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[Voidsinger]

I think a lot of people complaining need to look at some other much larger software corporations before they go too hard on PGI.

Microsoft: How long have people been dealing with Windows and Office bugs far more serious than game bugs?

Apple: Hmmm, Siri (or whatever). GPS software that takes you to nowhere.

Because these items are "must-haves", people put up with far worse flaws than we do in a game from a small company.

PGI is doing okay. We question some choices they make, but they are more game balance and player enjoyment choices, not so much technical. They are trying to fix things though, and that makes a difference.

[StalaggtIKE]

Garth Erlam, on 22 January 2013 - 02:49 PM, said:

Is that seriously what you got from that sentence?

Inference, man. Guy with 1000 posts says something on the forums in the heat of anger - happens all the time, guy cools down, we talk, he says sorry I was pissed or whatever, we move on.
Guy with zero posts goes to the forum, goes to suggestions, and says "I find 'x' really hard to deal with." Does it mean we CARE MORE about this guy? No. It's the fact he made his one and only comment, ever, and it's struggling with something. This means a 100% 'argh, I can't 'y'!" of his posts.

The idea we don't care about you guys is ludicrous - I send massive emails WEEKLY to design and engineering FULL of all of your suggestions. Hell, Thomas was sitting in the forums PMing a guy who was getting a bug, and then figured out how to fix it. If we didn't care, why would he even bother?

Seeing your posts, or any developer's of PGI, is reassuring. I used to look forward to the Developers' Corner, however it has been pretty barren for a while. As others have said more communication.

Edited by StalaggtIKE, 22 January 2013 - 06:42 PM.

[POOTYTANGASAUR]

Paran01ac, on 22 January 2013 - 03:03 PM, said:

I'm waiting for DX11 for a really long time, so for fixing memory leaks, 4 fps bug and CTDs.

• Also fixing all the bugs listed in the known issues of the previous patches and current.

• Also make streaks lose lock after each volley and vastly nerf ECM.

• Also make everything destructible on the levels.

• And add laser wounds, AC rounds craters and missile scratches when the mech gets damaged.

And why legs of the light mechs are still getting damaged, you said you are going to fix it?

And give me my Timber Wolf already

totally destructible levels in beta stages would be difficult and with trying to let lower end gamers play this would **** on them they need to ensure overall performance is stable before adding more stress to it

[TB Freelancer]

I wonder if the OP even realizes his proportion previous attitude and the group he's tied to is precisely what puts him in on PGI's "this guys onions are worthless" list....

...seriously. If you wan't to be taken seriously, have your thoughts carry any weight at all, then childish out of proportion grandstanding is the surest way to ensure it will never happen.

[DrVulcan]

(runs off to buy more MC to support the game, I needed more for that new hero mech anyway)


- Not all of us are unhappy, I think that they are doing a great job, so do the other RL people that I play this game with.

[miscreant]

Fenix0742, on 22 January 2013 - 02:23 PM, said:

From Ask a Dev 30: I can’t tell you how many people complain, yet play dozens if not hundreds of matches a day, and spend significant amounts of money. I generally don’t take it to heart any more, especially when comments come from someone who has 100s or 1000s of posts.

I'm tired of being told "soon." I'm tired of devs backing out of stated deadlines. I'm tired of devs answering questions on Reddit instead of here. I'm tired of playing the same 4.3 maps. But mostly I'm tired of not getting the "triple A" experience I was sold last year, only to see week after week, month after month of no change in Netcode, stability (4 fps bug, client hanging on shutdown, no DX11 to utilize my modern GPU) and no Community Warfare (90 days after Open Beta).

Apparently the only way to reach them is decreased profits and lower playercounts. I beg you: if you're not satisfied please stop playing daily, and stop buying MC. You vote with your wallet, not your post history. I vow from now on to only play on patch day to see if the game has SIGNIFICANTLY improved.

If you are satisfied by your MWO experience, by all means continue to play and enjoy. No one is trying to hinder your fun here. But if you're not happy, give them something to think about, and join me in finding something less disappointing to spend our precious free time.

100% with you on this - I won't be buying ANY MC until we have many more maps to play on.

I hope others follow suit, it truly is the only way to get through to them.

Obviously most people are satisfied with mediocrity.

How long have we been fighting that HUD bug and 4fps bug? How many maps do we have?...COME ON!

Edited by miscreant, 22 January 2013 - 07:14 PM.

[Mike Silva]

miscreant, on 22 January 2013 - 07:13 PM, said:

I hope others follow suit, it truly is the only way to get through to them.

It's also the best way to get the project shut down when their more substantial investors decide that this game isn't going to make them any money.

[JayVrb]

I enjoy the game, don't get me wrong. And I have offered my support to participate in closed beta. I haven't given triple digits like some of the more dedicated (or frivolous, however you choose to look at it) fans, but that doesn't mean I'm any less of a fan. Dollar amounts don't equal fan-dom.

Nevertheless, the game is not in a current state to warrant me spending any more money on it. Call me frugal or whatever you'd like, it's not that I can't afford it I just allocate my funds to other things, activities, hobbies, bills, whatevers (the video game industry has enough of my money already). I'm not all that familiar with the F2P business model to begin with, so I keep my coins close until I come to a better understanding of it.

I am skeptical to believe that "us" not buying MC will alter their agendas or rearrange their priorities... mainly because the "us" isn't big enough, plain and simple. There's too many people out there that continue to sink hours upon hours into this game and the prices that mechs, skins, "flare", and all other things are at are already enough for them to make a hefty buck off even < 50% of the player base.

I continue to support this game, but I don't have to pay money to necessarily support something; there is a myriad of other ways to do that.

[UnseenFury]

StalaggtIKE, on 22 January 2013 - 06:33 PM, said:

OMG, did they died?

Welcome to the Internet.

[Skaroth]

Vrbas, on 22 January 2013 - 05:52 PM, said:

Umm, ok.

Good thing we can fix such an economic issue here at MWO. And I'm glad we have pseudo patriots like you who know how to "fight the machine." See you on the battlefield fellow soldier!

Indeed, I play a game so that I can avoid thinking about the real **** for a while. People using their rage on a company that is freely (you can choose to use or not) offering their entertainment product demonstrates the inane entitlement society we have. If we could only get this kind of emotion when central banks and governments "quantitatively eased" our tax dollars into their accounts, we'd be in a much better place.

"Pseudo patriot"... lol

[Termius]

I enjoy playing this game, and each patch tends to add something new to gameplay. One thing I really hate is when people complain about "New Mechs" being released reather then netcode fixes ect. For one the graphics designers are not coders, so they are doing their job, and for two every new mech adds one more element to gameplay. I love seeing variety on the battlefield, it makes each match different and unique, regardless of whether you win or lose.

I support the devs and what they are doing, and I can only hope for more content to this already fun game.

[Jason1138]

the new ask the devs basically says flat out if you complain but still play or still buy MC that they're just going to ignore you. Ditto if you have lots of forum posts

MWO is one step away from openly mocking the playerbase right now, if you want to keep paying them to do that then nothing is ever going to change

[Comguard]

Read OP's post. Realized the ask-the-devs-answers were online. And I was shocked:

ECM: "Yeah, we're looking into it."
Community Warfare: "Well, somewhere 2013. End, Middle, who knows."
Collisions: "They will return - sometime. Juli, September, December - stay tuned."

Every answer was a non-answer.

Why did they introduce their Command Chair and their timeline at all? They were just able to keep it going for a couple of weeks, and now they don't even try to meet deadlines.

Edited by Comguard, 23 January 2013 - 07:18 AM.

[AlexWildeagle]

Well after answer #30 I am not paying anymore cash into this game. Not sure if I can quit playing, but I'm sure I can quit paying!

[JayVrb]

Skaroth, on 23 January 2013 - 07:11 AM, said:

Indeed, I play a game so that I can avoid thinking about the real **** for a while. People using their rage on a company that is freely (you can choose to use or not) offering their entertainment product demonstrates the inane entitlement society we have. If we could only get this kind of emotion when central banks and governments "quantitatively eased" our tax dollars into their accounts, we'd be in a much better place.

"Pseudo patriot"... lol

Sure, it would be nice if we could get fired up about more important things, I whole-heartedly agree with you. But really? You think a discussion about politics is going to go ANYWHERE here? You went from my post about "I'm not going to give anymore money to PGI because I'm not satisfied with the game" to "zOmFgaawd you should be rebelling against teh banks and the bat-fart insane evil government that is taking away your rights!1!1!!!" -- that is textbook trolling.

I'm glad you're political, intellectual, and know SO much about the world that operates outside of this MWO bubble, but I don't come to MWO to talk politics (and I doubt most of us do). If you wanna debate politics, send me a private message instead of trolling/hijacking a public thread, there's a civil way to do that. Still don't know what audience you are really trying to target here. And why you feel it necessary to condescend to people you think know nothing outside of MWO *shrugs*

[bantapoo]

People ignore what a development cycle is. These guys are not programming a windows form with couple of textboxes...
Between implementation and QA, 2 weeks patches and 1 day hotfixes are exceptionally good for any commercial game.
What's with people and their instant gratification thinking,, is that the 21th century plague?

[Skaroth]

Vrbas, on 23 January 2013 - 07:41 AM, said:

Sure, it would be nice if we could get fired up about more important things, I whole-heartedly agree with you. But really? You think a discussion about politics is going to go ANYWHERE here? You went from my post about &quot;I'm not going to give anymore money to PGI because I'm not satisfied with the game&quot; to &quot;zOmFgaawd you should be rebelling against teh banks and the bat-fart insane evil government that is taking away your rights!1!1!!!&quot; -- that is textbook trolling.

I'm glad you're political, intellectual, and know SO much about the world that operates outside of this MWO bubble, but I don't come to MWO to talk politics (and I doubt most of us do). If you wanna debate politics, send me a private message instead of trolling/hijacking a public thread, there's a civil way to do that. Still don't know what audience you are really trying to target here. And why you feel it necessary to condescend to people you think know nothing outside of MWO *shrugs*

Hardly a troll, merely highlighting perspective.

[Windies]

Comguard, on 23 January 2013 - 07:18 AM, said:

Read OP's post. Realized the ask-the-devs-answers were online. And I was shocked:

ECM: "Yeah, we're looking into it."
Community Warfare: "Well, somewhere 2013. End, Middle, who knows."
Collisions: "They will return - sometime. Juli, September, December - stay tuned."

Every answer was a non-answer.

Why did they introduce their Command Chair and their timeline at all? They were just able to keep it going for a couple of weeks, and now they don't even try to meet deadlines.

That's kind of how I feel. I applaud the intent to increase communication, I really do. A lot of the answers though were blanket statements and vague responses. What actual information was really in this Ask The Devs? Most of it was either "It's under review" or "We're thinking about it" or We don't know", all worded as vaguely as possible to give the reader's imagination the means with which to stretch the obvious. Seems like that is what is happening to.

[Rutok]

Particle Man, on 22 January 2013 - 02:39 PM, said:

Boo hoo, they missed a deadline. I would rather they miss deadlines for weeks than have to deal with the shitestorm that would happen due to whatever they added that wasnt ready and was in a broken state. People ***** about ECM like it just ***** their mother, and that is fairly close to how they want it to work. Imagine if they added something that was fully exploitable or truely game breaking for the majority of people, rather than some random hud bug that affects people occasionally? The forums would be on fire and garth would be dangling in a supply closet from his belt


if you dont like the speed that they're developing it, take a break for a few weeks/months and come back to it and see if it's fixed. Slow and working is better than fast and broken

I find this pretty funny. Have you played the game at all?

They DO miss deadlines pretty much all the time. If it cant be bought with MC you can be shure it will be delayed.
They DO add broken and half finished things all the time.
Thats why the forums are what they are.
And while they shure have the "slow" part of development down to a fine art, they still need to look up "working" on wikipedia every time.

[Alex Warden]

oO you still don´t get WHY they stop responding to the forums as they did before the "OBT flood"...you still don´t get why they start to ignore many of the "vocal" whiners (better say aggressive, negative and sometimes insulting i***ts)...you still don´t get that they in fact still read the forums and listen to people who tend to argue reasonably... and you seem to still not get that they work on every single issue there is to work on... and no matter what PGI would do, in which form they would communicate...even if we could watch them 24/7, people would still come up with the same accusations...

instead of trying to be a "revolutionary leader" in a beta forum, how about changing the world to a better place IRL?

IRL, where you get everything you want, immediatly served on a silver tablet... where every company and every person only lives to your demand... where everything is perfect as you want it to be...

oh and just FYI: as soon as my next monthly payment is on my account... guess what?^^

Edited by Alex Warden, 23 January 2013 - 08:23 AM.