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[CMDR Sunset Shimmer]

First off... a link to the source of where I'm coming from with this. http://mwomercs.com/...evs-30-answers/

Secondly, this is in no way ment to look down on "PuG" players, nor is it ment to make you guy's feel alienated or anything like that.

I personally feel, PuG players, don't get their function in MWO's coming metagame.

To quote the part from this "Ask The Devs 30" I'm talking about

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Q: As we approach 12v12 games, how do you plan on addressing full premade groups? It can already be a struggle getting 7 of your friends to play with you, 11 will be even tougher. Are you going to do anything else that will either encourage people to group up more, or make it easier to form large 12 man premades?
A: Premade groups will have their ranks filled up by public players, similar to the current system when the match starts. There are some lances features incoming to help people organize before and during the game.

I've "bolded" the important part here. And this is something I've been talking about since 2011/2012 when MWO was first being heavily discussed and we got the first information about Community Warfare. Public "Lone Wolf" Players will be used to pad out existing unit drops.

Those of us who play in Premades, need to learn to accept PuG players on our team, and attempt to foster good will with them, as they'll be padding out our ranks should we not have enough members for a full drop.

PUG'S you guys need to understand your role here, your entire purpose in this game, is to pad out existing units, THAT IS YOUR ROLE. So you have a choice, continue to pug, and be a "lone gun" for hire that get's attatched to any unit anywhere at any time you decide to drop. Or you join a group.

Once you join a "House" when CW hits, I guarnetee the way drops are set up are going to be more along the lines of "You're Allied with Steiner as a Lone Wolf, you get dropped into matches to back up the Steiner Lines." So you'll be dropping with "Stiener" alligned units... or if you're house Kurita, you'll be dropping with Kurita alligned Units.

It's a simple system. And all the outcrying about Pugs playing with Premades frankly, needs to stop. PGI did the wrong thing in trying to seperate the 8 man que from the 4 man que in the first place. Simply because now people are going to be used to the current system, and are going to freak out once ELO matchmaking hits and everyone's thrown back into playing with everyone again.

[Nahuris]

I've been planning on this the whole time --- which is why I work to always be, at least, useful to my team (as best I can)
I'm not some uber awesome player.... but for the rest of us PUGs, please stop scattering like cockroaches.
Hit the "R" key and help target for your team.... take a moment to type "plan?" or listen if someone else types or gives a plan (once we have better speech). If we don't work to establish some respect now.... we'll never get any....

Nahuris

[Greyfyl]

Jade Kitsune, on 25 January 2013 - 04:27 PM, said:

It's a simple system. And all the outcrying about Pugs playing with Premades frankly, needs to stop. PGI did the wrong thing in trying to seperate the 8 man que from the 4 man que in the first place. Simply because now people are going to be used to the current system, and are going to freak out once ELO matchmaking hits and everyone's thrown back into playing with everyone again.

Guess what - you have completely missed the whole point of the premade/pug debate. Are there some that want a completely seperate queue? Yea - there are those people.

But that's not the majority. Most of us simply want both teams to have premades of the same size. Not a difficult concept, yet the a very large portion of the premade community is vehemently against it. Ask yourself why. Why would someone be against premades on both teams? I think you can come to a quick conclusion if you have an ounce of intelligence.

Edited by Greyfyl, 25 January 2013 - 04:43 PM.

[Levon K]

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THAT IS YOUR ROLE

Ok. No need to shout. We already know this.

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So you have a choice

Not really bro. Lay off with the choice bit. It gets old.

I read too much of this PUG and premade nonsense day in and day out on this bloody forum. Who really cares anyways? The beauty of this game is you can hot drop in a few matches with that precious 10 minutes of free time that you have on a work day.

Sorry bro, unless you're paying me 50 bucks an hour, I aint dedicating my life to your group.

[BlackBeltJones]

Remember how you could chat with the random team members in L4D? Why is that so hard? Wouldn't that mute the entire PUG/Premade debate?

[Naelbis]

I play both as a premade and as a PUG regularly. The only real difference between the two is that when I play with a gorup I can at least effectively communicate. The biggest issue PUGs have is that typing takes too long in the heat of battle. Since the built in VOIP system doesn't work, PUGs have no way to talk to each other once battle is joined. PGI really needs to fix that soon.

[Budor]

I dont get this thread What exactly are you trying to explain to me? It will work like tis working now (+ ELO)...that the news?

[Valleros]

Jade Kitsune, on 25 January 2013 - 04:27 PM, said:

First off... a link to the source of where I'm coming from with this. http://mwomercs.com/...evs-30-answers/

Secondly, this is in no way ment to look down on "PuG" players, nor is it ment to make you guy's feel alienated or anything like that.

I personally feel, PuG players, don't get their function in MWO's coming metagame.

To quote the part from this "Ask The Devs 30" I'm talking about



I've "bolded" the important part here. And this is something I've been talking about since 2011/2012 when MWO was first being heavily discussed and we got the first information about Community Warfare. Public "Lone Wolf" Players will be used to pad out existing unit drops.

Those of us who play in Premades, need to learn to accept PuG players on our team, and attempt to foster good will with them, as they'll be padding out our ranks should we not have enough members for a full drop.

PUG'S you guys need to understand your role here, your entire purpose in this game, is to pad out existing units, THAT IS YOUR ROLE. So you have a choice, continue to pug, and be a "lone gun" for hire that get's attatched to any unit anywhere at any time you decide to drop. Or you join a group.

Once you join a "House" when CW hits, I guarnetee the way drops are set up are going to be more along the lines of "You're Allied with Steiner as a Lone Wolf, you get dropped into matches to back up the Steiner Lines." So you'll be dropping with "Stiener" alligned units... or if you're house Kurita, you'll be dropping with Kurita alligned Units.

It's a simple system. And all the outcrying about Pugs playing with Premades frankly, needs to stop. PGI did the wrong thing in trying to seperate the 8 man que from the 4 man que in the first place. Simply because now people are going to be used to the current system, and are going to freak out once ELO matchmaking hits and everyone's thrown back into playing with everyone again.

Put a premade of similar size on each side, and I'm a happy pug.

[GalaxyBluestar]

simply pugs should have their own rank system tied to a merc unit outline for CW.

think about it, your premade/sync is at the lobby but you need 2-4 more players? click the merc tab and you'll see all the players who are not assigned to a clan guild whatever. beside them is stats on ingame performance, the mech they are currently useing ready for launch {the launch activation light on green means they've finished in mech lab and are happy with the choice ready for hire} and whether they're online or offline {could only show online players}. then they have a percentage beside them.

this percentage ties in with their stats if they have top leader board w/l k/d amount of assists then they will be at 1%or 2% and if they have poor stats they will be at .01%. what are these percentages about i hear you say? they are the cash amounts needed to hire them, the percentage of the winnings if the team wins and the better players cost more. so if the team collectivly makes 15mil cbills the good player gets a 150 thousand cbill bonus like a premium time addition taken out of the guilds earnings. or if the bad player wins he/she'd get 1500 cbills.

now to make it fair the clan players get a base participation sallary twice as high as a merc so lets say, 60,000cbills for a clan member drop and 30,000 for a pug. the bonus, damage and winning cbills don't change. so pugs start earning simillar wages to guild players if they earn it by better gameplay. this means nonpaying players really have to earn and grind their money and premades can not ignore them they have to work with them as patrol partners and such.

game modes should only allow 2x4 with pugs or 8with pugs so guilds don't shun pugs away by always syncing to fill out matches without them.

then there is the arcade mode for a pug only queue which is pretty much what we have now, just the two modes but no sync dropping is aloud, a place for pugs to grind moneys test builds etc. not that it would help them in CW that is roleplay skillbased gaming if you want to do well. equipment won't mean much if you're a grat assault but the clan wants to hire lights etc.

i know the idea needs a lot more thought but theres a start, anyone like it or want to expand more on it? the lobby/queue system needs more fleshing out for sure but i'm not that smart at game design.

[Fate 6]

I'll be alligned with Clan Wolf so It'll be a while before I care =P

[General Taskeen]

A Lone Wolf's role is/are:

• Appearing just before a fight and offering their services to the defender. If the defender declines their offer the Lone Wolves will try to get a contract with the attacker.
  
• Particularly skilled in urban combat
  
• Loose cohesion of the unit means their tactics and performance tend to vary wildly (we don't need leaders)
  
• Retreat is legit from your contractor (although take as much loot as possible) Source Sauce: Historical Turning Points: Galtor III

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Lone_Wolves



We don't follow the 'rules,' Broseph. If I'm contracted to Steiner, I don't have to do a damn thing they say.

Edited by General Taskeen, 25 January 2013 - 05:23 PM.

[One Medic Army]

I was under the impression that the idea was for most PUGs to be in Houses, while the actual organized guilds were the merc corps and only a few players were lone wolves.

[Mike Silva]

I'll join a team when my play rises to "competent."

[GalaxyBluestar]

One Medic Army, on 25 January 2013 - 05:17 PM, said:

I was under the impression that the idea was for most PUGs to be in Houses, while the actual organized guilds were the merc corps and only a few players were lone wolves.

that seems strange when houses are organised armies and mercs are random agents whether they'd be lone wolves or groups. seems more fitting to have lone wolves as strictly mercs and synch droppers or premades etc be clans in houses etc.

[One Medic Army]

The original impression I got about the house matches is that they'd be so numerous that it's just grab 8 house members and throw em on a team together, rather than being an organized affair.

[Trampas52]

Hey guys. I pug twice a week on the weekends. i run an awesome and i try to provide fire support for whomever i am playing with. personally I do not take any of MWO seriously because this is STRESS relief for me. i play for fun. When I play I try to support the team i am dropped in with A lot of times that gets me killed but that's okay. I had fun. Let me give you some perspective. I recieved 1st degree chemical burns to my body last year and spent most of it i a hospital. once that was fixed, i lost use of my right leg . the docs were able to fix most of the problem and i am currently relearning how to walk. its just a game..

[Vlad Ward]

House matches are the PUG queue. Border Territory matches are the 8v8 queue. Premades in Corps can drop into the PUG queue as much as they want to earn LP and crap.

Voila.

[Pax Noctis]

Yeah, no. Sorry.

My "role" in any video game is to entertain myself in whatever way I want within the rules of the game. Sometimes that's following the D-DC, sometimes it's doing something else. My job is not to facilitate other people's fun, especially not people with thinly-veiled superiority complexes because they use Skype.

Edited by Pax Noctis, 25 January 2013 - 05:41 PM.

[Mike Silva]

Trampas52, on 25 January 2013 - 05:38 PM, said:

Hey guys. I pug twice a week on the weekends. i run an awesome and i try to provide fire support for whomever i am playing with. personally I do not take any of MWO seriously because this is STRESS relief for me. i play for fun. When I play I try to support the team i am dropped in with A lot of times that gets me killed but that's okay. I had fun. Let me give you some perspective. I recieved 1st degree chemical burns to my body last year and spent most of it i a hospital. once that was fixed, i lost use of my right leg . the docs were able to fix most of the problem and i am currently relearning how to walk. its just a game..

Something I've found in any MMO I've played is that it's always less stressful to play with a group.

[SlXSlXSlX]

I will not be a filler, no sirry bob. THIS is not my idea of playing MWO.



Cant wait till they add colors to premade units, that way I can easily see what mm tried to give me. Leaving my filler "role", will be as easy as exiting game and finding another match.

Thanks for the suggestion though.