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[Agent of Change]

siLve00, on 22 January 2013 - 05:28 AM, said:

Guys are you all totaly stupid ?
We have 2 ECM QQ threads and now a LRM QQ thread ? Wtf is wrong with all of you ?

Actually like the current light mech thread we the proud opposition in the spirit of "oh god another one of these threads" have co-oped this thread. No longer is it a LRM QQ thread, it has been for several pages an LRM LOVE thread with vague and uncomfortable potentially romantic undertones....

[Bguk]

siLve00, on 22 January 2013 - 05:28 AM, said:

Guys are you all totaly stupid ?
We have 2 ECM QQ threads and now a LRM QQ thread ? Wtf is wrong with all of you ?

Agent of Change, on 22 January 2013 - 05:34 AM, said:

Actually like the current light mech thread we the proud opposition in the spirit of "oh god another one of these threads" have co-oped this thread. No longer is it a LRM QQ thread, it has been for several pages an LRM LOVE thread with vague and uncomfortable potentially romantic undertones....

Agent states it very nicely. I would also like to add I am superiorly stupider than the stupidest of stupid.

[Havyek]

Bguk, on 22 January 2013 - 06:31 AM, said:

Agent states it very nicely. I would also like to add I am superiorly stupider than the stupidest of stupid.

I didn't understand that, so therefore I beat you.


And it's OP.

[siLve00]

Agent of Change, on 22 January 2013 - 05:34 AM, said:

Actually like the current light mech thread we the proud opposition in the spirit of "oh god another one of these threads" have co-oped this thread. No longer is it a LRM QQ thread, it has been for several pages an LRM LOVE thread with vague and uncomfortable potentially romantic undertones....

forgive me then... i normaly just read the 1st post.. and skip everything else.. since 99% of the time there are flames or even more QQ.

Edited by siLve00, 22 January 2013 - 06:39 AM.

[Agent of Change]

siLve00, on 22 January 2013 - 06:37 AM, said:

forgive me then... i normaly just read the 1st post.. and skip everything else.. since 99% of the time there are flames or even more QQ.

well that is perfectly understandable, but I think this is gonna have to be the best response to every dead horse thread. make lemonade... if we can't make them stop we can at least enjoy them.

[AlexWildeagle]

Roadbuster, on 21 January 2013 - 11:24 PM, said:

No AMS at all is even worse. And many people don't use it because "someone will have ECM".
If you're together with some teammates that also use AMS, you don't even have to worry about some LRMs coming your way.

And what's ammusing about using cover? Nobody tells you to stay there the whole game. You use it to hide from incomming missiles and to be save while closing in on the opponents.
And if the LRM boat is sitting on a hill waiting for you to come out and not shooting at other mechs, it's useless and just wasting ammo. Especially nice if they fire alot of missiles per volley and they all miss.

All maps provide enough cover for a mech to move around and break target or hiding from incomming missiles.
If someone is stupid enough to chase a mech out in the open where the LRMs can rain down on him...

I get killed very very rarely by LRMs. And many of my builds are short range.

Except in PUGs you can't count on a lot of AMS. I don't use them anymore because they are useless against the LRM boats out there (against them a little isn't better then nothing). I don't count on ECM cause in PUGland it's hardly used, I'll break out the spider with it on occasion but not often.
All maps do provide cover, on that you are correct, but every map has a position where an LRM boat can sit and rule. The only way to get to it is to leave cover and charge it, which usually ends the same way.
It's kind of funny how some of you oversimplify this and think you're fooling someone. Maybe some of the newbs buy this but I've done every map too many times, I played missiles boats and know where the choke points are and where I can have a field day with hardly any damage to my mech at all. Every map has multiple areas where you can sit and have lots of open terrain just waiting for someone to be silly enough to wander out into.
Now in a PUG match with zero coordination an LRM boat can be a liability but in a premade group LRM boats make it rain death to no end. When premades dropped in 4's I would just hang near their LRM boats and provide supporting fire. Matches ended quickly.

[Bguk]

AlexWildeagle, on 22 January 2013 - 06:48 AM, said:

All maps do provide cover, on that you are correct, but every map has a position where an LRM boat can sit and rule. The only way to get to it is to leave cover and charge it, which usually ends the same way.
It's kind of funny how some of you oversimplify this and think you're fooling someone. Maybe some of the newbs buy this but I've done every map too many times, I played missiles boats and know where the choke points are and where I can have a field day with hardly any damage to my mech at all. Every map has multiple areas where you can sit and have lots of open terrain just waiting for someone to be silly enough to wander out into.

This is dead wrong. If you stated it, "There are spots on every map where a mech in the open will get pounded with LRMs" anyone would agree. I'll give one instance for each map where cover can be had. Caustic: Full cover around the caldera. Forest: Tunnel. River City: All the buildings in upper or lower city. Frozen: Tunnel. This and movement will completely negate LRMs on each said map. Now, this game is not one on one so one does have to think about the other 7 mechs out there.

I think I named the Forest map wrong.

[Ashnod]

LRM's are god awful ATM, if your seriously having problems with them.. And with a light.. You need to rework your play style and planning, lights are almost immune to LRM's because of there speed and was of ability to get behind cover

[Serapth]

Bguk, on 22 January 2013 - 06:54 AM, said:

This is dead wrong. If you stated it, "There are spots on every map where a mech in the open will get pounded with LRMs" anyone would agree. I'll give one instance for each map where cover can be had. Caustic: Full cover around the caldera. Forest: Tunnel. River City: All the buildings in upper or lower city. Frozen: Tunnel. This and movement will completely negate LRMs on each said map. Now, this game is not one on one so one does have to think about the other 7 mechs out there.

I think I named the Forest map wrong.

I would say Caustic is about the only map where LRMs can rule. If a team wanted to, they could park pure LRM boats on the hill beside their home base and there is a killing zone that even a light mech couldn't bridge in time before getting at least one shot in.

That said, nobody does this, because nobody plays defensively, which for the record, is epically stupid. I really dont understand why everyone is in such a hurry on River city, to leave the easily defended upper base to go to the much less defensible and easy to get rolled upper city. I understand why people starting lower push through the lower city, that point is a crap place to defend, but up top, who willingly gives up higher ground for no apparent gain?

Pretty much everyone actually... which is a shame as I dont know that I've ever lost a match where people chose to defend.



Then again, like many things, the invisibility shield OP nature of ECM has somewhat ruined, well just about every tactic.

[OldChieftain]

Immelmann, on 21 January 2013 - 06:55 AM, said:

umm, ecm? lrm problem solved

You an Idoit? not every mech can carry ECM, which needs to change BTW....

Termius, on 21 January 2013 - 06:58 AM, said:

I love being that clown. I feel bad for the poor atlas without ECM, but watching his health drop by 10% per volley brings me great satisfaction. If you can't find cover when the enemy has a LRM boat you deserve to be hit by all those missiles.

Of course ECM will ruin my day, but I have my Hunchback to solve that problem

Once again the maps are poorly designed with out thought to the weapons, there is no map except river city or the 3 line of caustic where you can advance with out being exposed to lrm fire for longer then your armor can take it. Face it the Devs have badly handled the lrm issue.

Edited by MrNemo, 27 January 2013 - 10:34 AM.

[OldChieftain]

Thorqemada, on 21 January 2013 - 07:07 AM, said:

A Light that gets hit and destroyed by LRM...well...that one probably plays a different game or mistakes SRM for LRM.

I simply does not happen to an at least slightly experienced pilot!

Really? the stalker 5M can carry 5 missle units 4 lrm 15's and an lrm 20 is common. 65 missles per trigger pull can easily one shot a raven.

[OldChieftain]

Taizan, on 21 January 2013 - 07:20 AM, said:

I love the mech pilots who think they are completely immune to LRMs because of ECM. From that first gentle touch with my acquisition gear to the full impact of my crushing cascade. I really do have much love for them, it is mesmerizing to see my love fly to them, embrace and engulf them in fiery fireworks of passion.

Especially lights, when they try to evade my love messages with their speed, but then instead of running into cover, they rather turn their beautiful back side to my dozens of amorous touches, reaching out for them, bundling together for an ecstatic finale.

Yep an ***** with a florid prose habit....douche. Speed should let you outrun a barrage, the damn things track way too much. I want a canon righteous game.

[OldChieftain]

BritishJesus, on 21 January 2013 - 07:35 AM, said:

Because the only play style that should be allowed is the OP's? There's several things that affect how effective LRM's are. I'm sorry you don't know how to take advantage of cover, AMS, and ECM. LRM's are not that over powered if you know what you're doing.

You are a moron. There is no effective cover except in the 3 line of caustic or river city that allows anything other then hiding bhind it without moving. I would love ecm why isn't it available for my Awsome? AMS? please versus a 65 LRM stonk that means only 60 will hit.... 3 volleys and even an assault is hors de combat. You keep using cover but I don't think that word mans what you think it does.....

[Voodoo Circus]

what a bad mannered stupid excuse of a post you made here OP
from what you say we can grasp that you dont even understand how the game works but still come to this forum
to spill this self-entitled crap

learn the ropes fist

PS: this is not TT

[OldChieftain]

Karenai, on 21 January 2013 - 12:58 PM, said:

Concerning LRMs not beeing "all that powerfull" in books and TT.
Was Ulric Kerensky not killed in an ambush using multiple LRM boats using TAG?

LRM are ok right now, if you die from them: USE COVER! ECM IS NOT COVER! USE AMS! WITH AMMO!

The only thing slightly op is 750m TAG range, 450m was about right imho, but maybe all changes with new modules.

Also, OP drives an ER-PPC Awesome, 'nough said. (says so in annother post)

True....And very close to canon my awesome is.....or was, due to the conditions I had to drop down to regular ppc's (just a pair, and get a handful of med lasers for the lag bugs....I am sure that the netcode will work correctly at one point and I can go back to a TR standard Awesome 8Q build. But no I don't don't deny I am an Awesome pilot.....Double entendre intended.

ProtoformX, on 21 January 2013 - 03:33 PM, said:

This thread is bad and wrong. BAD AND WRONG.

I demand a dislike button.

[Redacted]

Edited by Egomane, 28 January 2013 - 06:07 AM.
CoC Violation

[OldChieftain]

Kanaric, on 21 January 2013 - 03:57 PM, said:

For the OP: Stop whining.

1. This isn't 4Chan -peoples names are right there on the left of the screen not OP.... 2. Forums are where what you call whining belongs. [Redacted]

Yokaiko, on 21 January 2013 - 03:59 PM, said:

LRMs boaters are the easiest things to counter.

Every map has spots where they HAVE to close to target you and the best spotter can't tank 7 mechs blasting away at him.

Use cover.

Seriously, there is INSUFFICIENT cover on the POORLY designed MAPS. Pardon the yelling but you seem ******** thought it might help.

Yiazmat, on 21 January 2013 - 06:45 PM, said:

What year is it? 3050 something? I think that since, today in 2013, we have missiles that can fly from a ship in the Gulf of Mexico and go through some dudes window a 1000 MILES away, I think it's safe to say that in the year 3050, we could fire a cluster of guided missiles a 1000 METERS away and hit the torso of a machine that's 10-20 meters wide.

Quit crying and L2P.

Apparently this ***** has never read ANY of the source material.....[Redacted]

Abivard, on 21 January 2013 - 07:26 PM, said:

Skill, it really does exist and it will make the difference.
If you lack skill it is harder to kill and to stay alive.

Player says LRM's kill me but I can't kill anyone with LRM's means it is the player not the LRM's that needs adjustment.

Never said that....[Redacted]

Edited by Egomane, 28 January 2013 - 06:06 AM.
Had to clean up several CoC violations

[OldChieftain]

Voodoo Circus, on 27 January 2013 - 10:17 AM, said:

what a bad mannered stupid excuse of a post you made here OP
from what you say we can grasp that you dont even understand how the game works but still come to this forum
to spill this self-entitled crap

learn the ropes fist

PS: this is not TT

Considering this was labled for the DEVs and your aren't one, who is feeling self entitled? What a mor on. And TT is where the hard core fans who bring money to the game will come from...Did you think they did this for free just for you?

[Lukoi Banacek]

Honestly, with my small stable of 16 owned mechs, not one has LRM equipped. And LRM boats (Mechs with the preponderance or all slots being LRM) are one trick ponies. They are sacrificing a great deal of flexibility to play a very specific role. A role that people can counter multiple ways. I don't see the current incarnation of LRM's being game breaking in the slightest. That's in regular matches, 8v8s etc.

[Crawford]

AlexWildeagle, on 21 January 2013 - 12:16 PM, said:

AMS, great for LRM5's and LRM10's a volley at a time. Simo volleys of 15s and 20s, not so much or at all.

^This,

For me, being hit by a massive volley from an LRM boat sitting at the back playing easy mode is the single most annoying aspect of the game so far. It's possible to avoid, obviously, but we've all been caught by it more than once and it's just sad.

[Dashiell Hammett]

I made the rare move of logging in just to applaud the OP. It is rare in this day an age to see this level of brainless drivel, ad hominem attacks, and poorly considered arguments in one place on the internet.Bravo to you sir, bravo.

P.S. Loads of cover on the non watery side of the forest maps, plenty of buildings to soak up missles on the frozen maps.