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[Calimaw]

I don't have a 3L. I hate them because they are OP.
I started with Commando-2D, dropped it and went with Cicada-3M.

I'm going to get a 3L.
Current stats with out having used a 3L below...


Unfortunately Avg. Damage is not recorded ( lol, seriously... why not? )

Edited by Calimaw, 03 March 2013 - 10:30 AM.

[Mystere]

Calimaw, on 03 March 2013 - 10:17 AM, said:

In fact... I'm going to farm a Mastered 3L, and absolutely destroy people to the point that it cannot be ignored ...

I and a few others are planning a bird hunt. As such, please provide everyone details of your gaming schedule.

[Duncan Longwood]

The thing that is cheesing me off about the raven is that they(PGI, trolls) know it's a problem yet they leave it in the game. I have watched ppc's and srm's just bounce off the 3L. Sparks fly, paper doll flashes and... barely yellow.

To all the 3L trolls who run it just because it's terrible: How many new or old players are you gonna scare off by the time state-rewind is patched in and the leg hitboxes are fixed on the 19th? That will be a quarter of the open beta that you have trolled the playerbase. You can't really think less players will make this game better? Will less money make PGI a better developer or speed up critical patches?

This is the only beef I have with this game. ECM... meh. LRM's...hide. Mis-matched tonnage.. hit and move. Raven 3L taking 2ppc blasts or 3 srm6 salvos to the face and running away with barely a scratch... nothing I can do on my end. Almost every other time I die I can say to myself, "Well you shouldn't have done/been/tried X." I can adapt my playstyle the next round and learn from my mistakes. So... how am I supposed to adapt to this? Where is my teachable moment where I L2Play?

[Spinning Burr]

Don't forget about lack of collisions. In addition to speed, armor, ecm, streaks, lag shield, and hit boxes... there is no collision or falldown! Don't do anything to nerf the 3L, but fix the netcode instead. Fine. Good. When? And include collisions and falling in that fix already. The game has now been without collisions longer than with collisions, and I preferred it the way it was than the way it is.

When collisions where removed, we were all led to believe that this is a temporary step to fix and tweak some code and improve it ASAP. Please pardon the temporary inconvenience players, this is after all a beta. We are working on improving and returning collisions as fast as we can.

How long ago was that? Who in the community still believes that bringing collisions back is a high priority for the development team?

Lights are and will be abused until netcode (including hitboxes and collisions) are fixed. Focus on that. When is it going to happen?

[Calimaw]

Mystere, on 03 March 2013 - 10:29 AM, said:

I and a few others are planning a bird hunt. As such, please provide everyone details of your gaming schedule.

Generally I am on in the late evening to early mornings on any given night.
So find me while I farm that 2X and 4X, and early 3L, because after that a vetted 2D&3M pilot in a 3L is going to be grossly responsible for damage and kills on the team.

As a 2D, familiar with ECM ( and ' the window ' ) and SSRM(2)
As a 3M, familiar with Medium Laser skill-shots
As a proponent against 3L, I know their tiny chicken legs are hard to hit, can be covered by their enormous nose, and their hide able to change position to be covered by Center Torso in an instant.
I know that they are 2nd fastest, 3rd lowest (barely, if not 2nd) profile.

Good hunting

Oops! I forgot to give you my time zone. I am Central, US (GMT -6)

Edited by Calimaw, 03 March 2013 - 10:43 AM.

[Calimaw]

Mystere, on 03 March 2013 - 10:29 AM, said:

I and a few others are planning a bird hunt. As such, please provide everyone details of your gaming schedule.

List the names of your buddies, Ill try to remember them and we can kill our respective enemy 3L's and lol about it

[Novakaine]

Raven 3L.
Way overpowered for a supposed scout mech.

[Khobai]

The Raven-3L is the symptom of the problem. The problem is poorly balanced missiles and ECM.

[Klaus]

Jestun, on 03 March 2013 - 02:37 AM, said:

The 3L very much is a problem.

However, I don't think it's the mech itself but the combination of the speed, ECM & missile slots, along with lag shield.

Lag shield? That's been gone for a long time. Maybe you should buy a new computer.

[Mystere]

Calimaw, on 03 March 2013 - 10:37 AM, said:

Good hunting

Pull!

[MayGay]

ObsidianSpectre, on 03 March 2013 - 02:36 AM, said:

Seriously everyone, just stop. The Raven 3L is not the problem. There've been a number of threads lately demanding nerfs for it, and it's the wrong target.

Think about it. 3 months ago, Ravens were rarely spotted. It was the Jenner everyone feared, and running a Raven just got your teammates to ask why you weren't in a Jenner. Ask yourselves, what changed that made the 3L start looking overpowered? What's the one change that happened that suddenly made them popular and so powerful on the battlefield?

This is an easy question, you should all get the correct answer.

I'm terrified that some developers might see all the threads asking for nerfs for the 3L and think "Oh hey, that's all we need to do, and then everything will be balanced!". Then they'll do it, and the problem won't be solved, and instead a bigger mess will be made of it. Next we'll have to deal with a bunch of threads demanding nerfs for the COM-2D. And after that, we'll need to nerf CDA-3Ms or SDR-5Ds, with extra complaints when they have JR7-D backup. And if the real problem ever does get fixed, then all those nerfs we piled on make all the affected mechs underpowered jokes.

What I'm saying is, please consider carefully what you target for nerfing.

I've hit a raven with multiple quad medium laser bursts from my JR7-D all seemingly in the center torso and he killed me with all his torsos and arms barely yellow. and for the record I almost always have a 14 ping, it's the fracked up hit boxes that is the problem, I had similar experiances in my JR7-F before I sold it

[Rift Hawk]

Fred013, on 03 March 2013 - 02:41 AM, said:

Not the Raven 3L. Streaks and ECM. Divert the Raven hatred to streaks and ECM.

There's nothing wrong with ravens. I love dems.

The raven is just as much a problem as streaks are. The hit boxes on the raven are terrible. The mech takes more to bring down at this point than an atlas.

[Yokaiko]

Khobai, on 03 March 2013 - 11:36 AM, said:

The Raven-3L is the symptom of the problem. The problem is poorly balanced missiles and ECM.

ECM.

Without ECM all ravens are jenner bait.

[Wispsy]

Yokaiko, on 03 March 2013 - 12:21 PM, said:

ECM.

Without ECM all ravens are jenner bait.

And most of the Jenners use SSRMs?

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

theres as much chance ppl will stop this as they will stop crying about lrms

[Yokaiko]

Wispsy, on 03 March 2013 - 12:22 PM, said:

And most of the Jenners use SSRMs?

It certainly helps.

I had my D(F) out this morning I can get a Raven with x2 srm4s x2 slas and x2mlas it just takes longer, and if there are two I'm ******. Two SSRM and not having to down a pair of lasers to small would be more efficient.


On that note I forgot how much damn fun the Jenners were.

Edited by Yokaiko, 03 March 2013 - 12:26 PM.

[Khobai]

Quote

ECM.

Without ECM all ravens are jenner bait.

Most jenners I see use six pulse lasers because the shorter duration makes it easy to destroy other lights. So why would ECM have any effect on jenners? The truth is it doesn't really...

What makes the raven superior to the jenner is streaks. streaks are overpowered as all hell.

ECM is more of a problem vs LRMs. It hard counters LRMs way too much.


IMO the solution is fairly simple...
1) change streaks so they don't automatically hit anymore and maybe even reduce the damage.
2) decrease the damage on LRMs, increase the travel speed, and maybe nerf indirect LRM spread.
3) change ECM so it no longer jams streaks or gives stealth to your whole team
4) add null signature system to the game so if players want stealth they can get it but with all the downsides it comes with

Missiles would be balanced then and ECM would be balanced then.

Edited by Khobai, 03 March 2013 - 12:58 PM.

[Yokaiko]

Khobai, on 03 March 2013 - 12:51 PM, said:

Most jenners use six pulse lasers because the shorter duration makes it easy to destroy other lights. So why would ECM have any effect on jenners? The truth is it doesn't really...

What makes the raven superior to the jenner is streaks. streaks are overpowered as all hell.

ECM is more of a problem vs LRMs. It hard counters LRMs way too much.

I never got along with pulses on either Jenners, Raven's or Cicadas for that matter. I like I shoot to much I think. Likewise I'm not sure where the sudden -F love came from.

I haven't seen one in a while.

[urmamasllama]

you're right the 3L isn't the problem the raven's hitbox and broken netcode are the problem

it doesn't need to be nerfed it needs massive bug fixes

Edited by urmamasllama, 03 March 2013 - 01:02 PM.

[Zerstorer Stallin]

Wispsy, on 03 March 2013 - 12:22 PM, said:

And most of the Jenners use SSRMs?

why in hades would a jenner pilot use SSRMs? So he cant fire them around all the 3Ls?