill it, not that hard.

[JSparrowist]

The trolls are out in force today..

[Grand Ayatollah Kerensky]

Texas Merc, on 09 January 2013 - 10:57 AM, said:

hmm last time i saw some squawkers in a pubbie match it was 2 ddc and 2 rvn3L.

lol

Last time I saw some pubbies in a match, they ran off in random directions and got picked apart one by one. We could have been running trial mechs and still roflstomped them.

Edited by Narcisoldier, 09 January 2013 - 11:03 AM.

[Grraarrgghh]

Novawrecker, on 09 January 2013 - 10:59 AM, said:

Aww, the WoW comment hit to close to home for you? Instead of complaining how ECM is "too difficult" for your fragile mind. Find ways to defeat it. MANY have done it, once you start thinking outside that lil box of yours, you will too.

It's impossible to defeat! You're just mad because when PGI finally REALIZES that it's OP, you won't be able to roll non-premades like me!

Because without ECM, a PUG-soloist like me will WRECK you.