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[Dmitri Valenov]

So I was running some matches this morning with a good bunch of guys on the Comstar Relay TS server, and we drop in to this match in River city: Night. There is some great brawling going on in the upper city and my poor Centurion is getting hit pretty hard. We manage to pull it together and take out all but one of the other team with only 3 losses and one guy starts talking about "Premade BS".

Well, we tell him that we are just 4 guys that joined up on a free TS server at random and he was welcome to do the same. So then he starts spouting that using a third party service like TS is an exploit.

An Exploit?!? Really? In that case, every Call of Duty, Battlefield 3, Counterstrike, and Team Fortress player is an exploiter. Yet nobody bats an eye when they get owned by a coordinated team in those games. Why then, is it an exploit in MWO?

/sigh

Oh well, guess I'll just have to live with the fact that I actually want a coordinated team experience in a team based multiplayer game.

Dmitri

P.S. Flame away forum warriors

[MechyMcMecherson]

0/10

[Shismar]

Just point such people to this thread:
http://mwomercs.com/...e-chat-servers/

[Redshift2k5]

Not an exploit. Garth plays in a publicly broadcasted premade group for the promotional Twitch TV events.

If you can't beat 'em, join em.

The real problem is the lack of skill-based matchmaking, not coordinated vs uncoordinated.

[Onyx Rain]

Ok, my first fps experience was america's army online 2 after it had been out for a year so so... Sure people played on TS, but you could get in a lot of games where no one used vent/ts...and that was the norm...but when you go from that experience, and more importantly that mind set the difference ts/vent etc..etc.. makes is a bit jarring.

Very few if any games (I haven't played any) separate those players. But that is just the way it is. Really the only point of complaining is if it is to the Devs...and the people you insult are the people you should be trying to get on your team and speak to the devs too...."Hey devs separate us!!!"

Until then it is pretty hard to hate those people for just wanting to have the fun of playing with their friends, or meeting new people and playing on a coordinated team.

This is the reality...deal with it...or go about trying to change it in a way that might actually work...talk to the devs...don't insult the people.

P.S. When my main PC gets a new hard drive/windows installation I'll be back in game...My laptop can't play this beast past 5fps

Edited by Onyx Rain, 26 January 2013 - 07:36 AM.

[Vassago Rain]

Yes.

[PANZERBUNNY]

People who cry about premades and TS can barely grasp the concept of checkers.

I wouldn't be worried about it if I were you.

They would cry about exploits in "Snakes & Ladders" if they landed on the slides and had to go back to the start.

[Sen]

Don't let it get to you. There are people out there that would say the same thing if they were in a group with a coordinated 4 man drop [for an 8 man team] and still managed to botch the run and lose.

Some people have such a high opinion of themselves they just can't digest the thought of losing. These you must learn to dispatch as quickly and overwhelmingly as possible. If they're busy complaining about "premade BS". . . your team is doing it right

[Moonsavage]

Nice troll post.

People using TS while others aren't have an advantage over them.
It's not an exploit, since it's allowed by the game.

it's just

NOT VERY SPORTING.

[Monsoon]

People talking to each other?! Co-coordinating? Blasphemy!

[PANZERBUNNY]

Those who don't use TS, for some reason, seem to think it's always hard core coordination.

Honestly, many times it's more of a distraction as everyone is laughing and having a good time and you don't notice those 3 mechs that have crept behind your lines.

[whackasnake]

I think its fine i teamed with about 5 of the 8 once also im a scout with ECM which i dont like.

[Mk1Cursed]

Dmitri Valenov, on 26 January 2013 - 07:23 AM, said:

So I was running some matches this morning with a good bunch of guys on the Comstar Relay TS server, and we drop in to this match in River city: Night. There is some great brawling going on in the upper city and my poor Centurion is getting hit pretty hard. We manage to pull it together and take out all but one of the other team with only 3 losses and one guy starts talking about "Premade BS".

Well, we tell him that we are just 4 guys that joined up on a free TS server at random and he was welcome to do the same. So then he starts spouting that using a third party service like TS is an exploit.

An Exploit?!? Really? In that case, every Call of Duty, Battlefield 3, Counterstrike, and Team Fortress player is an exploiter. Yet nobody bats an eye when they get owned by a coordinated team in those games. Why then, is it an exploit in MWO?

/sigh

Oh well, guess I'll just have to live with the fact that I actually want a coordinated team experience in a team based multiplayer game.

Dmitri

P.S. Flame away forum warriors

Could have been me on the end of another 8-0 drubbing soloing against premades this morning.

Teamspeak gives you a massive advantage that is not available to everyone else through the normal game, is that not an "exploit"?

Last time I checked TF2, CS, etal had INTEGRATED voice comms, isn't that fair? Everyone CAN use voice in game without resorting to a 3rd party app?

PGI need to dig themselves out of a hole quick smart because TS *IS* being exploited by premades to smash every game. It's getting really boring really quickly.

You're welcome to your "coordinated team experience" but don't kid yourself that you're leveraging an unfair advantage over most other players.

I really don't understand why PGI didn't sort comms out in Alpha or Closed Beta before inviting the world to experience their broken matchmaking and "team game" that lacks the function for a team to effectively communicate unless they use another program.

[Team Leader]

PANZERBUNNY, on 26 January 2013 - 07:36 AM, said:

People who cry about premades and TS can barely grasp the concept of checkers.

I wouldn't be worried about it if I were you.

They would cry about exploits in "Snakes & Ladders" if they landed on the slides and had to go back to the start.

Lol.
Its not an exploit if they could easily do it too....

[Greyfyl]

Onyx Rain, on 26 January 2013 - 07:34 AM, said:

Until then it is pretty hard to hate those people for just wanting to have the fun of playing with their friends, or meeting new people and playing on a coordinated team.

Actually it's pretty easy since those same people don't want anything to do with putting premades on both teams. If you are truly playing in TS just to "have the fun of playing with their friends" then why would you possibly care if the other team also has people on it who just enjoy "playing on a coordinated team".

Be a man and just admit that you are enjoying playing with an advantage. Nothing wrong with that, the developers have handed you that advantage for the time being, but quit pretending that it has nothing to do with being in easy mode.

PANZERBUNNY, on 26 January 2013 - 07:47 AM, said:

Those who don't use TS, for some reason, seem to think it's always hard core coordination.

Honestly, many times it's more of a distraction as everyone is laughing and having a good time and you don't notice those 3 mechs that have crept behind your lines.

This is a real winner of a post here. So now playing on TS is actually a disadvantage? Wow, who would have guessed. Maybe you guys should be allowed to go back to 8 man groups vs pugs to compensate for having the confusion of being in TS.

You people seriously are freaking hilarious with the extents you will go to just to keep the pugstomping train a-rolling.

Edited by Greyfyl, 26 January 2013 - 07:56 AM.

[PANZERBUNNY]

Mk1Cursed, on 26 January 2013 - 07:47 AM, said:

Could have been me on the end of another 8-0 drubbing soloing against premades this morning.

Teamspeak gives you a massive advantage that is not available to everyone else through the normal game, is that not an "exploit"?

Last time I checked TF2, CS, etal had INTEGRATED voice comms, isn't that fair? Everyone CAN use voice in game without resorting to a 3rd party app?

PGI need to dig themselves out of a hole quick smart because TS *IS* being exploited by premades to smash every game. It's getting really boring really quickly.

You're welcome to your "coordinated team experience" but don't kid yourself that you're leveraging an unfair advantage over most other players.

I really don't understand why PGI didn't sort comms out in Alpha or Closed Beta before inviting the world to experience their broken matchmaking and "team game" that lacks the function for a team to effectively communicate unless they use another program.

It's a FREE download.

FREE!

Punch in some numbers and you're off to the races!

People are lazy or incompetent or lazy or don't want to learn or are afraid of who may be talking on the other end and simply don't want to put a small amount of effort trying to find a decent play group.

It's not like people who use TS get special access.

The game is what you make of it. You could also choose to use stock variant mechs if you were lazy and didn't want to bother learning how to customize. You'd be at a disadvantage, but that's YOUR fault.

[Screech]

Uhh.....Hashbrowns.

Edited by Screech, 26 January 2013 - 08:01 AM.

[PANZERBUNNY]

Greyfyl, on 26 January 2013 - 07:55 AM, said:

Actually it's pretty easy since those same people don't want anything to do with putting premades on both teams. If you are truly playing in TS just to "have the fun of playing with their friends" then why would you possibly care if the other team also has people on it who just enjoy "playing on a coordinated team".

Be a man and just admit that you are enjoying playing with an advantage. Nothing wrong with that, the developers have handed you that advantage for the time being, but quit pretending that it has nothing to do with being in easy mode.




This is a real winner of a post here. So now playing on TS is actually a disadvantage? Wow, who would have guessed. Maybe you guys should be allowed to go back to 8 man groups vs pugs to compensate for having the confusion of being in TS.

You people seriously are freaking hilarious with the extents you will go to just to keep the pugstomping train a-rolling.

You have obviously never dropped with some of the late night drinking/partying groups of guys that seem to litter the TS channels.

Keeping everyone focused is a mini game before the mechs have even powered up.

[Greyfyl]

Mk1Cursed, on 26 January 2013 - 07:47 AM, said:

I really don't understand why PGI didn't sort comms out in Alpha or Closed Beta before inviting the world to experience their broken matchmaking and "team game" that lacks the function for a team to effectively communicate unless they use another program.

This is exactly what I have been saying for months. For an online pvp only game, a good matchmaking system should have been priority one.

PANZERBUNNY, on 26 January 2013 - 07:56 AM, said:

It's a FREE download.

FREE!

Punch in some numbers and you're off to the races!

People are lazy or incompetent or lazy or don't want to learn or are afraid of who may be talking on the other end and simply don't want to put a small amount of effort trying to find a decent play group.

It's not like people who use TS get special access.

The game is what you make of it. You could also choose to use stock variant mechs if you were lazy and didn't want to bother learning how to customize. You'd be at a disadvantage, but that's YOUR fault.

But yet you are against having to play against premades on the other team. How shocking.

[PANZERBUNNY]

Greyfyl, on 26 January 2013 - 07:59 AM, said:

This is exactly what I have been saying for months. For an online pvp only game, a good matchmaking system should have been priority one.



But yet you are against having to play against premades on the other team. How shocking.

When did I ever say I was against playing against premades on the other team?

I've cut my play time drastically because I'm sick of playing against people who seem to be very adept at piloting themselves into walls of rocks or buildings and who can barely grasp the concept of turning or leading targets.


Let it also be said that some of these groups have been playing THIS game for many, many months together.

Some people have gamed for years with each other in many other games.

The amount of coordination needed is VERY low unless it's an 8V8 for serious business.


I see a disturbing trend in trying to demonize people who utilize the social aspects of the game by those mutes or social misfits who can't figure out how to install TS. (Which is fine. Just don't stomp about it. I'm a social misfit. I just managed to learn how to use TS and infiltrate the norms and pinkies. I'm sure there are some bobbies around as well.)

Do we need a PUG only que and a Que for each type of drop WITHOUT Comms, just so the filler and fodder can get a few kills?

Challenge yourself and you may just be surprised what you can achieve.

Edited by PANZERBUNNY, 26 January 2013 - 08:06 AM.