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[Bishop Steiner]

Doc Holliday, on 27 February 2013 - 09:41 AM, said:

Good for you.

But word to the wise, it's not the Cat you're abusing. It's SRMs. Cats are fine; SRMs do too much damage. This is true whether you're using one SRM6 or six of them.

Totally disagree. I single SRM6 racks is decent, but hardly frightening. Ditto for 2. What IS the issue is the ability to boat 4-6 such racks, or 4-6 LRM15-20s.

Individually, taken on their own, both Mech and Weapon is fine. It's finding a way to minimize the advantages of boating that needs to be solved, not more damage yo-yoing. Simply make Hardpoints in 2 varieties, large and small, with LRM15/20 and SRM6/Guass Rifle AC10/20 (+LB-X) all counting as large, count all other weapons (this is just a rough idea, so this is not a hard fast in/out suggestion) as small.

Suddenly you can't fit Gauss and AC/20s where the Cat-K2 had MGs. The Catapult A1 would have 2 large and 4 small hardpoints(or better yet, 2 large and 2 small), the Stlaker would not have 5 large hardpoints, but 5 small ones, etc.

Something akin to this (with mods) would do far more for balance than nerfing a mech or a weapon. (Seriously, why should a commando with an SRM4 and SRM6 be penalized for people abusing the Catapult? Seriously, how many people find a stock CMD-2D frightening?)

[Voridan Atreides]

Doc Holliday, on 27 February 2013 - 09:41 AM, said:

Good for you.

But word to the wise, it's not the Cat you're abusing. It's SRMs. Cats are fine; SRMs do too much damage. This is true whether you're using one SRM6 or six of them.

Cats are not fine. 1 - 3 SRM6s is juuuust fine but 6?????

[Josef Nader]

JadePanther, on 27 February 2013 - 10:00 AM, said:

the cat problem is all about hardpoints.. And it always will.. Torso ballistics allow for gauss and ac20's with little worry of losing an arm.. the a1's 6 missile points is a boaters heaven and allows the splatcat and streak cat to be OP..

Other mechs can and will have comparable hardpoints. The problem with the cat is that it combines great hardpoints with other excellent characteristics like a massive torso traverse, jump capability, much more consistent convergence, and the ability to alpha strike at the extremes of it's massive traverse.

The Stalker is the Catapult with more armor and hardpoints, minus speed and traverse and I feel the Stalker has plenty of weaknesses. This honestly breaks down to how many downsides a chassis has, and the only two cat pilots can offer up are "It's got a big head and you can shoot the ears pretty easily." Well whoop-de-doodle-doo. That's nothing compared to the advantages it has.

[Agent 0 Fortune]

What is a skill cat? I'm pretty sure almost every version of the catapult is considered "cheese" by default due to inherent advantages of the chassis.

The only possible representation of a "skill mech" should be a trial mech.

Edited by Agent 0 Fortune, 27 February 2013 - 10:09 AM.

[Voridan Atreides]

Ironbound, on 27 February 2013 - 09:40 AM, said:

And this is my formal apology to everyone. If you see me in game, I'm sorry, but I'm probably piloting a skillcat, and it's because when I finish the game with 1000+ damage and 3-5 kills, I want you to hate the mech as much as I do.

In that case I will start piloting an ECM Raven.

[Havyek]

Josef Nader, on 27 February 2013 - 09:54 AM, said:

Then why are SRMs fine on -every other mech in the game-?

No, the problem is inherent with the Catapult chassis. It's got too many good qualities and beans for negative qualities. It's why every cheese build that doesn't rely on a specific gimmick (the PPC/Gauss poptarts and the ECM Cravens) comes out of the Cat.

Have you seen the forehead on the Catapult? I head shoot them by accident.

[Doc Holliday]

Voridan Atreides, on 27 February 2013 - 10:08 AM, said:

Cats are not fine. 1 - 3 SRM6s is juuuust fine but 6?????

Nope. The Cat A1 is just a magnifying glass on the real issue.
1-3 SRM6's still do too much damage accordingly. It's just a lot less noticeable.

You could nerf their damage by 20% and I believe almost as many people would still use them. I sure would, because even then they'd still be very good and well worth taking. Whether it's one or six.

Edited by Doc Holliday, 27 February 2013 - 10:11 AM.

[Ngamok]

Ironbound, on 27 February 2013 - 09:40 AM, said:

And this is my formal apology to everyone. If you see me in game, I'm sorry, but I'm probably piloting a skillcat, and it's because when I finish the game with 1000+ damage and 3-5 kills, I want you to hate the mech as much as I do.

Riiight. You play it because you like the damage it produces. You don't play it because you want to make a point. Are you the type of person that will throw paint on a leather / fur coat because you don't believe we should use those resources that way or do you do it because you are mad at the person because they bought one.

[KinLuu]

Vassago Rain, on 27 February 2013 - 09:48 AM, said:

Go away, reddit.

Reddit vs. 4chan cripplefight?

GOGOGO!

[Bishop Steiner]

BDU Havoc, on 27 February 2013 - 10:09 AM, said:

Have you seen the forehead on the Catapult? I head shoot them by accident.

this. x100. Lolz. I love my GaussKitty, but it's got a bigger forehead than Peyton Manning!

[Voridan Atreides]

Agent 0 Fortune, on 27 February 2013 - 10:09 AM, said:

What is a skill cat? I'm pretty sure almost every version of the catapult is considered "cheese" by default due to inherent advantages of the chassis.

The only possible representation of a "skill mech" should be a trial mech.

There is no such thing as a "skillcat". Hardly any Cat build so far really requires skill so I do not know where he got that from.

Edited by Voridan Atreides, 27 February 2013 - 10:11 AM.

[Utilyan]

Ironbound, on 27 February 2013 - 09:40 AM, said:

And this is my formal apology to everyone. If you see me in game, I'm sorry, but I'm probably piloting a skillcat, and it's because when I finish the game with 1000+ damage and 3-5 kills, I want you to hate the mech as much as I do.

If anyone here can confidently pilot what they consider is easy hitting 1000+ you actually doing everyone a great service. You should never feel guilty in your ride, long run your making better pilots out the folks you beat up.

[Ngamok]

Also, forgot to add, I like beef. I love RIbeyes. I do not go down to PETA and sit in front of their office all day eating hamburgers and grilling food for other people. I could do that and it would probably cause rage to those people who work there.

[Doc Holliday]

Ngamok, on 27 February 2013 - 10:12 AM, said:

Also, forgot to add, I like beef. I love RIbeyes. I do not go down to PETA and sit in front of their office all day eating hamburgers and grilling food for other people. I could do that and it would probably cause rage to those people who work there.

I think you should, just for the lulz.

[Voridan Atreides]

Doc Holliday, on 27 February 2013 - 10:10 AM, said:

Nope. The Cat A1 is just a magnifying glass on the real issue.
1-3 SRM6's still do too much damage accordingly. It's just a lot less noticeable.

There damage is fine. Three SRM6s on an Atlas is totally fine. Why? That Atlas is slow and has terrible maneuverability which give it a weakness therefore balance. The same cannot be said for the A1 which has 6 missile hard points, enough ammo space for all those SRM6s and very good speed and maneuverability. Have you seen the Cats twist?????

Edited by Voridan Atreides, 27 February 2013 - 10:14 AM.

[Ghogiel]

Broceratops, on 27 February 2013 - 09:53 AM, said:

if having to aim 36 unguided missiles at the same time isn't skill i don't know what is!

It can only be out skilled by aiming a tag laser and unleashing 80 guided missiles

[ChrisOrange]

Ironbound, on 27 February 2013 - 09:40 AM, said:

And this is my formal apology to everyone. If you see me in game, I'm sorry, but I'm probably piloting a skillcat, and it's because when I finish the game with 1000+ damage and 3-5 kills, I want you to hate the mech as much as I do.

Also here's another tip for your OP.

Make sure to have a funny saying or witty quip pasted to your clipboard. Every time you kill someone you induce the maximum rage.

"killed because you're bad"
"skill kill"
"you're a garbage can"
"i'm the best player in the world"

Then when they type back at you in rage....make sure you are ready to point out how they are whining crybaby or just a tryhard-buttmad. Now you're on your way!!!

Edited by ChrisOrange, 27 February 2013 - 10:15 AM.

[Josef Nader]

BDU Havoc, on 27 February 2013 - 10:09 AM, said:

Have you seen the forehead on the Catapult? I head shoot them by accident.

And then the Cat blows off three quarters of your mech when you're standing almost directly behind his legs. Giggling madly to himself, he throttles up faster than most medium mechs can achieve and jump-jets away.

[Voridan Atreides]

Utilyan, on 27 February 2013 - 10:12 AM, said:

If anyone here can confidently pilot what they consider is easy hitting 1000+ you actually doing everyone a great service. You should never feel guilty in your ride, long run your making better pilots out the folks you beat up.

In the long run your are sending players packing. Have you seen how many rage quits posts there have been over SRM Cats? First it was SSRM Cats now its SRM Cats.

ChrisOrange, on 27 February 2013 - 10:14 AM, said:

Also here's another tip for your OP.

Make sure to have a funny saying or witty quip pasted to your clipboard. Every time you kill someone you induce the maximum rage.

"killed because you're bad"
"skill kill"
"you're a garbage can"
"i'm the best player in the world"

Then when they type back at you in rage....make sure you are ready to point out how they are whining crybaby or just a tryhard-buttmad. Now you're on your way!!!

That would absolutely drive me insane.

[Havyek]

Josef Nader, on 27 February 2013 - 10:15 AM, said:

And then the Cat blows off three quarters of your mech when you're standing almost directly behind his legs. Giggling madly to himself, he throttles up faster than most medium mechs can achieve and jump-jets away.

If you're standing still that close to any 'Mech, you deserve whatever comes next.