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#361 N0MAD

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 08:41 PM

View PostThirdstar, on 30 January 2013 - 08:22 PM, said:


Oooo this will be fun.

1. Please quote where Serapth has "Stating that premades are ruining the game for pugs".

2. Didn't realize you had inside information on how the matchmaking works, please inform me how exactly the matchmaker attempts to place premades on both teams. Also make sure to attach Dev comments and/or patch notes stating this.

3. Please justify the following statement made by one NOMAD "but i shouldnt need to go to that Great amount of effort you say, well mate dont go out into the real world and get a job or maybe a girlfriend cause your going to need a car that neither will provide for you so you can get to the job or pick her up for a date, make no effort at all that will get you places.."
Please point out how said statement is accurate and/or constructive.

Ok.
Serapth has multiple posts in Every Thread concerning Premades implying just that, not only that in this very thread he blatantly says that teaming is an exploit, that statement alone implies teams are ruining the game for everyone because exploiting by its nature is a cheat.
Point 2, right back at you do you have inside info on the matchmaking system that proves that there isnt a premade on each side, pls provide requested info etc etc.
Point 3. One of his comments was.. Until Tools are provided.....again the tools are out there and very easy to obtain that he or anyone doesnt want to get them to me shows very litle effort or interest in obtaining said tools not that they are not available, followed by an example where in real life not everything is made available to you without some of your own imput or effort required.

#362 Dimento Graven

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 08:42 PM

View PostThirdstar, on 30 January 2013 - 08:39 PM, said:


Here's a poll for you.
http://mwomercs.com/...es-around-here/
So not the vast majority, and immediately invalidates the rest of your unsupported suggestion.



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So how does that poll prove that MOST pug losses are the FAULT of pre-mades? IF ANYTHING, that poll proves the MOST pug losses are to OTHER PUGs!!!!

<GASP>

Edited by Dimento Graven, 30 January 2013 - 08:49 PM.


#363 Lemming

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 08:50 PM

YOU CANT STOP THE POSTS

I WILL NOT BE CAGED

#364 Rannos

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 08:50 PM

please stop not posting

#365 Lemming

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 08:51 PM

I just saw a post disappear, before my very eyes

We must replace its essence with more posts

#366 Kahoumono

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 08:51 PM

I was TK's yesterday by a premade. Telling me "You are the weakest link" and "we don't need you" after they put some AC20 rounds into my back. I was even naive enought to protest after the first shot cored my back. Also, of course they went on to stomp the other team. That is the problem with this match making system. There are those of us who don't want to be used as filler and fodder. At the same time some of your groups don't have enough numbers to play a match on your own. I am not saying all premades are bad and some premades are genuinely out there to try to find good opponents. It is just that half the time you end up fighting puggers. Premades potentially need puggers but puggers don't need premades.

#367 GreatBeer

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 08:51 PM

View PostLemming, on 30 January 2013 - 08:50 PM, said:

YOU CANT STOP THE POSTS

I WILL NOT BE CAGED


now i know why the caged bird posts

#368 Dimento Graven

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 09:00 PM

Are you guys the thread killers? Just spam nonsense?

I don't mind the discussion/debate, regardless what those who are losing the debate think it is.

#369 Lemming

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 09:01 PM

wolf wolf wolf awoooooooooooo

It's a good thing birds can imitate a lot of noises or this would be hard

#370 Kristov Kerensky

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 09:03 PM

Uhm..PGI did state some stats in Dec when this was brought up, 1 in 20 drops had a premade. That was called a lie..remember?

In this thread, Garth stated that the 'I got rolled by a premade and here's the SS proof' posts that he checks, it's not happening, it's pubbies with the occasional 2 man team that did the rolling. And people have already claimed that that is bogus in this thread, like Thirdstar.

PGI does have the metrics, they've looked at them, Garth was in this thread and you'll notice that while he did comment on the fact that premades can definately make the game less then fun for new players(and that PGI is tracking these exact stats!), he did NOT say that they are changing how premade/pubbie will be changed in phase 3. As a matter of fact, he told us to grab new players and teach them and recruit them to join our units. Now, it may just be me, but I kind of read that as PGI isn't going to change how pub/premade match making works and it's up to us to make the new players feel less violated and more welcomed. Exactly how we've done it for the past 20 odd years in online PvP gaming communities, usually without the help of any publisher or dev team via ingame tools or even website tools. Hells, for MW2 we had nothing at all for the online community, we used AOL and GEnie and then Kali to do all that stuff. Judging by how many of those MW2 players are here, I'd say we did just fine with making new players feel welcome instead of violated...we saved the violations for after we got em hooked :o

Put a premade on each team, I've agreed with that option, I've also stated it won't change a bloody thing, the same complaints will still be made. We all know it, these complaints were around in closed beta when we couldn't drop as a team, why would they stop if both teams got a premade on it when people were making the complaint when it was impossible for it to happen at all? It won't, that's just how it is and that's how it'll stay because parts of this community have some really weird opinions on how team games are supposed to work. I guess I'm just too old school, I'm used to getting my head handed to me and instead of crying about it, following the guy who kicked my *** around until I learned how to return the love. I know I'm not alone in that thinking, but there also seems to be a vocal group that feel that getting your *** kicked in a video game is the only justification you need to uninstall it because if you can't automatically win, why play? I don't think you actually fall into that catagory Sep, but I'm not sure you fall in mine either. Maybe it's the lack of team orientation that you show, I don't get that at all and I'm actually fairly solitary except for when it comes to video games and sports, and for those, if it isn't a team game, ****** off...except angry birds..that's video crack and should be outlawed :huh:

#371 Lemming

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 09:10 PM

wolf

#372 Dimento Graven

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 09:25 PM

View PostLemming, on 30 January 2013 - 09:10 PM, said:

wolf

OH! You're goons! Hey goons!

#373 Prawned

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 10:52 PM

There is no mercy in the future ?!?!?!

#374 PhoenixFire55

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 01:01 AM

View PostDimento Graven, on 30 January 2013 - 07:07 PM, said:

Again, sing it with me now brothers and sisters:

PLAY THE GAME AS INTENDED!!!!


Keep up the good fight Dimento. Its just hard when you show smb smth white and he keeps telling you its black.

#375 PhoenixFire55

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 01:29 AM

View PostKahoumono, on 30 January 2013 - 08:51 PM, said:

I was TK's yesterday by a premade. Telling me "You are the weakest link" and "we don't need you" after they put some AC20 rounds into my back. I was even naive enought to protest after the first shot cored my back. Also, of course they went on to stomp the other team. That is the problem with this match making system. There are those of us who don't want to be used as filler and fodder. At the same time some of your groups don't have enough numbers to play a match on your own. I am not saying all premades are bad and some premades are genuinely out there to try to find good opponents. It is just that half the time you end up fighting puggers. Premades potentially need puggers but puggers don't need premades.


Just like there is a chance that one of the PUGs will suddenly start TK'ing there is same chance somewhere out there exists a stupid premade that starts TK'ing. If you can find out what unit are they from and contact their unit leaders, if not just report the idiots who did it.

I've had a situation when my group of 4 was in a team with another 4 premade and they started shooting us. It ended up with our 8 man team being decimated even before the real enemy came at us.

People like that are a disgrace. Its always like that, one-two idiots, a couple azz*ole premades and a lot of people start blaming all organized groups for being like that. But ... unlike PUGs who are not 'controled' by anyone, most organized units (ones worth mentioning anyway) do forbid their memebers that sort of behavior. I assure you that if those guys that TK'ed you were part of my unit and we learned about smth like that happening, they'd be gone in an instant.

Premades fight puggers for the same reason puggers cry about premades ... broken matchmaker. If 8 vs 8 drops would have been balanced it would have been fun, but right now if you try 8 vs 8 you just know you are gonna be up against 3 ECM Ravens and 5 ECM Atlases. It gets old after a couple times.

Reason why premades try sync-dropping is that we want to play together with friends, and there is a very good chance we'll end up on different teams in the same match. For me its a situation I enjoy a lot because I know I'm against some good organized players and it tests my skill. I also do like to PUG it on my own, just because it can be fun, but really it is sometimes difficult to see the same person in like 3-4 games in a row still shooting LRMs inside 180m after you told him not to do it those previous 3 times already. Still, there is nothing that gives you more pleasure when you try to organize your PUG team and they actually cooperate and they actually win, or at least give a decent like 6-8 fight to a team that had a premade.

If somebody thinks that premades are here to ROFLMAO-stomp poor PUGs you people are very wrong.

Personally I can't wait till we can drop 1 vs 1 with people we want to not just random people. I'd like to see just how good are these PUG-only heroes who cry about teamwork being OP and an unfair advantage to cover solo lack of skill.

Just one more thing ... Sidney Crosby and Evgeniy Malkin are each among 5 best ice hockey players in the world. For some unknown reason they play as part of a team, not PUG-ing, eh?

#376 Bastard Ken

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 03:38 AM

It is better to live your own destiny imperfectly than to live an imitation of somebody else's life with perfection.

#377 Ken Fury

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 03:41 AM

Hi Ken.

#378 Bastard Ken

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 03:48 AM

View PostTank Boy Ken, on 31 January 2013 - 03:41 AM, said:

Hi Ken.

Hi Ken.

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 09:22 AM

View PostKahoumono, on 30 January 2013 - 08:51 PM, said:

I was TK's yesterday by a premade. Telling me "You are the weakest link" and "we don't need you" after they put some AC20 rounds into my back. I was even naive enought to protest after the first shot cored my back. Also, of course they went on to stomp the other team.


I don't see what the problem is with this. You were clearly unnecessary if they went on to win without your pubbie guidance.


You were probably in a commando too.

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 09:51 AM

Mathematics is totally unsuitable for the calculation of complex systems, because the vast number of variables and contingencies can not be measured mathematically.
Eeach of these systems will be lower than a Lobbystem, with social interaction outside of the battle field, but within the Games

...no system can calculate all the factors, such as physical / mental disability, age, experience, Coordination ability,Influence of other Teammember, teamwork ability , socialization, IQ, daily fitness, health and momentary state of fatigue, distraction by environmental (family background), calculate technical problem, scoordination ability and intelligence, responsive and able-time,



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