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[Amsro]

sneeking, on 06 April 2014 - 03:40 AM, said:

dont do it, it was my first and only assult....

I may never buy another assult as long as I live.....

Atlas is one of the hardest Assaults to make work, almost Awesome territory. But unlike the Awesome once you figure out an Atlas it can be DEVASTATING to the enemy.

Make no mistake, it can punish you just as quick as it can punish others. Very tactical mech to be sure.!

[Malorish]

The problem with the Atlas isn't the Atlas, it's the meta. Atlas does nothing well that the current meta values (sniping & lrm boating).

I too made the mistake of "going for the Atlas" as my first mech. It took me a month just to get enough c-bills to make it functional. Job 1 for you is to get the biggest engine you can afford in that thing, and max out the first level of skills. Job 2 is to get double heat sinks and put in ER LLs in the arms, and makes sure you've got an LRM 20 and a good amount of ammo to keep the pot-shotters heads down.

Why is the DDC viable over the other models? ECM, and the fact that smart players (like me) will follow an ECM umbrella, so you bring your own support group with you.

That's me just about 100 M behind and to your right in my JM6, countersniping all the jerks taking a potshot at you. . . .

Edited by Malorish, 07 April 2014 - 10:39 AM.

[Void Angel]

Mycrus, on 03 April 2014 - 08:00 PM, said:

Damn... flurry of atlai threads...

Atlai is fine... Learn to play

"Atlai" is not a word. =) Because "Atlas" isn't spelled like "Cactus."

Seriously, though: while I do think that Atlases could use a little help (e.g. make the arms a bit bigger,) they're certainly not unplayable. The problem is that the current metagame tends to make them very hard to play. Since the LRM buff, things are shifting around again, so there's hope - but I think until they finish tweaking jump sniping and autocannons, it's hard to predict just where everything will hash out.

Edited by Void Angel, 07 April 2014 - 10:52 AM.

[The Dreaded Baron B Killer]

I had an all round build, with Lrms , and Lrg Laser and ERPPC. The issue was I was supporting well, then I would be in a brawl situation and not be able to dish out enough pain to survive said brawl. I've moved to a brawl build now and am doing much better. Sure im making less money now without the LRMS giving me tons of assist.. but atleast now I am actually able to kill enemy mechs lol.. or atleast do more thatn 14 damage (although there have been some nasty games last night lol).

My main thing is not only watching the enemy now, but team mates. Im usually in charlie lance, and I tend to find they love to wander off, or one time a guy gave these stupid orders to flank, and I did, and found as soon as i did... my mechmates ran off... leaving me to taste the pain for a whopping 8 seconds of fury...

My builds slowly getting there, still need to sort afew things out when i get the Money. I bought a spider which I plan to to turn into a nasty little ******* after watching a pro guy use one to literally kill 4-5 enemy mechs like it was nothing..

[Koniving]

On the Atlas topic, I saw this and thought it was hilarious.

If you have seen "Attack on Titan," you'll get the parody.
If you have not, immediately follow the video with this and consider watching that great anime. (Phrase in German subtitles: "Are you the Eaten (ed: prey)? No, we are the Hunters (predators)."
Though from that, I now know what Jagermech means. "Huntermech."


Ah...parodies.

[foyrkopp]

Ghost Badger, on 07 April 2014 - 06:29 AM, said:

We change it to "Fracking Atlas, follow the Stalker."

That sounds like a pretty good idea. Since you would need a non-LRM Stalker (which are pretty common at the moment), this seems to work best in premades... or if you bring the stalker yourself. Can anyone more experienced comment on the viability of a "spearhead Stalker" in PUGs?

--begin.Edit
I opened up a new thread for this, since I believe it to be somewhat off topic.
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Koniving, on 07 April 2014 - 09:02 PM, said:

<Attack on Atlas>

Genius.


See you in the field
foyrkopp

Edited by foyrkopp, 08 April 2014 - 04:21 AM.

[Training Instructor]

Ideally, midway through the match an Atlas should lumber around the corner into the brawl and announce over the PA system, "Surprise Naggas!" and then proceed to hammer some people.

[Alaskan Nobody]

Training Instructor, on 08 April 2014 - 02:46 AM, said:

Ideally, midway through the match an Atlas should lumber around the corner into the brawl and announce over the PA system, "Surprise Nagas!"

Makes me wish we had that mech - battling "pure" LRM boats can get exiting...lets amp it up some.

Edited by Shar Wolf, 08 April 2014 - 08:56 AM.

[Sarlic]

Ha, Naga Mech.

[Votanin FleshRender]

That's it, I'm working on an Atlas!

Last night I was playing my SRM14 Oxide on Alpine, and there's a huge scrum. I get behind an Atlas-K and unload 6-7 full salvos straight into its back while its busy. And I know *some* of the SRMs miss, but I was hitting with 80ish% of my missiles, and that sucker just kept chugging. Someone finally decides to do something about me and I've got to run.

Then, the very next game, I'm on Tourmaline with my Phract, and an Atlas comes stomping up a hill. Ive got some cover about 400ishm away. Dual ac5,ac10, and 2ML. While he plods towards me and shooting into the ground in front of me, I nailed that guy in the torso areas over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and... you get the point. I ended up having to run when some friends of his showed up.

DDC, here I come, baby.

[Sarlic]

Votanin FleshRender, on 11 April 2014 - 06:45 AM, said:

That's it, I'm working on an Atlas!

Last night I was playing my SRM14 Oxide on Alpine, and there's a huge scrum. I get behind an Atlas-K and unload 6-7 full salvos straight into its back while its busy. And I know *some* of the SRMs miss, but I was hitting with 80ish% of my missiles, and that sucker just kept chugging. Someone finally decides to do something about me and I've got to run.

Then, the very next game, I'm on Tourmaline with my Phract, and an Atlas comes stomping up a hill. Ive got some cover about 400ishm away. Dual ac5,ac10, and 2ML. While he plods towards me and shooting into the ground in front of me, I nailed that guy in the torso areas over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and... you get the point. I ended up having to run when some friends of his showed up.

DDC, here I come, baby.

Was it me? Haha. I mostly pilot a K. Got a sturdy one.

[Votanin FleshRender]

Don't remember the names, but the guy on Tourmaline didn't torso twist, and at first his aim wasn't so hot. He kept shooting into the small cover I had in front of me. (note- my aim isn't good either, but it was pretty easy to hit an Atlas walking straight at me).

Does that describe you?

[Sarlic]

Unfortunatly not. Haha. I have seen more people getting the K these days. Although there are still not many pilots who pilot a K.

[Osric Lancaster]

Votanin FleshRender, on 11 April 2014 - 06:45 AM, said:

That's it, I'm working on an Atlas!

1 - SRMs are terrible. Their inability to kill a 'Mech should in no way be used as a measure of said 'Mech's durability.
2 - You're looking at how you did facing down a 100 ton 'Mech, alone, in a 70 ton 'Mech. Most engagements don't shake out that way.
3 - Yes you ran, but the other way to look at that is that you 'could' run. That is not a luxury you have in the Atlas.
4 - I sincerely wish you the best of luck with your Atlas. You will need it.

[The Dreaded Baron B Killer]

Osric Lancaster, on 11 April 2014 - 09:00 PM, said:

1 - SRMs are terrible. Their inability to kill a 'Mech should in no way be used as a measure of said 'Mech's durability.
2 - You're looking at how you did facing down a 100 ton 'Mech, alone, in a 70 ton 'Mech. Most engagements don't shake out that way.
3 - Yes you ran, but the other way to look at that is that you 'could' run. That is not a luxury you have in the Atlas.
4 - I sincerely wish you the best of luck with your Atlas. You will need it.

1- why are srms terrible? From what I can see they're a great way to pile in some heavy damaged if you combo someone with your weapons
2- as i've learned... aiming for a torso on any mech is not the way to go.. that is the most armored part of the whole mech,and usually not where the heavy hitting weapons are... aim for the arms dude.. once i've taken the guys arms out.. he's a sitting duck
3- yeah.. with the atlas you either walked into a fight you can handle, or walked into certain death. It's very samurai like..
4- nah.. skill is a factor.. I've been playing a lot and dying a lot less and being an actual useful assault mech (god forbid).

[Graves24]

Is there a mech that is a bit more newcomer friendly but teaches you the basics you will need for the atlas? I have mastered the SHD 5M and 2D2. I am close to master the 2H aswell. Right now I am saving money for my next mech, any advice is appreciated.

[luxebo]

Graves24, on 13 April 2014 - 10:48 AM, said:

Is there a mech that is a bit more newcomer friendly but teaches you the basics you will need for the atlas? I have mastered the SHD 5M and 2D2. I am close to master the 2H aswell. Right now I am saving money for my next mech, any advice is appreciated.

If you want, you can look at the next patch's variants of mechs and take a good look at what you may want to get. SHD-2K/2D are coming out if you want more Shadow Hawks (I know I'm getting them for variety and fun). If you want a specific mech for assaults that are slightly more forgiving, Banshee, Battemaster, Victor, and Highlander are all pretty decently forgiving. I think that being a DDC makes you die faster as most people focus on you like your the anti-christ or something, but if you were in any other Atlas, you would get slightly more forgiving opposition. Like if you had AS7-K, you would be treated more like what you are, not so much like a sponge target to instantly kill.

[Koniving]

Sarlic, on 11 April 2014 - 10:32 AM, said:

Unfortunatly not. Haha. I have seen more people getting the K these days. Although there are still not many pilots who pilot a K.

I still have mine.

[Ragnar Darkmane]

If you want survivability, take a Stalker, nothing else. Unless you are able to use VERY advanced techniques like torso twisting, using your arms as shields, know the maps and where to go... you'll be cannon fodder for anyone who actually knows what he is doing. You'll be slow and the Atlas is one of those mechs with VERY easy to identify and focus fire components (in other words: people shooting the side torso that holds 70% of your firepower and then easily killing you while you laugh at you), if you are a noob you'll be easily killed in one of those things. Not to mention that an Atlas' firepower is not all that great compared to other Assault mechs. The Stalker is far more forgivable because it pretty much has the best component layout in the game that makes sure that even experienced players have to burn through 72+48 pts of armor just to get a CT destroyed kill... that's far more valuable than the armor the Atlas has on paper.

Edited by Ragnar Darkmane, 13 April 2014 - 12:28 PM.

[luxebo]

Koniving, on 13 April 2014 - 12:13 PM, said:

I still have mine.

Same, though I run a build that can be run on like every mech on it. (besides dual ams thing)