339 replies to this topic

[Cycleboy]

Thontor, on 23 February 2013 - 09:58 AM, said:

grats on your win streak.. i'm impressed... keep up that win % for 200 games and you'll have a point.. for all you know those people going 56-35 or 80-60 had one or more 14-1 streaks in there..

Some of them may have. However, it still goes to my point that in "season", nobody is allowed to just add more games to try to up their percentage. If they want to make this a real "Mech'mo'Bowl" (copywriting this, but will give to PGI for a cool cockpit banner!) they have to have the stats taken from a select number of games played. Someone already posted that they recognize the error of rewarding that which has no life and will do differently next time.

I'll see how many more games I can get in, but if I hit 50 matches and go 47-3, then what??? You'll say "I'm sure some of those with at 350-186 has that streak..."?

Edited by Cycleboy, 23 February 2013 - 11:04 AM.

[Girth Fillmore]

Some musing:
The tourney has been active for 25 hours now. That's 1500 minutes. I direct your attention to the leader on the Heavy board:

Merata Zouh Ihinimtah 252 113 103

216 matches played. Let's assume an average match length of 6 minutes, which is pretty accurate in my personal experience.
That's 1296 minutes played out of 1500 for a difference of 204 minutes or 3.4 hours.

If the average match length is any longer, things get really goofy. ie. 6:30 average length is 1404 minutes, meaning that in the last 25 hours, this guy/girl was playing MWO for all but an hour and a half.

Well done.

Edited by Girth Fillmore, 23 February 2013 - 11:25 AM.

[Tzukasa]

This contest is a Crock. All it is doing is having Tons of ppl dc'ing before they die to save from falling in the rankings. WAY more than the usual dc'ers that do it to save their k/d. I'm seriously seeing it happen like every other match and it's really getting to me. I can almost guarantee that the results of this contest will mean Nothing cause the top slots will more than likely just be the people doing this.

Please Please PGI there is no reason to have not already done something about this. There is a Simple Easy solution that would fix the dc'ers mid game and the afk farming dc'ers. Just change it so if you dc before being killed by Another Person, not overheating, you get NOTHING no xp / no cbills and maybe even if you die after dc it still counts as a death. But seriously it's Simple, Easy, Why hasn't this been thought of before?! It cannot be hard to put something like this in.. And it would really really help with 4 man pug matches.

Edited by Tzukasa, 23 February 2013 - 11:44 AM.

[OICU812]

It gets better......

Nothing like having people sync dropping and if they don't get on their "buddies" team they go around legging their team mates.....

That and watching a jenner pilot, repeatedly, getting 900-1300+ damage a match with 4 small lasers, hmmmmmmmm......

[Uri Brauer]

Confused.

Rules state:

"Assault MechWarrior Champion - Top 3 Scores using Assault BattleMechs"

...so I figure it's the best three games (by some wacky scoring system) over the weekend (for some wacky definition of weekend).

Yet the Assault leaderboard is talking about 200+ matches - what gives?
Is this just a grinding competition? 'Cos that's pretty pointless...

Can we have some rules that make sense? Or fix the leaderboards to fit the stated rules?

EDIT - derp. The 'Top 3' just relates to Gold/Silver/Bronze. OK, I'm declaring a 'Broken Pencil' here.

Edited by Uri Brauer, 23 February 2013 - 01:45 PM.

[Trev Firestorm]

Such a dumb idea, actively promoting solo play in a team game, really?

[Chuckie]

PGI FUBARed this so called "Tournament" like no ones business..

It has become nothing more than a grinding competition. I was upwards of 56 on the Light board when I went to sleep.. now 190.. Why..? Because I chose to have a life.. as the poster above me pointed out.. the guys on top of the boards, can not have slept since match play started.

It should be based on the top 5-10 match average of each player.. not based on the total points one can accrue. How they missed this is beyond me. I doubt highly that many will play much in the tournament today, and even fewer (except the grinders) tommorrow. I played about 9 hours yesterday, and have less than 1/4 of the games than the top players. There is no way I can play enough games now to even get close to the top even if I don't sleep until the end of the tournament.

I could have had the best 10 matches all game.. but will never know because I couldnt play 500 matches over the weekend to get as many points as the top players. That, PGI, is a stupid competition, and unless you change the way you score the boards, I doubt many will play any more of these "tournaments".

No True competition gives so much bonus to those that can simply play the most matches. Because thats not a true comparison of talent.. its only a comparison of who can run on the least sleep for the longest time. Add to that we have no idea HOW we are gaining points.. you are not being very transparent about that either.

As as far as W-L.. that shouldnt really count a lot.. as we have to PUG, and as such.. we can be dropped with some of the worse players. I may still get a game score of 35-50 in a loss, because I did well but lose due to my "team" sucking.

I think it would be the clearest and best way (and easiest) to simply add up a players top 10 match game scores and keep that on the board. It would be transparent and we would know how well we are doing based on that criteria. No guessing and no bonuses for those "winning" by grinding.

I am going back to playing with my unit, because pugging for 9 hours was no where near as fun as playing with my unit for 4, and since the tournament is a complete joke at this point, there is no sense in even doing it. I would be willing to bet I am in the majority in saying this as well.

Edited by Chuckie, 23 February 2013 - 02:33 PM.

[Michael Costanza]

You realize that chances are, it's not one person playing straight to get 200 matches but giving out his username and password to clan members so they can play when he does sleep...

[Lord of All]

Tell me this isn't a JOKE!

Quote

5 ACfromDC 228 106 100
6 Waladil 228 107 81

Edited by Lord of All, 23 February 2013 - 02:49 PM.

[Dr Sizzle]

The system is obviously flawed. The top scorers in heavy have 250+ games. At 5 min a game, thats 21 hours of gaming. They are obviously suiciding early and leaving the match.

So the scoring system rewards # of matches played more than quality of match.

Be a Hero! Suicide Early! 2min matches for all!

[RobinSage]

The competition has been great so far. Thank you for getting me to drop solo for the first times since open beta started. For all of the PUGS that were bitching about groups, they set up a tourney for you, and it seems everyone is still bitching about people playing or "grinding". You guys asked for it....you got it, and you're not happy? I love this game, this tourney, and all the people bitching about ELO. It's about time the whiners really realized that those that run in groups are actually GOOD. Pat Kell was holding it down for HARD Corp. for over 7 hours at overall number 1.

Dr Sizzle, on 23 February 2013 - 02:55 PM, said:

The system is obviously flawed. The top scorers in heavy have 250+ games. At 5 min a game, thats 21 hours of gaming. They are obviously suiciding early and leaving the match.

So the scoring system rewards # of matches played more than quality of match.

Be a Hero! Suicide Early! 2min matches for all!

No they're not. They play till they die, they wouldn't be on top without a good score too. Once they die, then yes they quit out. Suiciders are NOT on the top 50. I've seen at least 12 of the top on overall, I know at least 20 others on the top 12 of the other classes. The leaders are NOT suiciding. That's why all the suiciders are pissed that they can't catch up. You don't even have to play constantly to be on the top. It's not about how many games, its an aggregate score guys. Suiciding won't help you.

[Lord of All]

RobinSage, on 23 February 2013 - 03:05 PM, said:

The competition has been great so far. Thank you for getting me to drop solo for the first times since open beta started. For all of the PUGS that were bitching about groups, they set up a tourney for you, and it seems everyone is still bitching about people playing or "grinding". You guys asked for it....you got it, and you're not happy? I love this game, this tourney, and all the people bitching about ELO. It's about time the whiners really realized that those that run in groups are actually GOOD. Pat Kell was holding it down for HARD Corp. for over 7 hours at overall number 1.



No they're not. They play till they die, they wouldn't be on top without a good score too. Once they die, then yes they quit out. Suiciders are NOT on the top 50. I've seen at least 12 of the top on overall, I know at least 20 others on the top 12 of the other classes. The leaders are NOT suiciding. That's why all the suiciders are pissed that they can't catch up. You don't even have to play constantly to be on the top. It's not about how many games, its an aggregate score guys. Suiciding won't help you.

Me thinks you didn't read my quote. And I agree with most of what your saying.

[Dr Sizzle]

How can you say its not about the number of games when people have 250+ games in a 29 hour period lol?

Yoiu're right, they're all getiing 1000+ damage and 4 kills per game in 3 min or less 250 times in a row

[z3a1ot]

Girth Fillmore, on 23 February 2013 - 11:24 AM, said:

Some musing:
The tourney has been active for 25 hours now. That's 1500 minutes. I direct your attention to the leader on the Heavy board:

Merata Zouh Ihinimtah 252 113 103

216 matches played. Let's assume an average match length of 6 minutes, which is pretty accurate in my personal experience.
That's 1296 minutes played out of 1500 for a difference of 204 minutes or 3.4 hours.

If the average match length is any longer, things get really goofy. ie. 6:30 average length is 1404 minutes, meaning that in the last 25 hours, this guy/girl was playing MWO for all but an hour and a half.

Well done.

Almost 22 hours playing is a bit too much . This is not real representation of anyones score, maybe in future they make a diffeternt system.

Edited by z3a1ot, 23 February 2013 - 04:01 PM.

[Cest7]

Can the next event be during the week?

Weekend workers get boned

[Michael Costanza]

Cest7, on 23 February 2013 - 05:22 PM, said:

Can the next event be during the week?

Weekend workers get boned

I'm just quoting you for the Transformers reference in your quote

[Chuckie]

RobinSage, on 23 February 2013 - 03:05 PM, said:

They play till they die, they wouldn't be on top without a good score too. Once they die, then yes they quit out. Suiciders are NOT on the top 50. I've seen at least 12 of the top on overall, I know at least 20 others on the top 12 of the other classes. The leaders are NOT suiciding. That's why all the suiciders are pissed that they can't catch up. You don't even have to play constantly to be on the top. It's not about how many games, its an aggregate score guys. Suiciding won't help you.

I agree and disagree with this one..

Obviously they could not have been suiciding.. becuase of the points they are getting.

BUT.... How can you say its not about the amount of games.. ? Look at the Frackin' leaders.. ? Most if not all have obviously been playing for every hour of this tournament.. I know others that have been scoring more "points" per match on average, but dont have near the number of matches.. thus they are boned.

Point is.. this is NOT about the quality of the matches but the total number.. hell even Paul admits it.. as the tie breaker is..... The number of matches played.. !!!

Stupid Stupid Stupid..

BTW curious how it looks as if NONE of the overall leaders are even on the Light/Medium/Heavy/Assault boards and vice versa.

How can one be #1 overall and not even be on a single board based on class..? THAT also makes absolutely no friggin sense.

The tournament is hosed.. pure and simple.

The scoring for overall apparently has no bearing on the class scoring, and niether seem to correlate to the ELO or the Game score. Maybe they do, but who really knows..?? As the scoring is about as transparent as the Imperial Russian Stout I am drinking.. and that my friends is as hard to see light through as molasses..

PGI.. I would love for an admin, or maybe even Russ or Bryan to just admit this whole weekend was a farce. A farce designed to gather ELO data, and/or to find out who is using bots and other hacking methods.. Because if thats not what it was truly designed for, then I have no idea what good it is. Since as far as a comparison of the true talents of pilots, it was Fracking useless.

Edited by Chuckie, 23 February 2013 - 07:06 PM.

[Chuckie]

Thontor, on 23 February 2013 - 07:13 PM, said:

the way the scoring is done for the class leaderboards is not transparent at all, i'll give you that. but we do know from Bryan Ekman that it weighs both the quantity and quality of your matches about evenly.

SURE its all about Quality over quantity..

Thats why on average those currently leading the class boards have played an average of 30 hours or more in a game that has been going on 33 hours.

Quit for the love of god, making excuses for them. I have been here since the beginning, and I will say PGI has done a great job with the game, and am the first person to act all "fan boy" and lay it on any n00b that talks out the side of thier arse..

But in this case, PGI has screwed the pooch.. and they need to acknowldege the fact.

I reread through all 14 pages of this.. and not once have I seen Bryan, Russ, Paul, Garth, Matt, or any PGI rep for that matter acknowledge this travesity. I have see quotes reported to be from Bryan on the forum (didnt go check what thread it may have been on .. but it sure as heck wasnt this one) saying they are going to change the next tournament. But thats niether here or there. This "tournament" is what needs to be addressed.

Simply it comes down to I am pissed off.. Want to know why I am so Fracking pissed off..? I have played this game since early closed Beta, been on the boards since damn near the beginning.. and I was looking really forward to a good competition with my fellow Mechwarriors. I was looking forward to a little trash talking amoungst my friends.. in short I was looking to having a fun weekend using my SKILLS to compete in a tournament... apparently I lack one of those skills to win.. the ability to play endlesssly with no sleep. WHICH ISNT A SKILL... !!!

Instead what I got a tournament that was a complete piece of crap.. useless to the point its unexcusable. I wasted a complete day to realize when I woke up this morning, that it was nothing more than a grindfest. Nothing more and nothing less.

I expect more from PGI.. ANY professional should have seen what they were doing wasn't rewarding talent or piloting.. it was rewarding grinding. That is inexcusable.

I would have done better to just ignore the whole tournament and played with my friends and teammates.. which is what I did today.. because thats what I do with the 18 or so hours a week I get to play the game. I am just pissed I wasted half of that in a tournament that was extremely pointless.

I love this game and will play it for a long time going forward.. but if they ever again offer a tournament that has no transparency as to how we will be scored, and scores quantity of play over quality.. they can count me and many more of us out. Becuase tournament s should be fun to play and they should let you know how well you do against the competition from a SKILL standpoint.. this tournament was anything but that. If you can't admit that fact.. well your Fracking delusional...

[Chuckie]

Thontor, on 23 February 2013 - 07:51 PM, said:

tl/dr for the most part..

but i'm not sure you actually read what i said correctly

quantity and quality are weighed evenly...

as in you need both to succeed in this event. Bryan never said quality over quantity, or visa versa.. he said they were even

I will believe that when the guy with 50 games is on the board.

Right now its Quantity.. then quality.. pure and simple not the other way around.

And there is nothing EVEN about it.. QUANTITY matters much more than quality.

Case in point the light board:


#
Pilot
Score
Wins
Losses
Games
Hours
1
miGu
460
160
78
238
39.7
2
RedDiablo
415
167
97
264
44.0
3
Xenroth
357
134
78
212
35.3
4
Kataris
326
155
115
270
45.0
5
Kousagi
310
113
62
175
29.2
6
Ehose Shadow
276
92
67
159
26.5
7
illmakeufamous
268
113
75
188
31.3
8
Talimar1
251
102
97
199
33.2
9
Mystra Nightwish
238
90
52
142
23.7
10
Wispsy
237
113
67
180
30.0
11
Li Song
231
84
60
144
24.0
12
Iridin
226
92
54
146
24.3
13
Motorbreath
222
82
42
124
20.7
14
Ghogiel
211
66
36
102
17.0
15
Rad Hanzo
210
83
34
117
19.5
16
Rizdaw
198
77
71
148
24.7
17
Rizzwind
196
65
49
114
19.0
18
Nostress
195
67
49
116
19.3
19
Tarys
194
83
64
147
24.5
20
Xiphias
191
67
51
118
19.7
21
Leguvan
181
76
43
119
19.8
22
Kalen Hickman
180
72
51
123
20.5
23
UBCslayer
179
73
30
103
17.2
24
Multitallented
174
72
40
112
18.7
25
Charmerx
172
59
37
96
16.0

#25 has 16 hours into the game based on 6 drops per hour..

And at 6 per hour.. we have a number on the board that have been playing longer than the tournament has been active.

So forgive me when I say Bul Sht !

Edited by Chuckie, 23 February 2013 - 08:11 PM.

[Chuckie]

To be fair to Bryan.. maybe thats what his techs are telling him but its nonsense..

To be in the top boards.. you HAVE To have played more than 16 hours.. MINIMUM..

and thats based on 6 games an hour for a straight 16 hours..

So I call BULL SH*T !!!! Plain and simple...

If games played had so little to do with it.. then at least a FEW of the players from the Class boards would be on the overall and they are NOT..

So the scoring is completely comprimised and non-transparent..

Why not take games played completely out of the equation..?

Average top ten game scores that WE SEE.. !!

Instead the current system seems completely arbitrary.. and no bearing on anythign the players can see..

Anyway.. point is the current system is useless.. and no one can know where they stand, how they got there, or anything.. the only thing we CAN see is that those that have grinded for a shitton of hours are on the top of the boards.. plain and simple.