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[Bhael Fire]

AC/20 needs to shake the cockpit more; both of the shooter and the shootee.

Also, I don't think asking for 8 rounds per ton instead of 7 is too much.

[blinkin]

i would prefer it if large weapons like the AC20 and PPC were properly represented in game. an AC20 k2 should have massive gun barrels hanging off the cheaks. my jenner that has an ERPPC should have a massive energy cannon hanging off of it's arm.

unfortunately what i want would take lots of 3D modeling work and testing.

[Fiachdubh]

Needs a lot more impact effect on target when hit, should be knocking over light mechs a good amount of the time.
More health, gets destroyed ridiculously easy, it is encased in a large armoured box so should take a lot more damage.
Less heat, it should barely effect heat levels, the lack of ammo, size and weight already balance out the damage rate.
More ammo.
Maybe a little more damage but more impact effect would be just as good.

Edited by Fiachdubh, 11 February 2013 - 05:35 PM.

[MasterBLB]

Because they introduced doubled health for all mechs I'd say AC20 should have more rounds per ton.Also,its heat could be lowered by 1 point.
What it really needs is increased durability as precedessors spotted.Now it's fragile like glass,and that is not acceptable for a brawl weapon.
But PGI was talking something if I recall correctly all items' health will be revieved and tweaked.

[JDH4mm3r]

The AC20 is just fine as it is.

Making it stronger would mean making the UAC20 just as strong and the Clan UAC20 it's equivalent in terms of firepower, minus crits and tonnage.

I like the idea of adding an extra round or 2 should suffice.

If u wanted more powah, wait for the Anni and throw 4 AC20's on it if u can fit all that. Then the whines will still continue even after that beast arrives and vise versa.

[Mazgazine1]

Ammo per ton is the big thing.. If you look at how ACs ammo is measured, its almost exactly the same damage per ton on each type of ammo. To make the AC20 worth it, it should be more ammo per ton. That way people may think about using it instead of a gauss rifle or a UAC5..

[Psydotek]

The weapon itself could be less fragile... And be capable of knocking down 'mechs.

I'm a Hunchback pilot. Not fun to have your big gun disabled with 90% of your ammunition sitting there unused...

[Narcissistic Martyr]

I'd say SRMs need a nerf back to TT damage and a slightly longer cycle time and the AC line is mostly fine with the exception of LBX which needs a bit more damage IMO.

[blazarian]

I think it's fine, but it surely gets destroyed way too easily and doesn't cause any disturbance to target. Like someone said, the UAC5 and missiles cause more distraction that a massive AC20 rocking the house.

[Karl Streiger]

We need a more durable AC 20.
And of course there are allready existing rules for that

[Angelos Sanguinum]

Not durable. Devs make it go only after your halftorso is blown out - this is how other Huge weapons work.

Edited by Angelos Sanguinum, 12 February 2013 - 05:42 AM.

[Codejack]

Write-in: "Better convergence"

It's mostly fine, but I can drop 6 AC/20 rounds into the face of an Atlas from 50m away, and then have him kill me. Even if it didn't hit the face, shouldn't 120 damage in one spot take out something?

Obviously, it's not all in one spot.

[blazarian]

Codejack, on 12 February 2013 - 05:20 AM, said:

Write-in: "Better convergence"

It's mostly fine, but I can drop 6 AC/20 rounds into the face of an Atlas from 50m away, and then have him kill me. Even if it didn't hit the face, shouldn't 120 damage in one spot take out something?

Obviously, it's not all in one spot.

+1 this.

[Strig]

CG Oglethorpe Kerensky, on 11 February 2013 - 09:07 AM, said:

So this is what this about...

"My dual AC/20 cat loses its autocannons when i get wrecked and I don't like it. So I am going to make a poll..."

I have a suggestion, put 2 tons of AC ammo in the empty two slots so that those get hit sometimes instead of the AC

Actually, that is just about the only build I have that uses AC20s that doesn't lose them .. the K2 should not have giant ballistic weapons in the side torso machine gun slots ... period ... (I use them, and the K2 should be allowed to have them, but put them (and the MGs) on the arms so they can be blown off like they should.

However, when I run a Hunchback, Atlas, Dragon or Cataphract with an AC20 (don't own a YLW), the AC/20 pops very early in the fight ... long before its torso location goes out. I get that it has a lot of crit slots, but it is for all intents and purposes no more hardy than a GR. Once your armor is gone, 10 damage will destroy the AC20 ... most things do that much in 1 hit ... possibly 2 and ... and since most of the things that can't pop it in one shot are boated it makes no difference. Further, since you almost never miss the AC20's crit slots it is disabled almost every time.

Edited by Strig, 12 February 2013 - 08:09 AM.

[blinkin]

Codejack, on 12 February 2013 - 05:20 AM, said:

Write-in: "Better convergence"

It's mostly fine, but I can drop 6 AC/20 rounds into the face of an Atlas from 50m away, and then have him kill me. Even if it didn't hit the face, shouldn't 120 damage in one spot take out something?

Obviously, it's not all in one spot.

actually 120 damage on CT of an altas might not kill it. my current atlas has more than 100 armor on the front CT without removing any from the rear armor.

[MaddMaxx]

Mazgazine1, on 11 February 2013 - 08:59 PM, said:

Ammo per ton is the big thing.. If you look at how ACs ammo is measured, its almost exactly the same damage per ton on each type of ammo. To make the AC20 worth it, it should be more ammo per ton. That way people may think about using it instead of a gauss rifle or a UAC5..

Almost every Ballistic weapon has 150 damage/ton except the AC20 which is currently at 140 (7x20).
Sadly adding another shell would make it @160 and the QQing of OP'ness would be deafening.

If any QQ'ing about more ammo/t for a Ballistics weapon is to be done, then ask for it on behalf of the UAC5, which is only running only 125 damage/ton (5x25).

P.S. The MG does +/-50% (@.04x2k)

[Kenyon Burguess]

its not nearly strong enough. it should instantly core mechs larger than 55 tons, and to balance the new power level it should always miss targets 55tons or less...but if that wont work, im willing to settle for the stats staying the same.

[sC4r]

blinkin, on 12 February 2013 - 10:40 AM, said:

actually 120 damage on CT of an altas might not kill it. my current atlas has more than 100 armor on the front CT without removing any from the rear armor.

well to kill an atlas you need to do something above 60 dmg to internals and then depends on armor value which depends on pilot prefference... but i doubt that anyone has less than 80 in front armor so i say 120 is totally insufficient dmg to kill an atlas

as for buffing this... i cant imagine the whine on K2 or any incoming mech able to mount 2 or more of these babies
so no to buff and no to nerf ac20 is fine the way it is

[MechWarrior849305]

Couldn't see any option to debuff. I wouldn't say that I want actually do debuff it, yet poll is onesided. Leave AC20 as it is now.

[blinkin]

sC4r, on 12 February 2013 - 11:02 AM, said:

well to kill an atlas you need to do something above 60 dmg to internals and then depends on armor value which depends on pilot prefference... but i doubt that anyone has less than 80 in front armor so i say 120 is totally insufficient dmg to kill an atlas

as for buffing this... i cant imagine the whine on K2 or any incoming mech able to mount 2 or more of these babies
so no to buff and no to nerf ac20 is fine the way it is

did not know the exact stats but i was pretty sure atlas had more than 20 structure in the CT.

as it is most k2 can easily kill a light mech with one accurate shot out to 270m. srm can hit out to 270m but at that range even with artemis the spread is such that many missiles will miss and the ones that do hit will be spread over the whole mech. the AC20 requires skill to use effectively in many cases but it is far from under powered.

i would like to see slightly more ammo per ton and also have them properly displayed in game. k2 should have massive cannons sticking out of cheaks so people can easily know where to aim like they already do on atlas.