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[Inertiaman]

Why would microsoft prefer a one-horse race in your opinion?

[Thorqemada]

They (NGNG+PGI) obviously have an excellent relationship and therefore i thought it was quite good that one of their Group complained about being useless in his LRM Stalker facing so much ECM heavy groups.

I feel that the MWLL guys made something outstanding - they have all right to feel proud of it.

[Grraarrgghh]

Perhaps they said that LL could purchase IP rights and they refused. You don't hold IP to not make money with it.

Edited by Grraarrgghh, 16 January 2013 - 07:07 AM.

[Purplefluffybunny]

MaddMaxx, on 16 January 2013 - 07:03 AM, said:

Another person who just doesn't understand how it works.

I know how it works Mr Condescending. Luckily I am still free to disagree with the legal and property 'system' you allude to and voice that opinion. I just hold a different value set to you.

MaddMaxx, on 16 January 2013 - 07:03 AM, said:

Unless someone quotes a IGP rep stating it was them that kill the LL non-commercial, please refrain from senseless bashing of unknown parties.

Go read Maus's earlier post in this thread. At least you can get a quote from one party. Others on the MWLL dev team have said the same. I suggest you ask PGI to clarify it further for you if you don't want to take what others have said on face value.

Edited by Purplefluffybunny, 16 January 2013 - 07:11 AM.

[Grraarrgghh]

Purplefluffybunny, on 16 January 2013 - 07:07 AM, said:

I know how it works Mr Condescending. Luckily I am still free to disagree with the legal and property 'system' you allude to and voice that opinion. I just hold a different value set to you.

Yeah guys! There no such thing as property maaaan.

You can't OWN ideas maaan.

[Dr Rex]

Doesn't IGP own the rights not PGI? If not how can Roadhouse be making MW Tactics with IGP?

[Inertiaman]

Grraarrgghh, on 16 January 2013 - 07:07 AM, said:

Perhaps they said that LL could purchase IP rights and they refused. You don't hold IP to not make money with it.

So they issued a non-commercial licence to someone whom they expected to turn a profit.

Gotcha.

[Grraarrgghh]

Dr Rex, on 16 January 2013 - 07:10 AM, said:

Doesn't IGP own the rights not PGI? If not how can Roadhouse be making MW Tactics with IGP?

In fact, Microsoft owns the rights and IGP is paying licensing to them.

Inertiaman, on 16 January 2013 - 07:11 AM, said:

So they issued a non-commercial licence to someone whom they expected to turn a profit.

Gotcha.

You're being purposely obtuse, or you're just stupid.

Of course MS revoked the non-commercial license they had granted for a property with no monetary competitor once a monetary competitor entered the equation. MWLL had to know it would happen eventually.

And if they didn't, they were either naive or stupid.

Edited by Grraarrgghh, 16 January 2013 - 07:14 AM.

[Purplefluffybunny]

Grraarrgghh, on 16 January 2013 - 07:08 AM, said:

Yeah guys! There no such thing as property maaaan.

You can't OWN ideas maaan.

Reductio ad absurdum is the appropriate response to the above comment, I feel.

[SJ SCP Wolf]

Grraarrgghh, on 16 January 2013 - 07:04 AM, said:

Man you people need to get some real life **** to care about rather than internet drama.

LL was terrible and unbalanced with crappy animation like 99% of all total conversion mods. Microsoft revoked their FREE license.

Get over it.

According the forums and your statements, MWO isn't very balanced either. M$ did no such thing, but keep on keepin on. Why be right when it's so easy to be wrong?

[Ghogiel]

MaddMaxx, on 16 January 2013 - 07:03 AM, said:

Another person who just doesn't understand how it works. If it were your many many millions of dollars on the table, I would guess you would also not be so quick to let the Freebee folks carry on. As noted else where, the non-commercial was granted by MS and thus it would be them that would have to revoke it. If the LL crew were to ask IGP, perhaps some discussions could be had.

Unless someone quotes a IGP rep stating it was them that kill the LL non-commercial, please refrain from senseless bashing of unknown parties.

P.S. No...wait, This is the internet. One doesn't have to know anything on here, least being the facts or truth. My bad. Carry on.

Another person who doesn't know.

Quoting could end badly for certain people involved.

[Vassago Rain]

bug3at3r, on 16 January 2013 - 07:03 AM, said:

...really? Thats your angle?

Even for a troll you're stretching. What you just described is damn near every video game journalist out there. Does PGI also own PC Gamer?

I'm not saying they bought a lot of praise for their quite obviously not finished game, and that they didn't pay extra to hype features that won't be in for a very long, or that hawken did the same, but...

They both paid a lot of money for their reviews.

[saber15]

Grraarrgghh, on 16 January 2013 - 07:04 AM, said:

Man you people need to get some real life **** to care about rather than internet drama.

LL was terrible and unbalanced with crappy animation like 99% of all total conversion mods. Microsoft revoked their FREE license.

Get over it.

You're perfectly OK with a million-dollar company killing off a game (which isn't even a source of competition - MWLL had like 150 players on at once at the height of its popularity).
People have worked on MWLL for SIX YEARS. It's created careers and it restored faith in the MechWarrior franchise, which was long dead when MWLL came out.

Grraarrgghh, on 16 January 2013 - 07:07 AM, said:

Perhaps they said that LL could purchase IP rights and they refused. You don't hold IP to not make money with it.

If anyone on the MWLL team had a couple million dollars, they might have. But MWLL was made on a budget of probably $1000 tops (for software).

[Grraarrgghh]

SJ SCP Wolf, on 16 January 2013 - 07:13 AM, said:

According the forums and your statements, MWO isn't very balanced either. M$ did no such thing, but keep on keepin on. Why be right when it's so easy to be wrong?

Because it gets grognards all mouth-frothy and indignant.

[thalamus]

Some impressions.









And finally something we'll probably never experience anymore:

[Star Captain Obvious Kerensky]

It's not that PGI/MS couldn't have killed MW:LL, that was in their right, and the MW:LL knew this might happen as soon as MW:O was announced.

The real tragedy here is that PGI didn't need to. The games are so radically different they could both exist and not really compete with each other, just pull more people into the Btech universe.

[M4NTiC0R3X]

Business is business, can we move on now please?

[Scandinavian Jawbreaker]

My support to the anarchist socialist internet fighters. Even if your efforts are futile.

[MaddMaxx]

Purplefluffybunny, on 16 January 2013 - 07:07 AM, said:

I know how it works Mr Condescending. Luckily I am still free to disagree with the legal and property 'system' you allude to and voice that opinion. I just hold a different value set to you.

Go read Maus's earlier post in this thread. At least you can get a quote from one party. Others on the MWLL dev team have said the same. I suggest you ask PGI to clarify it further for you if you don't want to take what others have said on face value.

I read the Post from the LL Dev group. It stated the owners of their Dev Team cancelled it. Who owns the LL Dev group?

As point of interest. It is not condescending to point out another failings. It is, though, in poor taste to somehow feel slighted, but that is the usual response from one who knows the other party is very likely correct in the assessment provided.

As I noted already. Carry on with the Internet way...

[Grraarrgghh]

Grraarrgghh, on 16 January 2013 - 07:11 AM, said:

Of course MS revoked the non-commercial license they had granted for a property with no monetary competitor once a monetary competitor entered the equation. MWLL had to know it would happen eventually.

And if they didn't, they were either naive or stupid.