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[roflplanes]

Then you need to go find a GIANT mirror, look deep into your own soul, and read this article.

http://tinyurl.com/angv42t

Don't worry, it's just a Cracked.com article. It won't bite.

I completely understand the general frustration with various issues (ESPECIALLY back-end issues like matchmaking and the netcode), but everyone forgets one thing: they will EVENTUALLY be fixed! Even if it's not in a timely manner, these issues will ALL be resolved at some point in time because the software is STILL UNDER DEVELOPMENT. We don’t have a polished, finished product, you’re right. But we’re also not stuck with all the bugs, issues, and glitches that OFTEN NEVER GET FIXED once a product gets finalized and published.

Since everyone seems to want to compare MW:O to the pre-packaged Mechwarrior games of the past, let’s go that route. MW:O came into the maturing stages of its lifecycle in what, late 2011 or early 2012? Then PGI opened it up to a closed beta testing group and began using the "Founders" model to keep cashflow reasonable from their TINY client base. Then in the middle of 2012 they opened the beta to whoever else might want to come play and help test their (UNFINISHED) product. And now, after countless patches and updates to include maps and game modes and new 'Mechs and game-mechanic tweaks... everyone seems to hate them.

The other MW games that everyone seems so in love with? MW2 was released in December of 1995 for Windows. The first patch? AUGUST of 1996. The second and final patch? APRIL of 1997! Two patches in two years. And there was at LEAST a 4-year gap in between the release of EACH new Mechwarrior game in the series. I think we’re doing pretty OK on time here, guys.

If you have a Founder's tag next to your name, I get it. You bought into the IDEA of a new Mechwarrior game, tossed your dice, and hoped for the best. If you're now disappointed with your purchase, this post is not directed at you and I am sincerely sorry that you feel you have wasted your money.

If you DID NOT buy a Founders package, then the ONLY financial support you have shown PGI has been through your in-game MC purchases (a system which, I agree, is somewhat broken) for content that YOU CHOSE TO BUY RATHER THAN SIMPLY GRIND OUT. PGI has stated again and again that they will never REQUIRE anyone to pay for content that will provide them an unfair advantage or disadvantage in-game. They use a simple unlock system just like CoD or any modern MMO/MMORPG. You can purchase all of the 'Mechs (except for their promotional [and seemingly rather... lackluster] Hero 'Mechs) with in-game points instead of real money. Camo is cosmetic (but also broken, I agree), and therefore you pay for your bling.

You don't HAVE to spend a penny to play and excel at this game. So stop complaining about it. Make CONSTRUCTIVE suggestions to the team about ways to improve the monetary system or the camo purchase system or LRM flight paths or WHATEVER else you might not like. But don't hate. Don't troll. It doesn't exemplify the values your mothers all raised you with, and it doesn't encourage PGI to want to give you ANYTHING.

To the Dev team, thank you. You guys brought my favorite childhood franchise back from the grave, and that's just plain awesome. You're doing outstanding work and I wish you the best; ignore the trolls, keep your heads down, and drive on.

End of rant, and flame away.

[Ravn]

This OP makes too much sense to be taken seriously.

Edited by Ravn, 26 January 2013 - 11:22 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

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What isn't justifiable is people who b*tch about free content being late. Those guys are aswholes. If you see anyone doing this, kick them in the ear.

F*cking Priceless!!!

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 26 January 2013 - 11:30 AM.

[Cik]

Joseph Mallan, on 26 January 2013 - 11:29 AM, said:

F*cking Priceless!!!

unintentional self-parody is best self-parody. entitled is a ******** word. "OH NO, PEOPLE WANT QUALITY AND SAY SO, BETTER CALM THEM ENTITLED BECAUSE WE ****** UP" nah, you can just deal with it.

[roflplanes]

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And again if something is free, and is awesome, but it doesn't come quickly enough.

>_>

>_>

*facepalm*

[Neogodhobo]

Yes, if only people could stop insulting everyone, it would make for a better community. Go into game forum like Rise Of Flight and you will notice that everyone, and I mean, EVERYONE, on the forum has constructive conversation, nobody insults each other. when a problem is detected, people explain their point and dont force on others to accept this point. It is very open minded and friendly and players even ( and very often ) gives away free stuff that they buy with their own money. ( like during christmas they gave away about 50-100 airplanes. Each airplane costing around 4$ to 14$ dollar ).

But then, if you look at World of Tank forums, you will notice the chaos in their community real quick. A bunch of people, who insults each other. the game is made completely unplayable if you want to play random battles because everyone will insult you the sightliest mistake you do. everyone calls you on your stats as if it was God. They are basically a bunch of lunatics. ( the general population, not everyone of course ) and its just hell ( thats why I dont play this game in the first place )


From what I have seen this community looks pretty alright but its still closer to World of tank than to Rise Of Flight. Im not demanding anything from nobody, but if im just hoping that people read this message and decide to hold on the insults next time. Even if the other person insults you, doing the same thing he does will just create a never ending circle. Be the better man/women. The opinion of a person you dont know should not have to affect your mood to the point of spending hours arguing and insulting.

If someone like me, who had to live in the street for years, who has a mohawk and tattoo's all over, who is dirty and drinks beer everyday, if someone like me can be as polite as bambi on the internet, than why not you who is supposed to be more civilize than punks.

[Elkfire]

People just don't seem to understand that pure negativity isn't going to get them what they want.

If they want change, they have to show that they're worthy of it by voicing their concerns in a constructive and mature manner, rather than tossing insults and un-constructively complaining.

[Riffleman]

My only concern is its a niche game already, without a triple A playerbase, will these issues be resolved in time to keep a decent population, or will the game, and thus the franchise again fade into obscurity.

[Odins Fist]

LOLZ @ Suckups...

[Joseph Mallan]

Cik, on 26 January 2013 - 11:33 AM, said:

unintentional self-parody is best self-parody. entitled is a ******** word. "OH NO, PEOPLE WANT QUALITY AND SAY SO, BETTER CALM THEM ENTITLED BECAUSE WE ****** UP" nah, you can just deal with it.

Just in case I am misinterpreting your post. the quote in my post is the last line from the article in the link. It is quoted cause after the whole article trying to create a level of understanding the author ended with that quote! It tickled me.

[Rannos]

Lots of words going on in this thread. It'd take a long time to read them. I'll just ignore them and add my own.

[roflplanes]

Riffleman, on 26 January 2013 - 12:01 PM, said:

My only concern is its a niche game already, without a triple A playerbase, will these issues be resolved in time to keep a decent population, or will the game, and thus the franchise again fade into obscurity.

Agreed 100%, I just think people go about trying to get those changes implemented in the wrong way.

[Martini Henrie]

Well though out commentary, with a reasoned argument. Get ready to be ignored by the shouting class...

Good OP.

[Cerlin]

Nice post Op. Agreed that people are super entitled to free things....Always shocks me a bit. I guess I have hope in humanity...

[Thirdstar]

You meant well I'm sure and I can certainly get behind having a more constructive atmosphere on the forums. But there are a few things I wanted to point out.

roflplanes, on 26 January 2013 - 11:19 AM, said:

I completely understand the general frustration with various issues (ESPECIALLY back-end issues like matchmaking and the netcode), but everyone forgets one thing: they will EVENTUALLY be fixed! Even if it's not in a timely manner, these issues will ALL be resolved at some point in time because the software is STILL UNDER DEVELOPMENT. We don’t have a polished, finished product, you’re right. But we’re also not stuck with all the bugs, issues, and glitches that OFTEN NEVER GET FIXED once a product gets finalized and published.

You're contradicting yourself. Either your first point is true or your second is. Both cannot be true. You say the issues will be fixed and then point out that oftentimes issues never get fixed. 'Eventually Will Be Fixed' is hardly sufficient balm to people who do want to play the game but are prevented from doing so due to game stopping bugs.

roflplanes, on 26 January 2013 - 11:19 AM, said:

Since everyone seems to want to compare MW:O to the pre-packaged Mechwarrior games of the past, let’s go that route. MW:O came into the maturing stages of its lifecycle in what, late 2011 or early 2012? Then PGI opened it up to a closed beta testing group and began using the "Founders" model to keep cashflow reasonable from their TINY client base. Then in the middle of 2012 they opened the beta to whoever else might want to come play and help test their (UNFINISHED) product. And now, after countless patches and updates to include maps and game modes and new 'Mechs and game-mechanic tweaks... everyone seems to hate them.

There's still only 4 maps and 2 game modes and game mechanic tweaks have mostly been limited to Artemis and ECM since OB. Lets be honest here.

roflplanes, on 26 January 2013 - 11:19 AM, said:

The other MW games that everyone seems so in love with? MW2 was released in December of 1995 for Windows. The first patch? AUGUST of 1996. The second and final patch? APRIL of 1997! Two patches in two years. And there was at LEAST a 4-year gap in between the release of EACH new Mechwarrior game in the series. I think we’re doing pretty OK on time here, guys.

You're comparing apples to oranges. This is not 1996 or any of the later dates. MOGs like MWO need constant updates moreso in fact during the Beta cycle than the relatively stable release stage.

roflplanes, on 26 January 2013 - 11:19 AM, said:

If you DID NOT buy a Founders package, then the ONLY financial support you have shown PGI has been through your in-game MC purchases (a system which, I agree, is somewhat broken) for content that YOU CHOSE TO BUY RATHER THAN SIMPLY GRIND OUT. PGI has stated again and again that they will never REQUIRE anyone to pay for content that will provide them an unfair advantage or disadvantage in-game. They use a simple unlock system just like CoD or any modern MMO/MMORPG. You can purchase all of the 'Mechs (except for their promotional [and seemingly rather... lackluster] Hero 'Mechs) with in-game points instead of real money. Camo is cosmetic (but also broken, I agree), and therefore you pay for your bling.

You don't HAVE to spend a penny to play and excel at this game. So stop complaining about it. Make CONSTRUCTIVE suggestions to the team about ways to improve the monetary system or the camo purchase system or LRM flight paths or WHATEVER else you might not like. But don't hate. Don't troll. It doesn't exemplify the values your mothers all raised you with, and it doesn't encourage PGI to want to give you ANYTHING.

To the Dev team, thank you. You guys brought my favorite childhood franchise back from the grave, and that's just plain awesome. You're doing outstanding work and I wish you the best; ignore the trolls, keep your heads down, and drive on.

End of rant, and flame away.

The rest of your post is a bit vehement but I can agree with all of it.

The word entitlement gets thrown around willy nilly around here far too much for my liking.

Edited by Thirdstar, 26 January 2013 - 12:57 PM.

[Ravn]

Thirdstar, on 26 January 2013 - 12:56 PM, said:

You meant well I'm sure and I can certainly get behind having a more constructive atmosphere on the forums. But there are a few things I wanted to point out.

You're contradicting yourself. Either your first point is true or your second is. Both cannot be true. You say the issues will be fixed and then point out that oftentimes issues never get fixed. 'Eventually Will Be Fixed' is hardly sufficient balm to people who do want to play the game but are prevented from doing so due to game stopping bugs.

There's still only 4 maps and 2 game modes and game mechanic tweaks have mostly been limited to Artemis and ECM since OB. Lets be honest here.

You're comparing apples to oranges. This is not 1996 or any of the later dates. MOGs like MWO need constant updates moreso in fact during the Beta cycle than the relatively stable release stage.

The rest of your post is a bit vehement but I can agree with all of it.

The word entitlement gets thrown around willy nilly around here far too much for my liking.

Geez Thirdstar, Was it really worth tearing this good will statement apart?

[Thirdstar]

Ravn, on 26 January 2013 - 01:11 PM, said:

Geez Thirdstar, Was it really worth tearing this good will statement apart?

Didn't really think it would come across as tearing apart anything, I was just hoping to inject a little balance into it.

[Ralgas]

Thirdstar, on 26 January 2013 - 12:56 PM, said:

You're comparing apples to oranges. This is not 1996 or any of the later dates. MOGs like MWO need constant updates moreso in fact during the Beta cycle than the relatively stable release stage.

And this is where the entitlement comes in,(and i don't mean you specifically third) We see a once a month or better patch cycle, even though igp is short on several staff (evedenced by the open postions) and we have a operational(if a little too buggy for some people), built from the ground up beta from zip coding a little over 12 months ago.

In the greater schemes of game development (and the length any good game takes, including timefame delays) and what the community expects from it these guys a doing a stellar job. They could have just hid it from us for another 1-2 years as a closed beta until the majority of the game was finished, but instead included the playerbase i assume in an attempt to get it right 1st time............... Instead they get a community whining to fix 300 different things at once as well as finishing rest of the game yesterday.

[Thirdstar]

Ralgas, on 26 January 2013 - 01:25 PM, said:

And this is where the entitlement comes in,(and i don't mean you specifically third) We see a once a month or better patch cycle, even though igp is short on several staff (evedenced by the open postions) and we have a operational(if a little too buggy for some people), built from the ground up beta from zip coding a little over 12 months ago.

In the greater schemes of game development (and the length any good game takes, including timefame delays) and what the community expects from it these guys a doing a stellar job. They could have just hid it from us for another 1-2 years as a closed beta until the majority of the game was finished, but instead included the playerbase i assume in an attempt to get it right 1st time............... Instead they get a community whining to fix 300 different things at once as well as finishing rest of the game yesterday.

In my opinion, this is exactly what should have happened. Or close to it anyway.

I think you'd be hard pressed to find a reasonable person on the forums who thinks the game should have gone to Open Beta in the state it was.

[xX_Nero_Xx]

i agree with you 100 op.
here is what happens,
they expect to jump right in a game be able to just wipe the floor with ppl ,and if they cant then the game must be broken.
we must fix this cause this weapon is to powerfull and kills me to fast.
this mech has this and my fav mech doesnt so we must fix this.
there are to many ppl using this weapon or mechs so we must change this.
instead of learning how to beat something it must be nerfed so i can win.
there cant be anyone better than me so this game has to be broken.
this is how everything is now .
if i have to work at anything to be succesfull it must be broken.
im just to dam good to have to try at anything.



this is what it wrong and why everyone crys.

now bugs yea that needs to be fixed