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[Nightcrept]

FerrolupisXIII, on 14 February 2013 - 02:37 PM, said:

my favorite cover from lrm's is that friendly atlas/awesome/stalker standing nearby. INCOMING MISSILE? let me just hid behind this 100ton walker. lulz.

That is one of my favorite tactics as well when im in a smaller mech.

[DrnkJawa]

Prosperity Park, on 14 February 2013 - 09:30 AM, said:

I am *almost* at my 10th death by LRMs since I started playing in June... so I can still count the times on my fingers when I was killed by LRMs.

Hills are OP, use them while you can before they release a BulldozerMech that can nerf hills. (Oh, and don't trundle your Atlas across open Terrain without AMS, + the AMS of your Escort, all working in unison). Since all Mechs (except a couple spiders) can mount AMS, I suggest you get back into that grove.

didnt we have the "LRM issue" before? i mean seriously people need to use cover for LRMs and watch whats around them. i had an LRM stalker fire LRMs at me on River City in water, all i could do was laugh since his missiles hit the bridge support beams. But seriously groups equiped with AMS(no mechs ive seen carry it anymore) and using terrain to your advantage will pretty much leave LRM as effective as BB guns

[Nightcrept]

AMS got a buff jsut before ecm came out.

[Commander Kobold]

DrnkJawa, on 14 February 2013 - 02:39 PM, said:

didnt we have the "LRM issue" before? i mean seriously people need to use cover for LRMs and watch whats around them. i had an LRM stalker fire LRMs at me on River City in water, all i could do was laugh since his missiles hit the bridge support beams. But seriously groups equiped with AMS(no mechs ive seen carry it anymore) and using terrain to your advantage will pretty much leave LRM as effective as BB guns

my Catapult C1 has an ams, and if I ever work my way up to atlai (I prefer heavier/slower mechs) my DDC will have an AMS and ECM

but the reason no one uses AMS anymore is because ECM does it better...

[Rakashan]

Death Mallet, on 14 February 2013 - 09:27 AM, said:

The Problem:

LRMs never got "fixed". The problem with LRMs was only covered up by the dominance of ECM on the battlefield. Well, ECM is about to take a big hit. . . and once again the LRM boats will reap a deadly toll on everything else.

How We Got Here:

On the Feb 8 patch the heat fixes to the PPC allowed it to make a triumphant return to the battlefield. Its in widespread use again now.

On Feb 19, PPCs will now shut down ECM. Which means, AS7-D-DCs will largely become obsolete. They'll be hit with enough PPC fire that their ECM will be negated most of the time.

This leaves only the light mechs to carry the effective ECM systems.

What's Going to Happen on Feb 19:


... whine, whine, whine...

How many mechs do you see running around with ECM but alone (outside of PUGs)? The PPC fix will do *nothing* if people are running premades with multiple ECM mechs in the lance. When was the last time you saw a *single* ECM 3L or D-DC?

Now do the math. 5 second downtime, 3+ second recycle time. How many mechs can you keep locked down at once? Oh, right... One. The Wingman will still have an ECM bubble up and the mech will still be untargettable.

Whine all you want. I'll believe it when I see it and not until.

Even if they load up on Adv. Sensors and try to live at 250m targetting for themselves, what is their life expectancy? Or against 3Ls in the first place?

[Elkarlo]

@Nightcrept
When you see a Bunnyhopping LRM Catapult.
Don't shot it, it won't do any harm to you.
And no i don't use the Tag, this is just my Laserpointer.. nothing else.

The Trick on using Tag and Target decay is, that you can keep most Mechs in perma lock when you play well.
On Forest Colony i am able to keep lock about 20 Seconds with this, without getting killed or anything else, even when the Enemy is in partial Cover, when i got a Missle Flightpath i am able to keep LRM/Tag lock.

It would be the same against PPC's. When you stay in the Open you are a feast for TAG+ LRM or PPC, you stay in cover you won't get much more LRM because you are in COVER... already... And i do that Bunny Jumping LRM shooting a lot and some DDC are amazed how i hit them with LRM...

Edited by Elkarlo, 14 February 2013 - 02:48 PM.

[AC]

PPC fire taking out ECM? You have got to be F***king joking! What is next? My little pony gunz?


PGI has shown themselves to fixed broken/unbalanced things by releasing other broken/unbalanced things to try and bandaid them.


JUST BALANCE THE GAME ALREADY!!! WHAT THE HECK ARE YOU THINKING PGI!!!!??????

[Novawrecker]

DrnkJawa, on 14 February 2013 - 02:39 PM, said:

i mean seriously people need to use cover for LRMs and watch whats around them.

What?! How DARE you insinuate for people to use their brains and pay attention?!?! Blasphemous ... BLASPHEMY I SAY!

Next you'll demand that they organize and make use of, and perform, tactics! NAY I say to thinking outside the box and embrace such radical and match winning ideals!

Caveman stomp or bust! *chants: ungah, Ungah, UNGAH!*

You sir are on my watch list ...... *QQ eyes on j00*


(hehe)

Edited by Novawrecker, 14 February 2013 - 02:49 PM.

[FerrolupisXIII]

AC, on 14 February 2013 - 02:47 PM, said:

PPC fire taking out ECM? You have got to be F***king joking! What is next? My little pony gunz?


PGI has shown themselves to fixed broken/unbalanced things by releasing other broken/unbalanced things to try and bandaid them.


JUST BALANCE THE GAME ALREADY!!! WHAT THE HECK ARE YOU THINKING PGI!!!!??????

welcome to canon! PPC's are supposed to emit a small EMP effect. scrambling electronics in the mech. i think it messing with ECM emitters is perfectly fine.

[Ialti]

Sooo... half of us are now saying that ECM is going to no longer be capable of doing anything because PPC's will disable it all to hell and we'll see a resurgence of pug-stomping LRM boating 4-mans, while half are saying that we should just stick to cover like we were supposed to in the first place. Right?

Well, whatever the whiners predict I'm excited to see the new changes and test them out. Thanks PGI!

[Nightcrept]

Elkarlo, on 14 February 2013 - 02:45 PM, said:

@Nightcrept
When you see a Bunnyhopping LRM Catapult.
Don't shot it, it won't do any harm to you.
And no i don't use the Tag, this is just my Laserpointer.. nothing else.

The Trick on using Tag and Target decay is, that you can keep most Mechs in perma lock when you play well.
On Forest Colony i am able to keep lock about 20 Seconds with this, without getting killed or anything else, even when the Enemy is in partial Cover, when i got a Missle Flightpath i am able to keep LRM/Tag lock.

It would be the same against PPC's. When you stay in the Open you are a feast for TAG+ LRM or PPC, you stay in cover you won't get much more LRM because you are in COVER... already... And i do that Bunny Jumping LRM shooting a lot and some DDC are amazed how i hit them with LRM...

I have ran into you in game. I wondered what you were up to with all the up and down. I was in a fatlas using lrms so I watched from a distance. My point was never that ppc would make lrms op. My point was that I find tag to be completely useless unless the target stays out in the open. On the other hand unlike tag, ppcs also disrupt the ecm field. So if you have a pair of ppcs and you run into a pair of ecm mechs you could select chain fire and hit them both. At this point for five seconds even if they duck behind cover their friends aren't protected by their ecm. And even under the best situations when tag can be used effectively it requires you to drop a weapon and dps to use your lrms. This promotes boating and discourages more rounded mech construction. i.e. highlander.

[Liberty]

I don't think the DC Atlas will disappear after the patch. We still have yet to implement the Command Console which is part of the DC Atlas. Also, many of the DC variants have yet to be released and likely won't till the Command Console is implemented. It is even possible for the Light Mechs to have the Command Console. Likely the Raven although the light mechs will have to sacrifice weapons, ammo, or ECM to mount it.

[Red squirrel]

The end is nigh!

Second best post directly behind the guy complaining about alpine peaks without having seen it yet.

[Rayah]

Death Mallet, on 14 February 2013 - 09:27 AM, said:

This leaves only the light mechs to carry the effective ECM systems.

You think lights are hard to hit with PPCs??? Tell that to all of the lights I've cored with my K2.

Edited by Rayzor, 14 February 2013 - 03:02 PM.

[Rayah]

AC, on 14 February 2013 - 02:47 PM, said:

PPC fire taking out ECM? You have got to be F***king joking!

I fail to see how this will be bad/broken.

[Znail]

This wont kill off the DDC in any way. Remember that the ECM is only a 1.5 ton item, so even if it is counterd so is it hardly a huge sacrifice to bring it along. Not only that, but the DDC can also mount it's own PPCs.

[armyof1]

StalaggtIKE, on 14 February 2013 - 12:55 PM, said:

That will always be the case in these situations. You must keep in mind, they've thrown all of their eggs in one basket. Get past the LRM min range and they have already loss the battle. Also finding a non-ECM spotter is pretty easy, so sniping is in order.

In order to get close to the lrmboat you of course have to get through basically the entire opposing team since the lrmboat of course is behind his teammates if he's not utterly stupid. So you have to fight while trying to dodge lrms at the same time, something that will of course pretty much seal your death sentence since the lrms are way too good at following you around unless you're hugging mountains constantly.

[LoganMkv]

Who the [redacted] uses ecm for lrm protection? Jam/counter are much more important.

Edited by miSs, 15 February 2013 - 08:32 AM.
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[One Medic Army]

armyof1, on 14 February 2013 - 03:20 PM, said:

In order to get close to the lrmboat you of course have to get through basically the entire opposing team since the lrmboat of course is behind his teammates if he's not utterly stupid. So you have to fight while trying to dodge lrms at the same time, something that will of course pretty much seal your death sentence since the lrms are way too good at following you around unless you're hugging mountains constantly.

Well, couple ways around this.
One, use flanking maneuvers to get around the sides of the enemy force.
Two, be a light mech and just rush through them, secure in the knowledge that it's really hard to put down a light mech moving evasively at full speed.
Three, snipe the everloving **** out of anything that moves, and get behind cover before the LRMs land.

[Shatterpoint]

I had effective ecm cover?