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#221 DocBach

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 09:03 PM

View PostSolis Obscuri, on 29 January 2013 - 08:57 PM, said:

So, on the one side:
ECM
1.5 tons, 2 crits, passive, affects entire enemy team
and on the other:
Counters to ECM
PPC (7 tons three crits, requires aim and LoS, bad at hitting fast lights, only affects one ECM)
TAG (requires holding beam on target for 3+ seconds while in direct LoS, only affects one cloaked unit)
Manually communicating targets to teammates in team chat (requires fast typing skills, can't maneuver and type)
Getting entire team into voice coms (unlikely outside of 8-man premade)
Running into 180m with your own ECM set to 'Counter' (requires not being focused yourself or Streaked to death without ECM protection)
Really does point out how a lot of skill is needed to effectively counter ECM, and how even a little ECM can counter a lot of skill, doesn't it?


skill is needed because you can still kill ECM 'Mechs. all mechs can be killed. people who cant deal with ecm all use streaks and streaks are the devil.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 09:05 PM

View PostDocBach, on 29 January 2013 - 09:03 PM, said:


skill is needed because you can still kill ECM 'Mechs. all mechs can be killed. people who cant deal with ecm all use streaks and streaks are the devil.
And all the people who use ECM and use Streaks?

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 09:07 PM

View PostSolis Obscuri, on 29 January 2013 - 08:57 PM, said:

So, on the one side:
ECM
1.5 tons, 2 crits, passive, affects entire enemy team
and on the other:
Counters to ECM
PPC (7 tons three crits, requires aim and LoS, bad at hitting fast lights, only affects one ECM)
TAG (requires holding beam on target for 3+ seconds while in direct LoS, only affects one cloaked unit) and is magically nullified by electromagnetic light canceling radiowaves within the bubble
Manually communicating targets to teammates in team chat (requires fast typing skills, can't maneuver and type)
Getting entire team into voice coms (unlikely outside of 8-man premade)
Running into 180m with your own ECM set to 'Counter' (requires not being focused yourself or Streaked to death without ECM protection)
Really does point out how a lot of skill is needed to effectively counter ECM, and how even a little ECM can counter a lot of skill, doesn't it?

Fixed TAG

Edited by Ravn, 29 January 2013 - 09:09 PM.


#224 DocBach

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 09:09 PM

View PostSolis Obscuri, on 29 January 2013 - 09:05 PM, said:

And all the people who use ECM and use Streaks?


people who use lrms have no skill l2p

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 09:11 PM

I'm assuming more things will appear to be OP'D as soon as this change hits. Some things will definitely be more OP'D. Like me. I can't wait. If they thought they were getting stomped with ECM wait until this change. :angry:

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 09:11 PM

Red herring argument = argument lost

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 09:15 PM

i dont care about your tt rules, you could never convert them into real time

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 09:15 PM

View PostDocBach, on 29 January 2013 - 09:09 PM, said:


people who use lrms have no skill l2p
And people who acquire sensor data to communicate enemy positions to their team?

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 09:15 PM

they should just learn to ts3

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 09:20 PM

View PostDocBach, on 29 January 2013 - 09:15 PM, said:

they should just learn to ts3
And if the opposing team sitting under the ECM invisibility cloak is also using voicecoms to call down focused fire on the conveniently alphabetized targets provided by their sensors with both direct fire weapons and guided SSRM and LRM missile systems?

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 09:21 PM

learn to use cover

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 09:29 PM

View PostDocBach, on 29 January 2013 - 09:21 PM, said:

learn to use cover
I suppose if they can't target the enemy to focus fire anyway they might as well just hide and hope for the best.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 09:34 PM

Yeah more pugs to kill for my kdr

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 09:51 PM

No, its me. I'm just trolling logic with the usual responses I see when I type out an essay describing why ECM is broken in this game, in the spirit of the thread title.

Edited by DocBach, 29 January 2013 - 09:52 PM.


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Posted 29 January 2013 - 09:52 PM

View PostDocBach, on 29 January 2013 - 09:51 PM, said:

No, its me. I'm just trolling logic with the usual responses I see when I type out an essay describing why ECM is broken in this game, in the spirit of the thread title.

Ah.

I think its funny how much effort one can put into supporting their position, with as much sincerity and attempt to understand the situation as possible, and have the entire thread go to crap because a couple of dudes think you want to boat LRMs, yet in your post history may very well have posts talking about rebalancing LRMs, nerfing Streaks, buffing BAP and NARC, and nerfing ECM.

I guess its easier to ignore everything and slap a label on you than to actually have to use words to discuss the issue at hand.

Proceed.

Edited by Orzorn, 29 January 2013 - 09:56 PM.


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Posted 29 January 2013 - 09:55 PM

And doing a great job of never actually trying to refute my arguments with a reason, might I add.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 10:02 PM

View PostSolis Obscuri, on 29 January 2013 - 09:55 PM, said:

And doing a great job of never actually trying to refute my arguments with a reason, might I add.

Well, they usually do that.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 10:07 PM

Will it stop them from crying? Nope. Because they don't know better and are never satisfied.

Will it have an effect in game play? Oh yeah. Already people are talking about manuervers.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 10:24 PM

View PostSolis Obscuri, on 29 January 2013 - 09:29 PM, said:

And if the opposing team sitting under the ECM invisibility cloak is also using voicecoms to call down focused fire on the conveniently alphabetized targets provided by their sensors with both direct fire weapons and guided SSRM and LRM missile systems?


So your argument is that ECM is overpowered because one team will stack it and use focus fire and teamspeak and the other side are people on teamspeak but are completely rendered into mewling children sucking their thumb on the ground begging for the other team to stop beating them and just hide and hope the other team doesn't use the flail again because they can't get a square box around the other team and a letter.

I think even without ECM that 2nd team is hopeless. I know my group (4 man or 8) has never had issues shooting people with ECM and the 4 man doesn't even use ECM, and the 8 man has a single DDC and a cicada. We...get ready for this because it might surprise you...use tactics and communications, and even TAG to designate targets to fire at. And also get this, because it'll just blow your freaking mind...we also use heat vision to snipe. It's this mode that turns your screen blue and allows you to see the other team from ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLL the way on the other side of the map usually, and allows people to easily tell where the other team is going.


Also like how the argument is framed "what if one team is badass super champion 2500 ELO 8 atlas D-DCs and the other is a bunch of trial centurions playing their first game on Comstar TS3".

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 10:25 PM

View PostGrraarrgghh, on 29 January 2013 - 11:56 AM, said:


Likely not, but we can always hope.


I fail to understand why you would want the pubbies to stop crying because that would mean you guys sync dropping in your ecm raven swarms seem pointless wouldnt it?





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