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[Rejarial Galatan]

DeeSaster, on 24 January 2013 - 05:48 AM, said:

The amount of prejudice in this (and the others like this) thread is mind-boggling.

3rd person view will NOT render more, then you would be able to see out of your cockpit. Plus you very likely CAN VOTE NOT TO PLAY WITH 3RD PERSON VIEWERS in the matchmaker.

Listen to the NGNG podcast in question and stop the uninformed rambling, guys...

the simple fact they cannot implement such a view with out it being abused makes ANY argument PGI or IGP could even remotely consider for actually putting in a fundamentally altering and game breaking camera view into the game a MOOT argument from them. This is not uninformed bias on our parts, this is us screaming at the top of our lungs that PGI would shatter a KEY design pillar to pander to the lowest common denominator because they are too baffled by a very simple mechanic, one you use every single day in REAL LIFE.

[SilentObserver]

No, no, no, no, NO!

the whole torso twist thing is really not that bad. folks need to learn it. you have hud graphics and radar to reorient if you get confused.

No third person

[Rejarial Galatan]

SilentObserver, on 24 January 2013 - 04:02 PM, said:

No, no, no, no, NO!

the whole torso twist thing is really not that bad. folks need to learn it. you have hud graphics and radar to reorient if you get confused.

No third person

they do this when walking down the street talking to someone or driving a car and merging into traffic, yet, in MWO they seem baffled to the point of shut down by this same mechanic they employ day to day in real life....

[Tennex]

i don't see why not. they are trying to bring in new players. and we are trying to get more players for community warfare

[MongerMan]

Absolutely NO!!!!

[JSparrowist]

NO 3rd PERSON! NO NO NO!

[Jyaksus]

If you're saying 'No' to 3rd person view, and you call yourself a mechwarrior fan, you should go wash your hands, your face, and the inside of your mouth with soap.

There is always a catch. Make it a module, or possibly equipment with whatever weight, slot, or ammunition requirement you think would 'rebalance' being able to see your own mech from outside.

How is this SUCH a critical balance issue? Okay, you can see behind you, or to the sides, or WHATEVER. Who cares? That doesn't really upset the balance in knowing your surroundings by more than a second or two of reaction time, and if you're paying a cost for those one or two seconds, it becomes instantly balanced. To obtain any target locks, or share information with other players, you still have to keep them visible for the mech itself.

Make it an AMS slot option, you can have AMS, or you can have unmanned camera drones that circle your mech. Say 5 drones per ton of ammo, and they can be shot down with a few MG bullets so if it's SOOOOOO overpowered to be able to alter your viewpoint, smart players would just keep an MG handy and solve the problem.

You can't target lock, you can't obtain sensor data, just plain old visual processing.

Stop whining so much and think outside the box.

[CrashieJ]

every time ComMods decide to wipe the thread of this, we'll just make another one with a good 5000 "No's" and keep doing it until the end of time

No to 3rd person, it just feels stupid.

[Rejarial Galatan]

Tennex, on 24 January 2013 - 04:15 PM, said:

i don't see why not. they are trying to bring in new players. and we are trying to get more players for community warfare

3rd person will COST them more players than it will earn them.

[JSparrowist]

Jyaksus, on 24 January 2013 - 04:19 PM, said:

Stop whining so much and think outside the box.

I am thinking that the MW:O community, in part, has demonstrated that it will abuse ANY mechanic added to the game that potentially gives them an unfair advantage with total disregard to the damage they're causing to the game and community. Being able to see around corners or over hills just doesn't seem right and I can't think of how PGI could implement such a view without it being used for a tactical advantage. r`tards that can't deal with torso twist need to either learn how to deal with it or find another game to play.

No no no to 3rd person!

[BunnyWabbit]

Meh I voted yes but only if you cant actually fire your weapons. Third person would make building "MechaShiva" significantly easier and would also be nice to position for different sniping spots and what not. If you could fire in third person it would be gamebreaking but if you couldnt fire I could see it being useful without completely destroying the basic mechanics. Sadly even if you get 5000 more "no's" thats still a drop in the bucket compared to the registered users.

[Jyaksus]

Tennex, on 24 January 2013 - 04:15 PM, said:

i don't see why not. they are trying to bring in new players. and we are trying to get more players for community warfare

Staunchly agree.

Improve the game, don't prevent features being put in because it upsets the way YOU like to play. Did you cry when they wanted to add ECM, too? Or is there some kind of difference that I'm not aware of?

[HiplyRustic]

[Eddrick]

NO! Only if it can done in a way that doesn't give any kind of advantage over first person view.

[Xanadar]

Jyaksus, on 24 January 2013 - 04:32 PM, said:

Staunchly agree.

Improve the game, don't prevent features being put in because it upsets the way YOU like to play. Did you cry when they wanted to add ECM, too? Or is there some kind of difference that I'm not aware of?

Sorry, what?!

It's nothing to do with the way 'I', 'Them', 'You' want to play. It's to do with the fundamental fact that it will have a huge impact on how the game is viewed and played. Putting in a 3rd person PoV would be a huge advantage and make it a neccessity for everyone. You could never consider it to be optional as it just flat out wouldn't be.

Comparing it to ECM isn't even a valid comparison anyway, ECM can and arguably should have worked differently to how it has been implemented. 3rd person PoV doesn't share that. You can't balance around PoV's and that itself would break the game. ECM isn't game breaking, it's just irritating but can be fixed so we put up with it for now.

If they want to create seperate modes for 1st person and 3rd then yeah they can crack on, it just means we will get less content coz they'll have to deal with more graphic glitches and whatever other mess it will pop up. Not to mention a completely different set of complaints about how it affects playstyle and loadouts.

No thanks, they can keep their 3rd person, I'd want it simply for Screenshotting my mech so yeah in some kind of sandbox environment as others have said would be fine.

Pretending it's to help out new players is also pretty lame, there are a million ways to help new players without introducing a game splitting feature. That reasoning is just a massive cop out. I can deal with all the other stuff that goes wrong, or bugs, or breaks during the Beta. 3rd person is the only thing I've read that would just flat out **** me off!

[SouthernRex]

When it reaches an extremely high number, screen shot it. Start posting it everywhere. Make it peoples' signature.

[Gremlich Johns]

Jyaksus, on 24 January 2013 - 04:19 PM, said:

If you're saying 'No' to 3rd person view, and you call yourself a mechwarrior fan, you should go wash your hands, your face, and the inside of your mouth with soap.

......

Stop whining so much and think outside the box.

Mongo think your arguments specious and that you not know anything about anything but 3PV, like mariocart or F-zero, and not like lose games.

Mongo sad you have such ego and wonder how you learn to drive

Start whining, mate, and get used to FFP and become truly competitve. Or fail - your choice.

Edited by Gremlich Johns, 24 January 2013 - 05:02 PM.

[Claw55]

3rd person has always been detrimental to the MechWarrior experience, and it would be no different here. So No. Never. Amen.

[Uzi Foo]

I don't want 3'rd person camera in this game. Can only lead to exploiting.

[NocturnalBeast]

No! People who want 3rd person, please go play a different game and leave MWO alone.