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#321 Donas

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 01:18 PM

View PostPenneywize, on 05 February 2013 - 11:59 AM, said:



That is, as they say, the right way to do things.



I respectfully disagree. Refunding me 375 MC for a camo pattern that now costs me 1375 MC plus 1.5 million Cbills is not the right way to do things. The right way would be to grandfather in camo packs and colors you have all ready unlocked and/or purchased. Without naming names, there is a tracked vehicle game out there, that when they split tiers and model variants up, if you all ready had the highest vehicle effected, they gave you all of the subordinate unlocks for free. That was the right way to do things.

This way is better than nothing. They could have just kept the 375MC and wiped the camo off with the color system change. But it is by no means the ideal.

#322 TK42Kahn

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 01:37 PM

I think the frustration lies in that I, as a current customer, spent currency in a manner(stingy and avoiding colors) that would benefit my play in what I perceived the long run. Thinking that down the road when it caught on that permanent colors were the way to go, I would happily spend my money on them.

However I also purchased what would equate to one time use colors at a price I thought fitting. And spent other mc on other things while waiting for the right opportunity to buy good colors I wanted. At which time I would trade more money for currency and blow it all on colors.

People are upset about this because when it comes down to it, your current customer base feels screwed out of things that they have already supported you for, in favor of being able to assure future customers something. It makes us feel taken for granted.

You are correct for assuming people will complain that people who played the game before them got better deals. But common man, that's why we signed on early and payed to play an unfinished game.
And what about when you inevitably lower your color prices? Don't you think there will be a bit of an uproar from those who spent more for something earlier and want a refund of the difference.

Hypothetically, I want to complain that founders got a better deal then I did and I refuse to spend money on your game until you give a similar deal. Wouldn't it be logical then to take away the founders mechs, uprgrade them, thank the founders for their support and tell them they can have their mechs back for an extra $20 bucks because the players who aren't paying yet want it?

Upsetting your CURRENT customers to appease POSSIBLE future customers who MIGHT have problems with something in the past is where I believe the issue resides. Its a matter of customer loyalty.
I've already payed you for something. You took that thing away, made it better and now want to sell it back to me for more. And also think I'm going to be happy about it. Those are some pretty grand assumptions to make.

I think another point your missing is that many people just want the colors on their individual mechs back. I would have gladly let you keep all the currency. I don't even want permanent color options. Just want back what I payed/played for. Then I would be ready to purchase more currency so I could buy more colors.
But what if you decide tomorrow to reset them and up the prices again? How can I be sure my money isn't being wasted on a price gouging company who refuses any wiggle room? What if they keep thinking this is an acceptable business practice? How can I in good conscience continue to recommend this game(that I have loved nearly my whole life) to my friends?

I don't need or want white for anything but my atlas...which is why I only bought it once...for my atlas. Now to have the same gameplay experience I, like a junkie, have to give you more money to feel ok again.
I understand that employees of PGI dont get free currency. However as employees they have inside knowledge on the when or where or how things will be implemented which enables you to invest your real money and currency in a more informed manner. A courtesy that was not extended to the community.
If I had had any indication that my mech colors where going to be reset at any time, or any other part of my account, I would have continued to hold onto my currency. But I was under the impression once closed beta ended that there would be no more resets. Mistakenly I assumed that meant for the whole of the game.

I can handle the prices but my concern is the destruction of trust.

I understand that you reserve the right to change the game and understand that's part of what I signed up for. You can even rest assured that its going to take more than poor business ethics to drive me away from a franchise I hold so dearly. Just know that before this fiasco, any dollar that went into my gaming jar had "buy moar mc" written in bold black marker. But for now they all just say "check steam sales".

Edited by TK42Kahn, 06 February 2013 - 01:38 PM.


#323 darknothing

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 01:48 PM

I feel ripped off and cheated big time, my old camo and paint cost me a total of 700mc and 700000creds

Now it cost over 4000mc! ******** ....

I dont care i own thr color forever, i was fine with the old system....
I will not support this i will not spend anymore mc on paint.

#324 FrostPaw

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 01:58 PM

I don't like the prices, but I do like the variety of colours and the ability to buy a pattern for all chassis of a mech type.

#325 Locke Ravenford

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 02:17 PM

People seem to be missing the point that

for $99.99, you get 25,000 MC

YOU CAN ONLY UNLOCK 25 PREMIUM COLORS.

Let that sink in. FOR $100 USD YOU CAN GET LESS THAN 25% OF THE AVAILABLE - COLORS

Literally ~$4 USD for a single color I can buy a pack of cigarettes for less than the cost of 2 COLORS. You know, this would be fine - except that we are literally talking about what really should cost $2 a color MAX for PREMIUM.

The thing that bothers me the most about thier monetization system is it seems that, in lieu of offering a variety in content to spend your cash on they are opting to offer few options, then charge large sums for them.

What happens when all the Legendary Founders spend all their MC? At these prices, people will not continue to purchase MC long term?


Sure, I bought colors. But what the hell else was I going to spend my MC on?!

This business model is idiotic.

#326 Jel

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 02:24 PM

I bought Camo Light Gray to compliment the darker PC Gamer Gray I already had, but for some reason, PGI changed PC Gamer Gray to a light Bone Gray with the patch, rendering my purchase a waste. I have filed a ticket asking that I be given Camo Gray (PC Gamer Gray) instead of Camo Light Gray - We'll see how it goes.

Edited by Jel, 06 February 2013 - 02:24 PM.


#327 RightHook

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 02:24 PM

I like the new option for buying colors perm. and for the unlocking the patterns for a chasis class, or for just one time use. I did both options for the mechs that I have, unfortunatly it used up all my MC so I can't buy that sweet new Awsome hero mech. I agree that the prices are way steep. $20 real money for a paint job? That is way to harsh.
The idea of micro payments is to make the cost low enough so that I don't have to worry about it. $1 or $2 for a new one time paint job. Sure why not. I can change skins daily. No sweat. $5 for a pattern for all my mechs in a chassis class, sure I'll get them all as they come out. but $20 for one paint job! You will have to show me something really interesting before I'm willing to part with that kind of money.
I bought 4 colors to match what I had before the update, and I don't intend to buy any others in the near future.

#328 darknothing

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 03:03 PM

View PostLocke Ravenford, on 06 February 2013 - 02:17 PM, said:

People seem to be missing the point that

for $99.99, you get 25,000 MC

YOU CAN ONLY UNLOCK 25 PREMIUM COLORS.

Let that sink in. FOR $100 USD YOU CAN GET LESS THAN 25% OF THE AVAILABLE - COLORS

Literally ~$4 USD for a single color I can buy a pack of cigarettes for less than the cost of 2 COLORS. You know, this would be fine - except that we are literally talking about what really should cost $2 a color MAX for PREMIUM.

The thing that bothers me the most about thier monetization system is it seems that, in lieu of offering a variety in content to spend your cash on they are opting to offer few options, then charge large sums for them.

What happens when all the Legendary Founders spend all their MC? At these prices, people will not continue to purchase MC long term?


Sure, I bought colors. But what the hell else was I going to spend my MC on?!

This business model is idiotic.


This guys logic is perfect, the prices are insane!!!!

#329 Mad Elf

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 03:07 PM

I really like being able to unlock colours permanently. (And patterns, but I haven't found one I like enough yet.) This was a major improvement.

I'm still not sure about the prices. I bought all the C-bill priced colours immediately (a few good drops in my Founders Cat to recoup), and a selection of the MC-priced ones... but not that many. About $30 worth, at a guess... which is rather a lot of money to spend on fluff. But at least I get to keep it.

Not overall happy with the forced change to the PC Gamers colours, but (according to a friend) they have just been reverted to their original look. (However, it meant I had to buy a grey that was actually grey and not off-white.)

One question though. I'd like to customise the stripe colour on my Founders mechs, but I'd also like to have the option of putting them back the way they are. Which of the current colours is the correct one to get?

Trick question. None of them are a perfect match; Turmeric is close but is slightly too dark.

Don't suppose there's a chance of Founders getting that colour as a freebie...?

#330 Syllogy

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 03:59 PM

Just FYI, It costs 71,000MC to Unlock every color if you pay full price.

That's $327 if you just had to have every color in the game.

It's $4.60 for Premium Colors
It's $2.30 for Basic and Camo Colors.

There are 48 Standard Colors, 54 Premium Colors, 18 Camo colors, and 3 "Phranken" Colors.

If you have a problem spending 3000MC on 3 Premium Paints ($13.80), but you just have to have that awesome paint job, maybe you should forego the Large Drink and Junior Mints next time you go to the movies.

Then you'll have just enough!

#331 Fire Missionary

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 04:31 PM

View PostSyllogy, on 06 February 2013 - 03:59 PM, said:

Just FYI, It costs 71,000MC to Unlock every color if you pay full price.

That's $327 if you just had to have every color in the game.

It's $4.60 for Premium Colors
It's $2.30 for Basic and Camo Colors.

There are 48 Standard Colors, 54 Premium Colors, 18 Camo colors, and 3 "Phranken" Colors.

If you have a problem spending 3000MC on 3 Premium Paints ($13.80), but you just have to have that awesome paint job, maybe you should forego the Large Drink and Junior Mints next time you go to the movies.

Then you'll have just enough!


http://mwomercs.com/profile/credits

Show me the package that is $13.80.

#332 Liquidx

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 04:37 PM

The new system is a huge improvement, but there is still a long way to go.

500 - 1000 MC for a single color is way too much considering the player never gets to see his own paint job outside of the mechbay. 50-100mc per color would be much more palatable, and puts the cost of customization in light with the purchase of a new mechbay. I think this would be a much better pricing scheme (though it doesn't leave you room for sales) - but who needs sales when people would likely spend the mc freely when it's reasonable. I mean, sure you unlock the paint for your entire arsenal - but there are a lot of colors, and a lot of mechs. Maybe people want to color their entire army in 1 scheme.. or maybe they want to have a variety.. either way, 500+ for a cosmetic item that is not visible in the game is way too high. (Same goes for cockpit banners and items - I know I won't be spending 3 mech bays worth of MC to get a single (poorly modeled/textured) item that adds nothing to my gameplay.

Likewise with the camo types.. 75MC per mech is a good price for this I feel. But then to unlock it for all mechs of that chassis it's 750?! 10x as much when any one chassis has at most 5 variants.. It's bonkers. Especially when you can't see the item. Further, quantity pricing should be in effect for paint schemes - so if it's 75mc per mech, to encourage me to buy it for all of my mechs, you should perhaps lower the price so it would be .. in line with the "buy 4 get 1 free" kind of discount. IE: 300MC unlocks the camo for use on all variants of a selected chassis. This way, if players are buying a mechbay, a paint camo, and 3 colors - at a cost of about 300mc each (900mc total) - it would seem much more reasonable. I would then be willing to spend my mc on these cosmetic items - that I cannot see - rather than the current ~4000mc you are currently trying to extract from players per chassis. Hell if I were to buy a new mechbay, a mech, a paintjob, and 3 custom colors, right now i'd be looking at around 7-8k MC (roughly $35) For that price you're not getting a penny of mine... Bring that number down to 4000-5000 MC (roughly $20), and I'll spend that once or twice a month, and I'm sure most others would do the same.

You do want this to be a sustainable product right?

Edited by Liquidx, 06 February 2013 - 04:42 PM.


#333 Herodes

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 06:32 PM

Despite the cost I really appreciate all the colors we have now. There are some *great* paints included indeed.

Doesnt this look like a plastic Stalker? :P

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There is something missing though:

Metallics. Where's silver, gold, brazen brass and other metallic color variants?

Where's cream?

Where's pearl effects?

I know it is Beta so I will wait a while for those to make their appearance... :D

Edited by Herodes, 06 February 2013 - 06:32 PM.


#334 Kageru Ikazuchi

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 06:52 PM

Wow ... the QQing and Trolling is strong with this thread ...

If premium colors were metallic, heat-reactive, shimmering, luminescient, etc., they might be worth the MC cost. I'd pay for a glow-in-the-dark phranken atlas. I'd pay for a tiger-striped raven whose paint job did weird things when it got hot (not enough to reduce the effectiveness of thermal sight, but just to look different).

I might pay for one skin per chassis type ... maybe.

Colors, on the other hand, I'll almost certainly stick with the c-bill shades.

#335 Donas

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 07:05 PM

View PostDonas, on 06 February 2013 - 01:18 PM, said:


Refunding me 375 MC for a camo pattern that now costs me 1375 MC plus 1.5 million Cbills is not the right way to do things.


Wow... I just realized that the camo and colors right now are 50% off? so 2750 MC plus the cbills to just put the camo back on that only cost me 375 MC before? and since 3000 MC is the smallest block I can buy, thats $15..... to put paint on a Cataphract.

Hells no. I'll just grind and leave everything Olive drab like any other F2P. Not dropping money like that on a paint job that I only get to see in the mechbay. Bad show, MWO. Bad show.

Its also pretty disappointing that even though we were told 'no more resets' it did not apply to this. The least they could have done was grandfathered in the old Paints and colors that their customers all ready paid for.

As an example, if I buy a car for 20 grand, and the next model year car comes out and costs 25 grand, if I want a new one, I'm paying 25 grand, but the manufacturer doesnt repossess the car I've all ready purchased so that I either have to pay up or walk to work.

Edited by Donas, 06 February 2013 - 07:15 PM.


#336 Hekalite

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 07:11 PM

View PostSyllogy, on 06 February 2013 - 03:59 PM, said:

Just FYI, It costs 71,000MC to Unlock every color if you pay full price.

That's $327 if you just had to have every color in the game.

It's $4.60 for Premium Colors
It's $2.30 for Basic and Camo Colors.

There are 48 Standard Colors, 54 Premium Colors, 18 Camo colors, and 3 "Phranken" Colors.

If you have a problem spending 3000MC on 3 Premium Paints ($13.80), but you just have to have that awesome paint job, maybe you should forego the Large Drink and Junior Mints next time you go to the movies.

Then you'll have just enough!


Oh, now I get it. You opinion on what's reasonable is based on a comparison of one of the most notoriously overpriced things you could possibly buy: movie theater refreshments. Yeah, that makes sense.

#337 Xiang

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 07:24 PM

Need more basic colors to choose from, and lower the MC cost of Premiums (500-1000 MC is a bit steep). I may pay c-bills for the basic colors, but my Premium colors will be very limited.
/sad

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#338 Skandrannon

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 08:11 PM

I'm actually going to use this as a benchmark. It's been what... 36 hours since the patch? (someone told me they patched at 10am central) whatever, less than two days...

18 pages of comments. Most of them stating that this **** is outrageous, and rightly so.

The thing that kills me the most is the logic, or lack thereof of the pattern pricing..

I bought tiger stripe for a Dragon... it cost 75MC.. I didn't even blink. AFAIK, there are only 3 dragons I can paint. Why the hell would I pay 1250mc to unlock the pattern when I would have to change the pattern 16 times before I "saved any money from this awesome deal" ?

PER CHASSIS? WHAT THE HELL!? You do not have nearly enough variants to justify this, and even if you had ... lets say 7 variants of each mech, I'd STILL call ********, since you'd have to paint them all twice, and then two more again to get any 'savings'

Back to my original point.. I'm going to use this as a benchmark to see if PGI listens to their player base. If they do, something will change, and not some 'sale of the week' nonsense, but a change that will bring paint job prices more in line with reality. Painting a 90 ton war machine should not cost as much as the war machine.

The game is already a bit stale for me, and CW seems like it is a mirage in the distance. The only thing that has kept me around is my corp right now.

I'm not a huge spender ... they've made 250-300 bucks off me so far including the founders package... but if this doesn't come in line with reality... I'm out. I know they won't miss me, and my bit of money won't break them... I might come back when CW comes out to see if they quit doing drugs... but meh...

BTW, MICROtransactions that aren't... were one of the final straws that drove me away from Eve... and I paid a monthly fee for that.

Edited by Skandrannon, 06 February 2013 - 08:13 PM.


#339 PlzDie

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 09:47 PM

View PostKunae, on 06 February 2013 - 11:43 AM, said:

Yep, gotta pay for the best nannies and boarding-schools... man, they're expensive. :D


Agreed, but where I come from nannies and boarding-schools are not used, or at least we have never used it, we raise our children our selves.

#340 Damocles

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 09:48 PM

Would like it if the founders mech color (gold/yellow) were actually owned or available for use.





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