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[DocBach]

The fact that almost everything in this game from tactics to new equipment and modules are being based around a 1.5 ton piece of equipment that was largely useless in the source material, and largely disliked by the majority of the community, seems like a poor decision by the developers.

[Raidyr]

Taemien, on 03 February 2013 - 02:52 PM, said:

Sort of interested to see the results myself. You have players that say ECM kills the game, yet they turn around and hate on LRMs and Streaks so I'm trying to figure what in god's name they are talking about.

It's quite easy to criticize both aspects of the game.

I don't think ECM should be nearly as powerful as it is (or even in the game at all in it's current state) but I also don't want a return to MISSILEINCOMING Warrior Online.

[IceCase88]

Do you want to know why the devs do not listen to your QQing about ECM? It is because your arguments against it are asinine. ECM is not fair... I am sure ****** Hussein said this when Coalition bombers were destroying his forces and ECM was protecting the bombers. There is no counter to ECM... Yes there is and it is called having your own ECM. It is to OP because it only weighs 1.5 tons and hampers the use of LRMS and SSRMs... Oh no it hampers the use of a whole 2 weapons which can be used with TAG or another ECM countering their ECM. It blocks HUD and hampers my seeing my teammates and hinders coordinating movements... That is the point of ECM. If I am outside the ECM bubble I should be able to target the enemy... you can if the enemy and you are outside the bubble; ECM blocks radar, sonar, and other detection methods including IR. Iraqi SAMs were not able to lock onto Coalition bombers because of ECM. ECMshould not be able to block mech signatures and such... yes it should because ECM has the ability to show the enemy multiple fake targets or no targets. ECM mechs should not be able to use SSRMs... ECM works under certain frequency modulations which the force using them knows so they can just adjust the frequency of their missile tracking.

My point is do some basic research on the application of ECM and how it works before you start QQing. The above is just about 20th-21st century ECM. Think sci-fi now and relate ECM to the 31st century. Even TT confirms the present application of ECM in MWO. ECMis working as intended so stop QQing, L2P, and stop creating drama/problems for no reason. We do not need the 1,000,000th thread QQing about something that is functioning as it should. Focus your energies on helping the devs fix things that are not functioning properly instead of something that works as intended but hurts the gamestyle you like.

[WarGruf]

ECM = Meh,

Give me ER PPC / ER LL and I'll kill the mech(s) with ECM and ruin the other teams day....

Seems pretty fair to me. I like to run as a support mech and look after my team mates backsides.
I dont mind games where I get 6-7 assists and no kills, afterall Its a Team game and I get 200k+ Cbill just for the assists

Either that or roll Assault (Fav Awesome 8R) and punch people in the face with 4xSRM6's 2xMed Lzrs.

Even my Atlas RS is a blend of medium to short range support wepons. The trick is not to be the one in the front, be the one behind looking after the front line troops...

[Nightcrept]

Ecm is op.

In the polls that have asked the question approx 60% of voters thought so.

It does too much for too little with inadequate counters.



The people who run around saying learn to shoot or it doesn't affect me because I don't use lock on weapons are actually part of the problem not the solution. The problem is ecm is just too powerful. It does more then any other 5 items in the game.

Most other weapons, modules etc have limited effects and or are balanced. ie. Lrm's with a minimum range.


@icecase88
Seriously? Stupid post.
Your reasoning not to mention your understanding of real world ecm is seriously flawed.

[Fgump]

IceCase88, on 03 February 2013 - 05:48 PM, said:

Do you want to know why the devs do not listen to your QQing about ECM? It is because your arguments against it are asinine. ECM is not fair... I am sure ****** Hussein said this when Coalition bombers were destroying his forces and ECM was protecting the bombers. There is no counter to ECM... Yes there is and it is called having your own ECM. It is to OP because it only weighs 1.5 tons and hampers the use of LRMS and SSRMs... Oh no it hampers the use of a whole 2 weapons which can be used with TAG or another ECM countering their ECM. It blocks HUD and hampers my seeing my teammates and hinders coordinating movements... That is the point of ECM. If I am outside the ECM bubble I should be able to target the enemy... you can if the enemy and you are outside the bubble; ECM blocks radar, sonar, and other detection methods including IR. Iraqi SAMs were not able to lock onto Coalition bombers because of ECM. ECMshould not be able to block mech signatures and such... yes it should because ECM has the ability to show the enemy multiple fake targets or no targets. ECM mechs should not be able to use SSRMs... ECM works under certain frequency modulations which the force using them knows so they can just adjust the frequency of their missile tracking.

My point is do some basic research on the application of ECM and how it works before you start QQing. The above is just about 20th-21st century ECM. Think sci-fi now and relate ECM to the 31st century. Even TT confirms the present application of ECM in MWO. ECMis working as intended so stop QQing, L2P, and stop creating drama/problems for no reason. We do not need the 1,000,000th thread QQing about something that is functioning as it should. Focus your energies on helping the devs fix things that are not functioning properly instead of something that works as intended but hurts the gamestyle you like.

Bro there are plenty of ways to defeat ECM. All ECM is is a signal at a certain dB that is overpowering your sensors or comms. You can use frequency modulation(change the operating frequency), increase the power on your transmitter, or put filters in your receiver to take out the noise produced by the ECM pod.

Your jammer effectiveness is relative to :
transmit power of the signal you want to jam
transmit power of the ECM signal
distance from the reciever
line of sight(refraction of the signal)


The thing about jamming is that it has no IFF. So if you jam in real life you jam everyone in range on that frequency.

[WarGruf]

Either way I'm just a pugger who was lucky enough to join in CBeta. Granted ECM thew a Screw ball at us and it made us think, what are we doing?. But It took a whole two games for me to think hey, this is new lets work around it. Now I think Meh Its not "REALLY" op, just time to change tactics.

The Devs say it's working as intended and "under review" so stuff it. It can only get easier in my eyes...

Oh and all the crying is just lame by the way.. Adapt and conquer, you won't get the victory for free in this game.

[Moromillas]

IceCase88, on 03 February 2013 - 05:48 PM, said:

....but hurts the gamestyle you like.

Your last sentence just invalidated your entire argument.

[SirriusLee]

the only problem I have with ECM is when I cant see friendlies. I have occaisionally accidently shot at my own teamates cuz I thought they were enemies.

[Wolf Clearwater]

ECM makes piloting a light mech without ECM pointless. I don't boat SSRM's, don't boat LRM's, however ECM can nullify a huge portion of your allies firepower for only 1.5 tons. I like ECM, I just think ECM and SSRM combo on light mechs is the broken easy win button. Need to add a "Like ECM but, ECM + SSRM combo is broken" button.

[Mahkra DBuar]

I just found about TAG 2 days ago while deadspeccing some other guy that wound up with 4 kills. So far, I've implemented LRMs-TAG on both the Centurian and Stalker I own, and my kill count has DOUBLED in those 2 days.
So, thank you for answering a nagging question I had, with your comment, "ecm doesn't disrupt your aim it just makes you think it does."
Question though: Does the ECM from a fellow teammate shield ME as well? Thanks for your time.

[Kaboodle]

Mostly the situational awareness issues when pugging, which isn't an issue in real premades due to voice comms. Integrated voice comms would be a good band-aid but DONT make them blocked by ECM too (Good immersion idea, but people would just circumvent it for an advantage, just like they do now). The other issue I have is just match # of ECM per team, uneven amounts leads to uneven games. Every game I start on a team without any ECM, I state in chat "We have 0 ECM, expect them to have 3, I hope no one's carrying streaks."

Almost every stomp either direction I see while pugging, can be attributed (assuming all 8 players remain connected and are playing without a glitch) to one team being able to both be under an ECM bubble, AND have the enemy team under a disruption bubble, preventing TAGs from being useful. It doesn't have a effect on me PERSONALLY (since I run a 4xPPC 2xSRM6 stalker), short of gimping my pug teamates, which while I can usually still pull a good kill or two, leads to a stomp-loss.

[MonkeyCheese]

ECM is fine compared to the ECM + Streak mechs

[Coralld]

My only problem with the ECM is that ECM does not make you stealthy, you still will show up on radar, unlike ECM now which also hides you. You only get that benefit when a ECM mech also has Stealth armor which then makes you immune to radar, TAG, Narc, and prevents you from being seen on thermal or BAP, along with the benefits that ECM gives you. How ever, that comes at a cost. With Stealth armor it makes your weapons generate more heat as well as prevents you from cooling as well as taking up ten crit spaces. So if you want to actually fight in your ECM+Stealth armor mech, you are going to have to shut off your Stealth armor AND ECM in order to cool off, other wise you are going to roast your self.

You can lock on to ECM mechs with LRMs until they get close, but at that close range your LRMs are useless anyways.

[Icebound]

Play a competitive 8-man in a light mech without ECM and see what happens.

[Fitzbattleaxe]

Yeah, those poll choices aren't at all biased.

[Moromillas]

Fitzbattleaxe, on 03 February 2013 - 07:16 PM, said:

Yeah, those poll choices aren't at all biased.

Was thinking the exact same thing. How do we know that they aren't just picking options that are a part of their play style.

[MegaBusta]

IceCase88, on 03 February 2013 - 05:48 PM, said:

Do you want to know why the devs do not listen to your QQing about ECM? It is because your arguments against it are asinine. ECM is not fair... I am sure ****** Hussein said this when Coalition bombers were destroying his forces and ECM was protecting the bombers. There is no counter to ECM... Yes there is and it is called having your own ECM. It is to OP because it only weighs 1.5 tons and hampers the use of LRMS and SSRMs... Oh no it hampers the use of a whole 2 weapons which can be used with TAG or another ECM countering their ECM. It blocks HUD and hampers my seeing my teammates and hinders coordinating movements... That is the point of ECM. If I am outside the ECM bubble I should be able to target the enemy... you can if the enemy and you are outside the bubble; ECM blocks radar, sonar, and other detection methods including IR. Iraqi SAMs were not able to lock onto Coalition bombers because of ECM. ECMshould not be able to block mech signatures and such... yes it should because ECM has the ability to show the enemy multiple fake targets or no targets. ECM mechs should not be able to use SSRMs... ECM works under certain frequency modulations which the force using them knows so they can just adjust the frequency of their missile tracking.

My point is do some basic research on the application of ECM and how it works before you start QQing. The above is just about 20th-21st century ECM. Think sci-fi now and relate ECM to the 31st century. Even TT confirms the present application of ECM in MWO. ECMis working as intended so stop QQing, L2P, and stop creating drama/problems for no reason. We do not need the 1,000,000th thread QQing about something that is functioning as it should. Focus your energies on helping the devs fix things that are not functioning properly instead of something that works as intended but hurts the gamestyle you like.

ELLIPSES!

Your formatting is horrible and you're silly for using real life as a basis for balance in a video game. And you really offered no counterargument that was worth anything other than "devs says it's good, L2P". Maybe people are on here complaining about it in order to change their mind? Novel idea, right?

[Mahws]

ECM is a problem because SSRM are horribadly implemented. Same damage as a medium laser, higher DPS half the heat, can hit targets behind you and never misses.

ECM atlas? No big deal.

In anything Medium and up against a ECM Light? Doesn't effect me.

In a light mech without SSRM+ECM against another light mech with? Hosed.

Don't get me wrong, ECM is still silly, it gives way too much advantage for a 1.5 tonne piece of gear (compare it to the AMS or BAP, same weight, not even close to being the same use), but the only serious imbalance it causes in the game at the moment is in making all but two of the light mechs nonviable.

I used to enjoy playing light mechs, but I don't enjoy holding left-click with SSRM to win so there's really no point to playing them at the moment.

Edited by Mahws, 03 February 2013 - 07:44 PM.

[Wintersdark]

armyof1, on 03 February 2013 - 04:50 PM, said:

I guess it depends on where you are located, here in Northern Euope my ping jumps around 130-150 and that messes up the timing more. But still when you say hammer ECM's it doesn't say much since there is a difference hitting an Atlas at 50kph or a R3L zigging and zagging at 150kph.

I mean ecm lights.

But, I live in central Canada, and the absolute worst my pig ever gets is 80ms, typically 30-50. I didn't have trouble hitting them before this recent patch, but it's trivially easy now.