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[Star Captain Obvious Kerensky]

Bryan Ekman, on 19 February 2013 - 12:41 PM, said:

Your Light and Assault Elo scores are in the 98th percentile. AKA you are going to be matched against the best players.

This is the entire problem with ELO in a team game. Each player is assumed to pull their weight, and bring their "A" game every match.

When your ELO gets past the newbie stage:

1 - You are punished for taking new players under your wing. The MWO matchmaker takes the average of the ELO scores. However 1 newbie and 1 elite pilot don't equal two average pilots. The Newbie gets stomped and the average pilots then get to gang up on the elite pilot. I refuse to ever be the guy that says "Get out newbie, your ELO must be this high to enter"

2 - You are punished for taking sub-optimal mechs and or trying to level up other variants. I'm really tired of using my Raven 3L. Absolutely sick of it. Yet now I'm back to taking it again because I have to pull my weight (e.g. ELO). A team never needs a Machine Gun spider, it always needs an ECM Raven.

3 - You are discouraged from trying new things; in both variants and tactics. I got a new catapult variant I'd like to try, but If I want to help my team at the best of my ability, I need to bring the "Try-Hard" variants like the Gausscat. This issue is especially compounded when everyone on the team is bringing similar variants. The result is everyone kitted out to use the tactics they have grown accustomed to.

4 - You face very little variety of opposition. Your enemy has the same problems listed above, so they too will be bringing the same top tier mechs each match. The game grows stale when all you fight are the same 6 to 8 builds of the popular variants.

[Vassago Rain]

Sifright, on 21 February 2013 - 06:13 AM, said:

mostly i'd like to see my elo ratings because my epeenor grows on such things. I primarily pug and would like to know where the game thinks i am skill wise based on my pugging (E-peen is king)

b-b-b-but it's a t-t-team game, BAKKA! The team is e-e-everything, right!? Isn't not like I'm getting kicked out if I want to run my terrible LBX atlases!

[Sifright]

Vassago Rain, on 21 February 2013 - 06:34 AM, said:

b-b-b-but it's a t-t-team game, BAKKA! The team is e-e-everything, right!? Isn't not like I'm getting kicked out if I want to run my terrible LBX atlases!

Man Vass, you so tsundere.






Also, it's going to be funny when those terribad builds finally get acknowledged by every one else as terrible.

no room for dead weight in elo land.

[Joseph Mallan]

Sifright, on 21 February 2013 - 06:38 AM, said:

Man Vass, you so tsundere.






Also, it's going to be funny when those terribad builds finally get acknowledged by every one else as terrible.

no room for dead weight in elo land.

No more machine gun flamer boats! Maybe there is a Up side to Elo after all.

[Vassago Rain]

Sifright, on 21 February 2013 - 06:38 AM, said:

Man Vass, you so tsundere.






Also, it's going to be funny when those terribad builds finally get acknowledged by every one else as terrible.

no room for dead weight in elo land.

I want to see all the gold tags drop from their elite guilds. Bads gonna be bad, and no one has room for bads.

But there's plenty of it in the steering wheel underhive.

[Hammerhai]

Until they overbuff MG's and Flamers, that is....

[lsp]

Fooooo, on 20 February 2013 - 11:08 PM, said:

Afaik,

Where does all this internet slang come from, and why. Just type the words out... what the hell is afaik, and people around here use iirc alot too.

[Aym]

Pihb, on 19 February 2013 - 12:24 PM, said:

How is being the filler in a pre made sammich going for you? Just game the system like everyone else does, do your best to loose until you are in the bracket you want to be in.

Now for getting loose in MWO do you unbotton, or have it tailored? The elastic in the cuffs of my favorite jacket are too loose, can ELO fix that?

[Michael Costanza]

lsp, on 21 February 2013 - 06:49 AM, said:

Where does all this internet slang come from, and why. Just type the words out... what the hell is afaik, and people around here use iirc alot too.

If you see something you don't know, google it or go to urbandictionary.com

afaik and iirc are very common...

(And no, I'm not giving you the answer here)

[Jungle Rhino]

I really don't get the Elo rage. Give it a few weeks to settle down, once it does everybody should theoretically have a 50% win/loss rate.

[Ens]

Bryan Ekman, on 19 February 2013 - 12:41 PM, said:

Your Light and Assault Elo scores are in the 98th percentile. AKA you are going to be matched against the best players.

well... thanks for the heads up?
but why am i teamed up with... like 70% "bad" players then? ( sry to say this, but it was true while elo match making was active )


edit:
btw, usually playing in 2 or 3 man premade groups with friends
no sync drops with 2x4 groups

no boat mechbuilds, no streak setups :|
before anyone asks

Edited by Ens, 21 February 2013 - 09:12 AM.

[IceSerpent]

lsp, on 21 February 2013 - 06:49 AM, said:

Where does all this internet slang come from, and why. Just type the words out... what the hell is afaik, and people around here use iirc alot too.

AFAIK = As Far As I Know. Not sure where it originated from, but it's been in use for a very long time (more than a decade at least).

[Inviticus]

The infant ELO is a really wonky right now. I've decided to withhold any further nerdrage and see how it shakes out in a few weeks. I've found that in Mechs I rarely play like my Assaults (and therefore low ELO), the matches are balanced much better. However in Mechs I play more often like my Heavies, the matches are more often then not extremely one-sided. I don't get it.

[Zolthar]

Yesterday I was playing with a friend, and I don't know if it's ELO related, but we've played about 8 games, we won 6 and lost 2.

But our wins were blatant dominance, from all our team members, and our lost we're on the edge...

Like if high ELO players were grouped together. I know 8 games isn't a big sample but still...

[Super Mono]

Ens, on 21 February 2013 - 09:03 AM, said:

well... thanks for the heads up?
but why am i teamed up with... like 70% "bad" players then? ( sry to say this, but it was true while elo match making was active )


edit:
btw, usually playing in 2 or 3 man premade groups with friends
no sync drops with 2x4 groups

no boat mechbuilds, no streak setups :|
before anyone asks

You're probably being grouped with others who did nothing but grouping against pubs, and now you're being matched against The Spetsnaz who earned their rank the hard way.

[Ghogiel]

Ironbound, on 19 February 2013 - 12:20 PM, said:

Or at least I think so. I've only played five matches since the patch, but of the five each team had at least one four man premade.

Also most of these premades consisted of poptarting Cataphracts with dual gauss/dual ppc one gauss.

I play mostly solo, and this is absolutely ruining the fun for me.

Just keep losing and you'll stop playing against good players.

Edited by Ghogiel, 21 February 2013 - 10:17 AM.

[Vassago Rain]

Ens, on 21 February 2013 - 09:03 AM, said:

well... thanks for the heads up?
but why am i teamed up with... like 70% "bad" players then? ( sry to say this, but it was true while elo match making was active )


edit:
btw, usually playing in 2 or 3 man premade groups with friends
no sync drops with 2x4 groups

no boat mechbuilds, no streak setups :|
before anyone asks

Because you're a bad player yourself, and you have vastly inflated stats. I can carry randoms no problem, but you can't, yet you probably have a higher score than me.

Welcome to the gilded trench. This is gonna last until your points drop from repeated losses.

[lsp]

Michael Costanza, on 21 February 2013 - 07:59 AM, said:

If you see something you don't know, google it or go to urbandictionary.com

afaik and iirc are very common...

(And no, I'm not giving you the answer here)

I could have done that if I cared to, but I don't I want to know from you people here why are you typing like a 15 year old on myspace.

[Wispsy]

lsp, on 21 February 2013 - 11:13 AM, said:

I could have done that if I cared to, but I don't I want to know from you people here why are you typing like a 15 year old on myspace.

What is the problem with that if everybody who cares to understand understands?

[Gaan Cathal]

lsp, on 21 February 2013 - 11:13 AM, said:

I could have done that if I cared to, but I don't I want to know from you people here why are you typing like a 15 year old on myspace.

Acronyms as a method for speeding up/contracting typed communication are particularly prevalent in technical and/or scientific lines of industry. It's an efficiency thing, whilst AFAIK and IIRC are too clumsy to vocalise, they make text communication more efficient, which it will generally tend towards (AFAIK is five characters, As Far As I Know is twelve). It's the text-communication equivalent of verbal contractions (how often do you say "it is" opposed to "it's"?).

Also, 15yr olds absolutely use myspace. Yessir.

TL:DR - You think you are displaying intelligence by condemning a fall in general standards or intelligence, when what you're actually doing is displaying a fear of change at best, or a tendency towards close-minded and arbitrary bigotry at worst.

Edited by Gaan Cathal, 21 February 2013 - 11:31 AM.