473 replies to this topic

[Tesunie]

Wizard LoPan, on 17 February 2013 - 09:30 PM, said:

No, LRMs are simply a weapons system with their own set of advantages and disadvantages. And like any weapons system you build your mech around, they can be used quite effectively by a decent pilot who knows how to fit up the mech to make them shine, and how to best to pilot that mech to most effectively put LRM's on target, and by a group who use that boat and provide cover for it...or they can be used completely incompetently by pilots and their group. That reality is no different than any weapons system tbh, and I've seen just as many incompetent LRM pilots launching them at less than 180m or at a mech under cover or with terrible boat builds as I've seen incompetent direct fire pilots who can't hit the broadside of a barn, or shoot PPC's at something inside its effective radius, etc.

Agreed. Completely agreed.

[Death Mallet]

Only a few days out from LRM APOCALYPSE 2013!!

I figure we'll start seeing massive LRM Boating by Thursday.

--- Prepare Yourself ---

[NocturnalBeast]

Death Mallet, on 17 February 2013 - 10:06 PM, said:

Only a few days out from LRM APOCALYPSE 2013!!

I figure we'll start seeing massive LRM Boating by Thursday.

--- Prepare Yourself ---

Man, you guys have been preemptively loading your diapers for almost two weeks not, just give it a break and see how the patch works out.

[Death Mallet]

Edward Steiner, on 17 February 2013 - 10:13 PM, said:

Man, you guys have been preemptively loading your diapers for almost two weeks not, just give it a break and see how the patch works out.

Are you kidding?? 20+ pages of replies on this issue. It's hilarious! It'll be even better when it works out as predicted.

[Stoicblitzer]

holy ****. what would happen if you put LRMs, a couple ER PPCs, and a TAG on a DDC or a stalker.?

Edited by Stoicblitzer, 17 February 2013 - 10:21 PM.

[Corbon Zackery]

The whole PPC shutting down ECM is a not even cannon. PPC dont do jack to ECM so if there setting this up for tuesday they must be desperate.

Missles were allways over powered because they did 2 points of dmg.

LRM 5 did 10
LRM 10 did 20
LRM 15 did 30
LRM 20 did 40

Finally when artie came out people had enough of Missle warrior and LRM were nerffed so they did 1.5 dmg spread was opened up and missle lock was breakable by going for cover.

Enter ECM ECM shut down LRM which was fine for everyone because they had enough of Missle Warrior. Except ECM was made a little to powerful and simply makeing a PPC disable it is not the answer.

The simple fact is all weapons need to be looked at and modified for the next patch.
This Includes:
Streak missles being stopped by AMS
ECM nerfed
LRM need to be looked at

So on untill its all balanced.

[SpiralRazor]

Occasionally my 3F is LRM based.......woe betide the light mech who comes in thinking im an easy kill in close as they eat massed medium laser fire that never overheats.

[Lege]

I'll be running my 2x ams stalker with lrms and ppcs if that is what they are going to do.
My friends will be running d-dcs and they will be hanging out near me.
I figured the trebs will be out soon and they will be loaded up with lrms too.
ECM needed to be nerfed a month ago, about time it got hit with the nerf bat.
I might just go with a 2x er ppc cicada with ecm.
Then again the jenner-d might be good again.
Should have it all figured out by wednesday night.

[Devayner]

SI The Joker, on 14 February 2013 - 09:29 AM, said:

Could we please let them implement this first?

Kinda what i was thinking.

[Leetskeet]

Look at how long this thread is

[Mystere]

Mr Mantis, on 17 February 2013 - 08:25 PM, said:

Wait why are you worried about lrms, you should worry about the widespread use of ppc once they are even more powerful.

Shut the frak up!!! You're giving away the game.

[SpiralRazor]

Corbon Zackery, on 17 February 2013 - 11:27 PM, said:

The whole PPC shutting down ECM is a not even cannon. PPC dont do jack to ECM so if there setting this up for tuesday they must be desperate.

Missles were allways over powered because they did 2 points of dmg.

LRM 5 did 10
LRM 10 did 20
LRM 15 did 30
LRM 20 did 40

Finally when artie came out people had enough of Missle warrior and LRM were nerffed so they did 1.5 dmg spread was opened up and missle lock was breakable by going for cover.

Enter ECM ECM shut down LRM which was fine for everyone because they had enough of Missle Warrior. Except ECM was made a little to powerful and simply makeing a PPC disable it is not the answer.

The simple fact is all weapons need to be looked at and modified for the next patch.
This Includes:
Streak missles being stopped by AMS
ECM nerfed
LRM need to be looked at

So on untill its all balanced.

Missiles currently at 1.8

[Aedensin]

Corbon Zackery, on 17 February 2013 - 11:27 PM, said:

The whole PPC shutting down ECM is a not even cannon. PPC dont do jack to ECM so if there setting this up for tuesday they must be desperate.

Missles were allways over powered because they did 2 points of dmg.

LRM 5 did 10
LRM 10 did 20
LRM 15 did 30
LRM 20 did 40

Finally when artie came out people had enough of Missle warrior and LRM were nerffed so they did 1.5 dmg spread was opened up and missle lock was breakable by going for cover.

Enter ECM ECM shut down LRM which was fine for everyone because they had enough of Missle Warrior. Except ECM was made a little to powerful and simply makeing a PPC disable it is not the answer.

The simple fact is all weapons need to be looked at and modified for the next patch.
This Includes:
Streak missles being stopped by AMS
ECM nerfed
LRM need to be looked at

So on untill its all balanced.

The ECM currently in game isn't even canon, so non canonical ppc to counter it makes sense.

Edited by Aedensin, 18 February 2013 - 03:04 AM.

[JudgeDeathCZ]

Corbon Zackery, on 17 February 2013 - 11:27 PM, said:

The whole PPC shutting down ECM is a not even cannon. PPC dont do jack to ECM so if there setting this up for tuesday they must be desperate.

Missles were allways over powered because they did 2 points of dmg.

LRM 5 did 10
LRM 10 did 20
LRM 15 did 30
LRM 20 did 40

Finally when artie came out people had enough of Missle warrior and LRM were nerffed so they did 1.5 dmg spread was opened up and missle lock was breakable by going for cover.

Enter ECM ECM shut down LRM which was fine for everyone because they had enough of Missle Warrior. Except ECM was made a little to powerful and simply makeing a PPC disable it is not the answer.

The simple fact is all weapons need to be looked at and modified for the next patch.
This Includes:
Streak missles being stopped by AMS
ECM nerfed
LRM need to be looked at

So on untill its all balanced.

Shut down ECM with PPC at least require some skill.Not like just having ECM making you OP just by equiping it w/o any drawbacks.

[H Seldon]

LRMs have been brutal lately. Most games it seems in the last week, I die by LRMs. I run my founders atlas, use AMS and cover (and ecm if around). But as long as someone has a lock on me, the missles hit. I've seen them curve around hills to hit me. A match yesterday, the first salvo that hit, took out my AC20, without firing a shot. Curved right around a mountain. Seeing stalkers at the top of the damage list. If we had comms built into the game would help. Kind of wondering once matchmaking kicks in if all of these people will be grouped together. So lots of stakers with LRMs and splatcats. Seems like those builds are usually at the top of the damage list. It feels like a period during closed beta where all anyone carried was LRMs, not as bad but close.

[Scryed]

Aedensin, on 18 February 2013 - 03:03 AM, said:

The ECM currently in game isn't even canon, so non canonical ppc to counter it makes sense.

Nothing in this game is canon except the mech chassis themselves, everything else is jacked up.

[Yankee77]

Personally I think LRMs were fine before ECM, and they certainly will not be OP after the ECM nerf.

LRMs encourage smart movements, moving from cover to cover, and just not moseying around in the open and making yourself a perfect target. Indeed, even today LRMs will most likely chew you up if you do the latter anyway even if you're under ECM (granted, right now you can have lights shut down LRMs completely by getting them in their disrupt bubble).

Now that's not to say LRMs couldn't be problematic. Running into 3 LRM boats was pretty nasty, but that's not really a problem with LRMs, but rather a problem with boating. Boating is an issue in MWO, and does not mean any weapons are OP.

SRMs are not OP because of the Splatapult, PPCs aren't OP because of the PPC Stalker, or LLs, or AC/20s, or LRMs, or ANYTHING. If you boat any weapons, your mech is going to be OP in its specific role, but that does NOT make the weapon system itself OP.

So LRMs are fine. If you're getting torn up by LRM60 stalkers, it's not because LRMs are broken, or Artemis, or TAG. It's a symptom of boating being viable in MWO (for a variety of reasons).


Be that as it may, the fact is there are plenty of ways to avoid the Rain

[Nightcrept]

I honestly can't think of the last time I died from LRm's.

Although when I run my lrm fatlas I do get kills. But generally the people I kill are the dumb ones who don't try or know how to avoid my lrms.

I avoid the experienced players as soon as I see them react to the first salvo I fire at them. For instance on the river map a player stood under the bridge so my lrms couldn't hit him and he could hit me at will with his ppc's.

I think people have just been spoiled by the lack of 3D warfare ecm caused.

[Mercules]

Nightcrept, on 18 February 2013 - 11:14 AM, said:

I think people have just been spoiled by the lack of 3D warfare ecm caused.

I have to agree. I recently got a friend back who had decided his 3 Catapults were not much fun to play with ECM around. When he is in one of his cats with LRMs I tend to duo with him in something with TAG. If I happen to have ECM myself it is even worse. I find the targets and he brings the rain. These days people seem to just stand their dumbfounded going, "I have ECM, how are they hitting me?" instead of advancing under cover.

[Wintersdark]

WhiteCatInsurgency, on 17 February 2013 - 08:32 PM, said:

AMS - Most mechs have it available. Start using it, it makes a big difference. It also gets amazingly good when used in force by an entire team.

This.

AMS looks like garbage on one mech. However, 5-8 mechs with AMS can effectively shut down an LRM boat passively. He can fire all day, and do nothing at all, while the AMS group can take their time dealing with people who are actually threats.