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#11901 Virlutris

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Posted 21 January 2016 - 02:11 PM

View PostOdanan, on 21 January 2016 - 07:22 AM, said:

We are soon coming to the last week of January and still no new mech pack announced...

Will it be Project Phoenix II or Clan Wave IV?


Why not both? ;)

Calling it: Clan Wave IV

#11902 Odanan

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Posted 21 January 2016 - 02:52 PM

View PostVirlutris, on 21 January 2016 - 02:11 PM, said:

Why not both? Posted Image

Calling it: Clan Wave IV

Both: yes. But not at the same time, I guess.

Considering the later Russ' tweets, it should really be Wave IV. Run Dasher run!

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Posted 21 January 2016 - 02:54 PM

View PostTheArisen, on 20 January 2016 - 05:18 PM, said:

Here's a Clan battlemech poll. http://mwomercs.com/...k/#entry4962709

i get an error 500 on the poll if I try to vote.

#11904 Odanan

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Posted 21 January 2016 - 02:59 PM

View PostBishop Steiner, on 21 January 2016 - 02:54 PM, said:

i get an error 500 on the poll if I try to vote.

Me too. Arisen, why don´t you delete that topic and make a new one? This time with the poll with all the battlemechs (don´t forget the Kodiak!) separated by weight classes.

#11905 Virlutris

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Posted 21 January 2016 - 05:02 PM

View PostOdanan, on 21 January 2016 - 02:52 PM, said:

Both: yes. But not at the same time, I guess.

Considering the later Russ' tweets, it should really be Wave IV. Run Dasher run!


Yes please. :)

I'm already trying to figure out how to scratch together money for that pack, in the event that the Fire Moth makes the cut.

I'm a little worried about the arms getting shot off, but not enough to scare me away.

#11906 SgtMagor

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Posted 22 January 2016 - 02:04 PM

heh! does anybody know where they posted all the orthos thx...

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Posted 22 January 2016 - 02:26 PM

View PostOdanan, on 21 January 2016 - 02:59 PM, said:

Me too. Arisen, why don´t you delete that topic and make a new one? This time with the poll with all the battlemechs (don´t forget the Kodiak!) separated by weight classes.


*sigh* it'd probably be for the best. There's a limit of 20 answers per question and I didn't have the time to fix it.

#11908 Odanan

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Posted 23 January 2016 - 02:19 PM

About the probable assault of the next IS pack:

Longbow
85 tons assault mech
Posted Image

Longbow LGB-7Q
max 310 engine (63.5 km/h)

RA 1m [2m]
RT 1m, 1e [2e]
CT
H
LT 1m, 1e [2e]
LA 1m [2m]

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Longbow LGB-0W
max 400 engine (82.0 km/h)

RA 1m [2m]
RT 1m [2m]
CT
H 1e
LT 1m [2m]
LA 1m [2m]

Suggested PGI variants:
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Longbow "LGB-7P"
max 400 engine (82.0 km/h)

RA 1m [2m]
RT 1e [2e]
CT 1e
H
LT 1e [2e]
LA 1m [2m]

--------------------------
Longbow "LGB-8P"
max 310 engine (63.5 km/h)

RA 1m [3m]
RT 1m [2m]
CT
H
LT 1m [2m]
LA 1m [3m]

3 year ahead the timeline:
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Longbow LGB-7V (3056)
max 310 engine (63.5 km/h)

RA 1m [2m]
RT 2e
CT 1e
H 1e
LT 2e
LA 1m [2m]

As you can see, I balanced the faster variants with 1 less hardpoint.

Well, that's a true assault missile boat. Considering missiles are good now, it could be decent option.

EDIT: I just realized I did this analysis a while ago... (MWO Forums search engine doesn't help really) well, anyway, this looks better.

Edited by Odanan, 23 January 2016 - 02:48 PM.


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Posted 24 January 2016 - 12:05 AM

3053-"Bird is the Word" Posted Image

#11910 Steinar Bergstol

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Posted 24 January 2016 - 03:35 AM

View PostSgtMagor, on 24 January 2016 - 12:05 AM, said:

3053-"Bird is the Word" Posted Image


Heh. The Albatross has, I think, the worst case of mailslot viewport in the history of BTech mech designs. With the viewport being in the back of the beak you can't look up, you can't look down and it looks like you can barely look to either side as well. :) The pilots of that thing must thank the creation of the neurohelmet 360 degree viewstrip every time they sit their arse down in the command couch. :)

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Posted 24 January 2016 - 04:40 PM

View PostSteinar Bergstol, on 24 January 2016 - 03:35 AM, said:

Heh. The Albatross has, I think, the worst case of mailslot viewport in the history of BTech mech designs. With the viewport being in the back of the beak you can't look up, you can't look down and it looks like you can barely look to either side as well. :) The pilots of that thing must thank the creation of the neurohelmet 360 degree viewstrip every time they sit their arse down in the command couch. :)

Then, think about how difficult it would/should be (relative to most other 'Mechs) to score a hit against the cockpit... ;)

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Posted 25 January 2016 - 03:22 AM

View PostStrum Wealh, on 24 January 2016 - 04:40 PM, said:

Then, think about how difficult it would/should be (relative to most other 'Mechs) to score a hit against the cockpit... Posted Image

This reminds me of something...
https://youtu.be/mEV0NKKj-zo?t=1m3s

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Posted 25 January 2016 - 04:41 PM

View PostSgtMagor, on 24 January 2016 - 12:05 AM, said:

3053-"Bird is the Word" Posted Image


http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Albatross

I've always found this chassis visually appealing, and the hardpoints would be diverse. On the flip side, an XL engine on an IS assault is always a risky proposition, and this mech only had 13 tons of armor by default - extensive customization by the player would be needed to make the Albatross a competitive chassis. Then again, selling the stock engine alone would probably cover most of the costs.

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Posted 25 January 2016 - 04:49 PM

View PostSgtMagor, on 24 January 2016 - 12:05 AM, said:

3053-"Bird is the Word" Posted Image

not against, but in 3053, I'm more of a Gunslinger kind of guy... or at least a Cerberus.

But man even though the Slinger would be HGN slow and clumsy,
Posted Image
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Gunslinger
Dem Energy Hardpoints.....
plus ballistic arms
ECM
JJ

Also, it has 2 rear facing leg mounted lasers that would be forward mounted torso lasers
and a small laser in the head...

so SEVEN energy hardpoints in head and torso, 5 of which, at least would be hunchback high.
Backed by "fully" articulated arms (well, not fully fully, no hands) with ballistics.

I mean unless it had Awesome hitboxes..what is not to love?

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 25 January 2016 - 04:50 PM.


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Posted 25 January 2016 - 06:03 PM

View PostBishop Steiner, on 25 January 2016 - 04:49 PM, said:

not against, but in 3053, I'm more of a Gunslinger kind of guy... or at least a Cerberus.

But man even though the Slinger would be HGN slow and clumsy,
Posted Image
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Gunslinger
Dem Energy Hardpoints.....
plus ballistic arms
ECM
JJ

Also, it has 2 rear facing leg mounted lasers that would be forward mounted torso lasers
and a small laser in the head...

so SEVEN energy hardpoints in head and torso, 5 of which, at least would be hunchback high.
Backed by "fully" articulated arms (well, not fully fully, no hands) with ballistics.

I mean unless it had Awesome hitboxes..what is not to love?

Indeed, very interesting mech! And I would love to see how it will look in the game.

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Posted 27 January 2016 - 09:16 AM

Lets talk about heroes!

Here are the mechs without hero variants and possible canonical heroes:

Light:
- UrbanMech: "Deputy Dawg" FTW!
- Panther: Minobu Tetsuhara's "Katana Kat" (samurai themed mech).
- Wolfhound: Phelan Kell's "Grinner" or Zachary “Hawk” Hawkins' Grit.

Medium:
- Enforcer: Daniel Waylen's mech from "The Fox's Teeth" company.
- Crab: ?

Heavy:
- Grasshopper: Tor Miraborg's mech (maybe named by his nickname "Iron Jarl" or maybe "Mjolnir"? Should have a lot of structure quirks and viking themed painting). Or Lord Stephan Roark's custom Grasshopper (with ECM!)
- Black Knight: Mordon Greensburg's mech, from the Greenburg's Godzillas (green scaled pattern);

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*The Godzillas favor a dark green paint scheme, occasionally accented with lighter green scales and classic "shark teeth" nose art.

Assault:
- Zeus (Sealth's Native-American themed "Skokomish", with a larger engine cap).
- Mauler (Zachary Miles "Hawk" Hawkins' mech, from the Battletech animation series).
- King Crab ('King' Hopper Morrison's pirate themed mech ["King Cobra"? - a referece to the unit's symbol and the pilot's nickname] or Corinth Brody's corporate security themed mech from the Nightwatch) I would love to see this paint scheme (it fits both heroes).

Any of the loremasters can add more candidates to the list? Bait worked as intended.

PS: I don't understand why PGI doesn't release 1 hero mech each month. It's easy (easier) money.

EDIT: updated with info by Strumpedia.

EDIT2: with the Butterbee (2nd Catapult hero) all chassis could have 2 hero variants. From the top of mind, these heroes would be great:
  • "Lady Death" (Paula Trevaline's Orion);
  • "Starbird" (Hanse Davion's Battlemaster);
  • "Cloud Gatherer" (Isoroku Kurita's Hunchback);
  • Li Dok To's Victor;
  • Morgan Hasek-Davion's Atlas;
  • Hassid Ricol's "Red Hunter" Marauder;
  • a "Munnin" Raven hero, and anything PGI can invent.
EDIT3: we will get omni heroes!!

From the OP:
Spoiler
EDIT4: Clan Heroes pack announced.

Edited by Odanan, 07 October 2016 - 04:18 AM.
edit4


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Posted 27 January 2016 - 09:19 AM

View PostOdanan, on 27 January 2016 - 09:16 AM, said:

Lets talk about heroes!

Here are the mechs without hero variants and possible canonical heroes:

Light:
- UrbanMech (?)
- Panther (Minobu Tetsuhara's "Katana Kat")
- Wolfhound (Phelan Kell's "Grinner")

Medium:
- Enforcer (Daniel Waylen's mech)
- Crab (?)

Heavy:
- Grasshopper (all listed in Sarna are outside the timeline)
- Black Knight (heroes lited in Sarna use hatchet and TSM)

Assault:
- Zeus (unfortunatelly, the "Leonidas" is a little out of the timeline - but Frederick or Nondi Steiner's mechs would do)
- Mauler (?)
- King Crab ('King' Hopper Morrison's mech)

Any of the loremasters can add more candidates to the list?

PS: I don't understand why PGI doesn't release 1 hero mech each month. It's easy (easier) money.



For the Urbanmech hero I vote Deputy Dawg... or Pocket Awesome... either or....

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Posted 27 January 2016 - 10:56 AM

The Hero Urbanmech I'd like is sadly too far ahead in the timeline.

That would be the one that was built to handle an Arrow IV launcher.

Which was then used to nuke the Kell Hounds. Literally.

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Posted 27 January 2016 - 11:49 AM

Katana Kat! Katana Kat or we send the nekekami to pay PGI a visit! :D

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Posted 27 January 2016 - 12:06 PM

View PostMetus regem, on 27 January 2016 - 09:19 AM, said:



For the Urbanmech hero I vote Deputy Dawg... or Pocket Awesome... either or....

Posted Image

I am pretty proud of my Pocket Awesomes. :D
And the Deputy is always ready to lay down the law.
Posted Image
(thanks Spook!)

For Panther, the Katana Kat is the ONLY choice.





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