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[Joe Mallad]

Wolfways, on 08 February 2013 - 09:45 PM, said:

I resent that. Please don't lump canon LRM mechs in with cheese builds

like i said above... if it was meant to be a LRM or even SRM boat... im ok with that I just think some of the mech or variants of mech we have now really need an adjustment some how as they were never meant to boat what they currently are being used for. If we ever get an LRM mech like a Longbow or Crossbow... id expect them to be rocking the LRMs. Even the stalker... there are variants designed to run a few SRMs or LRMs and even a few that are meant as just LRM carriers but not a single Stalker was ever meant to be strictly a SRM boat.

Demoned, on 08 February 2013 - 09:47 PM, said:

I'm not upset it is a viable idea imo
i just pointed out in a ECM field, the A1 would need 1 energy point to hold tag at least.
at that point would it still be a A1?
yes ECM is an issue with your idea sorry, but it did fix the streakcat problem (which was good) which i feel was a far bigger problem that the SRMcat.

also i stand by my other comment, Larger maps will cull down the A1s before they get to close for comfort

at least this topic hasn't down to far down the troll pit

you are right but ECM caused another Streak problem... giving streaks to the ECM carriers to use on all other non ECM mech but not allow non ECM mech to use streaks on the ECM mech. That is in itself an exploit with Streaks that most ECM lights are now using at will.

Edited by Yoseful Mallad, 08 February 2013 - 09:59 PM.

[Wolfways]

yashmack, on 08 February 2013 - 09:49 PM, said:

its also the fact that LRM are missiles, they do area damage mostly, spreading out damage making them indirect
PPC does concentrated damage and is good up to 90m, you can get twice as close with a PPC as an LRM

You can get even closer with SRM's but they spread the damage too. Different weapons act differently, and imo they are all just weapons.

[yashmack]

weapons have different roles to fulfill, and LRMs are support weapons
if you refuse to acknowledge that i am ok with that, just because you think the earth is at the center of the universe doesnt make it correct

lets see what happen when you take that LRM heavy mech down out of the periphery and into the heat of the battle... wont last long in a close in slug fest, you might need some... i dunno, support... from possibly a long range missile system of some kind?

Edited by yashmack, 08 February 2013 - 10:06 PM.

[Wolfways]

Yoseful Mallad, on 08 February 2013 - 09:57 PM, said:

like i said above... if it was meant to be a LRM or even SRM boat... im ok with that I just think some of the mech or variants of mech we have now really need an adjustment some how as they were never meant to boat what they currently are being used for. If we ever get an LRM mech like a Longbow or Crossbow... id expect them to be rocking the LRMs. Even the stalker... there are variants designed to run a few SRMs or LRMs and even a few that are meant as just LRM carriers but not a single Stalker was ever meant to be strictly a SRM boat.

Sounds like you want stock mech matches.
Tbh i'd be happier if they just removed the mechlab, but i know most players like it. I'd love the option of having stock mech matches...although with the current heat system any mech with big energy weapons would be useless

[Zero Neutral]

Are you even interested in teaming with others and learning how to counter any kind of boat?

[ ] Yes

[ ] No

[Joe Mallad]

yashmack, on 08 February 2013 - 10:04 PM, said:

weapons have different roles to fulfill, and LRMs are support weapons
if you refuse to acknowledge that i am ok with that, just because you think the earth is at the center of the universe doesnt make it correct

while i agree that LRMs are Support weapons... or at least meant to be, that will change once the clans come int play lol. Their LRMs have no minimum range so it will be LRM spamming in someones face all day lol.

[JudgeDeathCZ]

No.
Like I rarely see any LRM boat include me.Now I use more jack-of-all-trades variants on Stalkers,Catapults and Atlas' than LRMs only.Just bcuz ECM making LRM-only mechs invaluable...
And I rly do not have problems with splatcats or streakcats.Just stay out of range and call for artilery(LRMs,ACs,PPCs etc.).Problem solved and case closed.Another one please

Edited by JudgeDeathCZ, 08 February 2013 - 10:09 PM.

[Wolfways]

yashmack, on 08 February 2013 - 10:04 PM, said:

weapons have different roles to fulfill, and LRMs are support weapons
if you refuse to acknowledge that i am ok with that, just because you think the earth is at the center of the universe doesnt make it correct

lets see what happen when you take that LRM heavy mech down out of the periphery and into the heat of the battle... wont last long in a close in slug fest, you might need some... i dunno, support... from possibly a long range missile system of some kind?

Yet you offer no proof that LRM's are support weapons, just your opinion. I've certainly never read anything about LRM's only being support weapons.

You know the K2 is a long-range direct fire support mech. It's not the PPC's that are support weapons, it's the mech.

Edited by Wolfways, 08 February 2013 - 10:09 PM.

[yashmack]

Yoseful Mallad, on 08 February 2013 - 10:06 PM, said:

while i agree that LRMs are Support weapons... or at least meant to be, that will change once the clans come int play lol. Their LRMs have no minimum range so it will be LRM spamming in someones face all day lol.

this is true
clan LRM are both support and brawler weapons
this will be interesting to see for sure

[Joe Mallad]

Wolfways, on 08 February 2013 - 10:05 PM, said:

Sounds like you want stock mech matches.
Tbh i'd be happier if they just removed the mechlab, but i know most players like it. I'd love the option of having stock mech matches...although with the current heat system any mech with big energy weapons would be useless

i do hope we get some game options for stock mech only play. I think it would be fun for the die hards and for those that can manage the heat issues. It would make people play smart as they would have to worry about heat and force more people not to boat out of fear for shut down and or exploding themselves. To be honest, id probably play that mode more than what we have now and I think it would put more people on even footing and get more people used to working with multiple weapon systems.

[Petrothian Tong]

OP wont stop until we all in commandos with only 1 small laser!

[Joe Mallad]

Zero Neutral, on 08 February 2013 - 10:06 PM, said:

Are you even interested in teaming with others and learning how to counter any kind of boat?

[ ] Yes

[ ] No

i counter them both every day lol.

[Zero Neutral]

Wolfways, on 08 February 2013 - 10:07 PM, said:

Yet you offer no proof that LRM's are support weapons, just your opinion. I've certainly never read anything about LRM's only being support weapons.

You know the K2 is a long-range direct fire support mech. It's not the PPC's that are support weapons, it's the mech.

LRM are most definitely a support weapon because they are indirectly fired which means you are supporting your teammates who have targets visible.

LRM are a support weapon much like artillery.

[Joe Mallad]

Petrothian Tong, on 08 February 2013 - 10:10 PM, said:

OP wont stop until we all in commandos with only 1 small laser!

yup... thats it!! you figured me out

[Zero Neutral]

Yoseful Mallad, on 08 February 2013 - 10:11 PM, said:

i counter them both every day lol.

It's not difficult. Open eyes, see a boat variant, stay cautious, win.

[Petrothian Tong]

and if you want to talk about canon,

god the dark ages or the accension wars...

PRETTY sure most mechwarriors custom build their mechs with whatever they can win/steal/take from others.

Yoseful Mallad, on 08 February 2013 - 10:11 PM, said:

yup... thats it!! you figured me out

On sidenote though: a special mode with just commandos with small laser would be fun!

[Wolfways]

Zero Neutral, on 08 February 2013 - 10:11 PM, said:

LRM are most definitely a support weapon because they are indirectly fired which means you are supporting your teammates who have targets visible.

LRM are a support weapon much like artillery.

They can be fired indirect.
So are you saying they are only a support weapon if being fired indirect?

[yashmack]

Petrothian Tong, on 08 February 2013 - 10:13 PM, said:

On sidenote though: a special mode with just commandos with small laser would be fun!

I think you misspelled "long..." lol

Wolfways, on 08 February 2013 - 10:14 PM, said:

They can be fired indirect.
So are you saying they are only a support weapon if being fired indirect?

I dont have my batteltech manuals with me so I cant really offer any further evidence right now...
let me also say that they arent just support weapons but that is their main role
using LRM as a direct fire weapon doesnt work as well as when they are used in a support role with good targets
they are a middle of the ground weapon and are not suited to boating unless used in their support role, there are too many ways to counter LRM to make them effective brawling or close range weapon, they are long range support weapons
if you dont have a target lock they spread even more doing damage to a larger area, still much more ineffective than a direct fire weapon like a PPC or gauss rifle or large laser or the like...

Edited by yashmack, 08 February 2013 - 10:22 PM.

[Kaziganthi]

Zero Neutral, on 08 February 2013 - 10:11 PM, said:

LRM are most definitely a support weapon because they are indirectly fired which means you are supporting your teammates who have targets visible.

LRM are a support weapon much like artillery.

Damn, I've been firing them incorrectly 70% of the time when I see a mech walking straight at me. I shouldve waited for one of my teammates to spot him befoire I did.

[Praehotec8]

StalaggtIKE, on 08 February 2013 - 08:44 PM, said:

• Revert LRM back to 1.7 damage; with this damage it was a support tool as it should be
  
• SRM flight pattern is currently being looked at, so we shall see if this fixes it
  
• SSRM simply needs to have a quicker lock-on decay.
  
• ECM needs to have its stealth aspect defeated by los; it will continue to block target sharing as now

This about sums it up, although I run LRMs, and unless seriously boated (stalkers, looking at you...), the 1.8 damage isn't too bad. I rarely kill mechs with 2XLRM 15s.


Yoseful, explain how the Cat A-1 can be a viable mech in PUGs on a regular basis, ONLY carrying LRMs. Yes, in TT that's what it did, but in an online game without a team, every mech needs a way to defend itself up close at least a little. I run a mix on my A-1, and it works fine.