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[Void2258]

You can ALWAYS tell when even 2 people are on voice chat. Because they coordinate. The game is PATENTLY unfair in how much advantage it gives to people who are using voice chat. Basically if you have voice chat and the other team doesn't you WILL win, often without even a single loss. The same equation occurs if one side has more people on chat than the other.

There is no way to control for outside voice services like Teamspeak, skype, etc. The only way to make the game fair is to have universal, integrated voice chat. You can't take your hands off the controls of your mech to type in the middle of battle without committing almost certain suicide, so it's voice chat or run around randomly and get picked off.

Go ahead and survey players with high and low win rates, and you will see the pattern: Those who play with groups on VOIP have high rates of success, and those who play with pugs with no VOIP have high loss rates. It barely matters how good or bad you are at the game, this external factor is the single biggest determinant of how well you actually perform. For a single elimination team match, communication is the key, and without voice coms, this game doesn't allow that.

I also note that whenever we see ANYTHING official from the devs, they ALWAYS ARE ON VOIP. 100% of the time. Because they KNOW that the game cannot be played without it. I would love to see them do a live stream in separate rooms without any communication except text chat. But they won't because then they would get their ***** kicked the first time the enemy was on Skype, and have to admit there is a problem.

I am sorry I gave this company my founders money.

[Signal27]

I read somewhere that the devs already had this in mind, and have even struck a deal with some company to provide the in-game voice chat. It's still in the works, though.

[Vassago Rain]

Void2258, on 16 February 2013 - 08:33 PM, said:

You can ALWAYS tell when even 2 people are on voice chat. Because they coordinate. The game is PATENTLY unfair in how much advantage it gives to people who are using voice chat. Basically if you have voice chat and the other team doesn't you WILL win, often without even a single loss. The same equation occurs if one side has more people on chat than the other.

There is no way to control for outside voice services like Teamspeak, skype, etc. The only way to make the game fair is to have universal, integrated voice chat. You can't take your hands off the controls of your mech to type in the middle of battle without committing almost certain suicide, so it's voice chat or run around randomly and get picked off.

Go ahead and survey players with high and low win rates, and you will see the pattern: Those who play with groups on VOIP have high rates of success, and those who play with pugs with no VOIP have high loss rates. It barely matters how good or bad you are at the game, this external factor is the single biggest determinant of how well you actually perform. For a single elimination team match, communication is the key, and without voice coms, this game doesn't allow that.

I also note that whenever we see ANYTHING official from the devs, they ALWAYS ARE ON VOIP. 100% of the time. Because they KNOW that the game cannot be played without it. I would love to see them do a live stream in separate rooms without any communication except text chat. But they won't because then they would get their ***** kicked the first time the enemy was on Skype, and have to admit there is a problem.

I am sorry I gave this company my founders money.

C3 is the work in progress one. It's uhhh, not very useful currently.

[SkkyHigh]

Again if someone would read the forums before posting half the posts wouldn't exist!

C3 does work and will be integrated in the game when it's ready.
TS or Teamspeak is the same thing right now and works great.

Remember BETA! Most features aren't in the game yet. If you want to join the ranks of the other players who have found that losing sucks, install TS 3.0 and start wining ans stop whining.

[Vassago Rain]

SkkyHigh, on 16 February 2013 - 09:05 PM, said:

Again if someone would read the forums before posting half the posts wouldn't exist!

C3 does work and will be integrated in the game when it's ready.
TS or Teamspeak is the same thing right now and works great.

Remember BETA! Most features aren't in the game yet. If you want to join the ranks of the other players who have found that losing sucks, install TS 3.0 and start wining ans stop whining.

Teamspeak didn't save the people I played against earlier today.

[SkkyHigh]

Okay well then lower the % of losses then.

Team work and communication can only do soo much for a pilots lack of piloting skill.

[Khobai]

Yep. Pugs need all the tools that premades have for the game to be fair

1) Pugs need integrated voice chat to compete with partial premades on teamspeak
2) Pugs need to be able to see eachothers loadouts in the same way that partial premades can tell eachother their loadouts.

[Tickdoff Tank]

I see a not insignificant number of people that refuse to use 3rd party voice chat for a variety of reasons. Why would those people use the in-game voice chat if they will not use one that is already available?

I *do* want in-game voice chat, I think it is needed and will be a great benefit to the game, but I do not think it will be the panacea that you seem to be suggesting that it will be.

[Vrekgar]

No. This game does not need universal integrated voice chat. I will turn the function off as soon as they activate the C3 system.

Why? Because I do not want to listen to 11 people who can scream and yell and play ****** music and be annoying kittenholes just because they have Voice coms.

You want to have coms? We already have a DERTH of options. All of them are better because they take the responsibility of good behavior and tie it into the server admins job.

[Vassago Rain]

Tickdoff Tank, on 16 February 2013 - 09:28 PM, said:

I see a not insignificant number of people that refuse to use 3rd party voice chat for a variety of reasons. Why would those people use the in-game voice chat if they will not use one that is already available?

I *do* want in-game voice chat, I think it is needed and will be a great benefit to the game, but I do not think it will be the panacea that you seem to be suggesting that it will be.

Because if it's part of the game, it looks friendly and is good. If I have to go on the internet to manually download a movelist for all the characters, a tool to get it to accept my gamepad, another tool to make it playable, one more to crack it for online play in my region, an FPS limiter, and then put up with a forum that has a clear class split, then no.

I don't think I'll bother playing your game.

[ConnorSinclair]

>C3 activated


I'm so high right now.

[MoonUnitBeta]

That is under the assumption that people will actually use voice chat, and not have it on auto-mute to stop the annoying prepubescent teenagers from ****** their ears and shouting out orders.

I am going to have it on mute, or disabled. I like to play alone sometimes and just shoot mechs. I don't care if we win or lose. I just wanna shoot some mechs; leave all that technically BS behind me and just shoot some mechs. ALL I WANT TO DO IS SHOOT SOME MECHS!!!

I'm part of a casual clan ATM and when I want to be a little more organized I can log on there and join them.
Adding voice chat to the game won't really do much. Who all has mics? Probably the serious gamers. Who all is going to use voice chat? Probably the serious gamers. Do you think a casual gamer who just wants to shoot some mechs for an hour or two really cares about who rushes tunnel, is going to call out targets, locations, etc etc? Doubt it.

Edited by MoonUnitBeta, 16 February 2013 - 09:56 PM.

[Vassago Rain]

MoonUnitBeta, on 16 February 2013 - 09:53 PM, said:

That is under the assumption that people will actually use voice chat, and not have it on auto-mute to stop the annoying prepubescent teenagers from ****** their ears and shouting out orders.

I am going to have it on mute, or disabled. I like to play alone sometimes and just shoot mechs. I don't care if we win or lose. I just wanna shoot some mechs; leave all that technically BS behind me and just shoot some mechs. ALL I WANT TO DO IS SHOOT SOME MECHS!!!

Are you implying this game has kids playing, and not a ton of 30 year old men?

[Khobai]

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Are you implying this game has kids playing, and not a ton of 30 year old men?

Yep average age of people playing this game is like late 20s, early 30s.

[Asmosis]

so long as there is an option to turn it off, sure.

Too many times i've played games where the Devs hum and har about which option they will enforce when all they need to do is put it in the options menu. If theres two clear choices, give that choice to the player. dont pick one or the other and force it on everyone.

Vassago Rain, on 16 February 2013 - 09:54 PM, said:

Are you implying this game has kids playing, and not a ton of 30 year old men?

It doesnt matter how old they actually are, it matters how old they act. with that in mind, yes we have a LOT of 13-yr olds running around. Their voices might be deeper, but hey.

Edited by Asmosis, 16 February 2013 - 10:01 PM.

[MoonUnitBeta]

Vassago Rain, on 16 February 2013 - 09:54 PM, said:

Are you implying this game has kids playing, and not a ton of 30 year old men?

Are you implying that all 30yr old men are tolerable to listen to?

[MadcatX]

Why do some people cry foul about the unfair advantage of VoiP as if it's a problem exclusive to MW:O. VoiP has been giving "unfair" advantages to PC Gamers with a PvP mode for a quite a while now.

[jay35]

The problem is voice chat causes more problems than it solves due to immature players with foul mouths and crybabies.

The best thing to do is get on TeamSpeak with some friends or people you know from other games that play MWO. Quality tactical voice comms, ftw.

If it's offered, it needs to be optional, as noted earlier.

Edited by jay35, 16 February 2013 - 10:13 PM.

[Daiichidoku]

http://mwomercs.com/...e-chat-servers/

[Arcadian Xero]

What's funny about this is that originally the developers swore up and down that there would be no built in voice chat...

Everyone said it would be a huge problem, but they refused... Oh how things change.

Sometimes I have to wonder if developers even play the game they make... Though to be fair, the game has improved significantly lately, and considering that they are implementing a built in VOIP it's another step in the right direction.