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[Terror Teddy]

Major Scumbag, on 04 March 2013 - 01:36 PM, said:

Oddly I had to read the patch notes for tomorrow at IGN. We all have to deal with people hiding behind the entire team and comes out only to KS. This Savior bonus seems to reward KS.

You know, I'll do that. When I see you in a ****** situation about to get asploded I'll just ignore you because you might be thinking I'll "steal" your kill.

Or would you prefer me to save your ***?

The tactic you describe have been in use by medieval infantry for thousands of years. Distract the enemy and an ally runs in behind them an hamstrings them so that you can kill them easier.

It's called helping your fellow soldier.

[Tarman]

Phalanx100bc, on 04 March 2013 - 01:49 PM, said:

Won't make a rat's *** difference for PUGS who sit way perched on high points on the back of the map waiting for 4mans to do all the real fighting before they move in....

Unless they just peel off for a base cap without telling anyone and thus avoid fighting altogether.

Listen to the hero here. I thought 4manz liked to burn off their pugs and then go fight the remnants.

See, I can post a ridiculous generalization too.

Edited by Tarman, 04 March 2013 - 02:10 PM.

[Vyviel]

Go back to COD where KS matters =P

Your troll post suits your name Scumbag hehe

[M4NTiC0R3X]

Hey sometimes you just gotta reach out and touch faith... oh 'n steal a kill while you're at it!

[One Medic Army]

To be fair, I have complained about "killstealing"
I complain when someone runs in front of me as the guy's almost dead, and facehugs him.
So really, it's more a complaint about people getting between me and my target, not them shooting him as well.

[Terror Teddy]

Phalanx100bc, on 04 March 2013 - 01:49 PM, said:

Won't make a rat's *** difference for PUGS who sit way perched on high points on the back of the map waiting for 4mans to do all the real fighting before they move in....

Unless they just peel off for a base cap without telling anyone and thus avoid fighting altogether.

Real fighting...

I've always wondered about what exactly that means because I have never witnessed those things you describe except of course for when the ENTIRE TEAM except myself decides it is a good idea to beeline to the base.

And I PUG so It cannot be PUG's you are describing but something else.

[Major Scumbag]

Terror Teddy, on 04 March 2013 - 02:06 PM, said:

You know, I'll do that. When I see you in a ****** situation about to get asploded I'll just ignore you because you might be thinking I'll "steal" your kill.

Or would you prefer me to save your ***?

The tactic you describe have been in use by medieval infantry for thousands of years. Distract the enemy and an ally runs in behind them an hamstrings them so that you can kill them easier.

It's called helping your fellow soldier.

Only if that soldier did a tatical retreat to support from distance. I am talking about the player leaving the scene and just comes after to get the one shot off. Doesnt happen often. But when I run my 107 flame. I skirmish the line then flank when main group attacks. Back in the day. Before ranged. Most armies attacked in lines with battle pulses and main goal was to flank and encircle. Hard to hamstring someone in a line formation. Why not just kill instead of hamstring?

[Terror Teddy]

One Medic Army, on 04 March 2013 - 02:16 PM, said:

To be fair, I have complained about "killstealing"
I complain when someone runs in front of me as the guy's almost dead, and facehugs him.
So really, it's more a complaint about people getting between me and my target, not them shooting him as well.

You know, in those circumstances friendly fire tend to happen becuase stpid people run into the line of fire of more heavily armed mechs...

I'm not suggesting things but accidents DO happen in war...

[Lorcan Lladd]

Killstealing and backhugging are the classic tools of the successful pugger.
It's the only way to consistently win matches with the quality of your average pug in MWO; it seems impossible to maintain good performance otherwise.

Try to push and get a legitimate kill on your own? Too bad! The opposing team will focus on you whilst the rest of the pugs retreat; hell, I've seen the most cowardly Atlai in pugs whom would rather force lighter 'Mechs to do the tanking then just score kills once the enemy is damaged enough for them to finish off.

Edited by Lorcan Lladd, 04 March 2013 - 02:20 PM.

[Major Scumbag]

Vyviel, on 04 March 2013 - 02:13 PM, said:

Go back to COD where KS matters =P

Your troll post suits your name Scumbag hehe

Wow COD. I dont play COD or any other modern warfare games. Had enough of the real version. Thanks for the worthless comments though. You did take the time to post.....Its major scumbag to you . JK lol

[Terror Teddy]

Major Scumbag, on 04 March 2013 - 02:17 PM, said:

Only if that soldier did a tatical retreat to support from distance. I am talking about the player leaving the scene and just comes after to get the one shot off. Doesnt happen often. But when I run my 107 flame. I skirmish the line then flank when main group attacks. Back in the day. Before ranged. Most armies attacked in lines with battle pulses and main goal was to flank and encircle. Hard to hamstring someone in a line formation. Why not just kill instead of hamstring?

So, who really cares - the enemy is DEAD you won. You most likely did the most damage on him as well.

Besides, from his perspective he might just have lent a hand or found a good shooting position.

I have never thought about who kills what and if someone "own" a kill but rather focus on killing anything NOT on my team. WWhen 1 target is dead you move to the next, rinse repeat.

[Dataman]

well If my mech is half beaten, almost dead, or someone keep shooting at me while i'm in vulnerable position, by all means.. Killsteal me. I'd rather my kill stolen and win rather than takes all killing by myself then I died in enemy nest.

Edited by Dataman, 04 March 2013 - 02:25 PM.

[Agent of Change]

There is no such thing as kill stealing in MWO.

MWO is a team game, you have teammates, they have guns same as you, their guns do damage same as you, if they are shooting the same target as you, THAT is called teamwork.

A living enemy can shoot you or your teammates, if a teammate kills him before you, then he is dead sooner then you would have done it. He may have saved you damage or death or maybe another teammate. If you wanted the kill, well you should have killed him sooner then. You'll note that you get rewarded for assists too and well.

But beyond that there is no good reason to be mad unless you are more worried about stat chasing and personal glory. If you are more worried about personal glory I recommend a less team oriented game... well that or get better so you don't need teammates (good luck with that).

[Azru]

Now when I'm almost dead with someone on my rear I'm going to have to type in team chat, "STEAL MY KILL! STEAL IT!!!!!!!!"

[Volume]

I actually do feel that I should get more C-Bills for an "assist" that grants me 75XP because I stripped all his armor than an "assist" where I grazed him with a couple large lasers at ~700m for probably 1 damage, but they give me the same amount and count the same for the purposes of rewards.

I also feel guilty when I KS someone and get like 25xp for the kill instead of 150+ as if I actually earned it.

It's not a bad thing in theory, I just hope it doesn't encourage selfish play.

[Major Scumbag]

Azru, on 04 March 2013 - 02:25 PM, said:

Now when I'm almost dead with someone on my rear I'm going to have to type in team chat, "STEAL MY KILL! STEAL IT!!!!!!!!"

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Edited by miSs, 05 March 2013 - 10:53 AM.
ad hominem/flaming

[Terror Teddy]

Im not sure where to begin in this apparent self congratulating post or mass of errors.

Lorcan Lladd, on 04 March 2013 - 02:17 PM, said:

Killstealing and backhugging are the classic tools of the successful pugger.

So ho do you "proffessional" guys do it? Say beforehand to your team about who is killing who? Not helping each other out after a target is down?

Lorcan Lladd, on 04 March 2013 - 02:17 PM, said:

It's the only way to consistently win matches with the quality of your average pug in MWO; it seems impossible to maintain good performance otherwise.

What exactly to you is good performance?

Lorcan Lladd, on 04 March 2013 - 02:17 PM, said:

Try to push and get a legitimate kill on your own?

Oooh, I've seen that. Usually I see one guy running out in the open engaging the enemy, then he dies. I believe it's called ramboing and then they blame the rest of the team - I never knew the pro's did that.

Lorcan Lladd, on 04 March 2013 - 02:17 PM, said:

Too bad! The opposing team will focus on you whilst the rest of the pugs retreat; hell, I've seen the most cowardly Atlai in pugs whom would rather force lighter 'Mechs to do the tanking then just score kills once the enemy is damaged enough for them to finish off.

Why should they not focus on the closest target engaging their team mate?

Retreat where? You said you engaged so you must have been in the front, the rest most likely took cover - why expose oneself unneccessary just because you ran out and became primary.

Did you TELL the others about your idea of attacking?

Light's dont TANK - they run around the enemy, taking their attention away from the larger mechs who can then bring their firepower to bear.

An assault like an atlas is not a "tanker" it's an assault mech who can take punishment but should not really be in the very front of the fighting.

That's for heavies, the assault is the literal moving fortress with massive firepower - it is NOT a brawler since lighter mechs can run circles around it.

[Agent of Change]

Major Scumbag, on 04 March 2013 - 02:28 PM, said:

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Yup just can't slap the stupid ones, like the ones who use terms like kill stealing with a straight face.

[Terror Teddy]

Major Scumbag, on 04 March 2013 - 02:28 PM, said:

You have that little of a life you have to quick bash every chance you get?

Says the one who made sweeping generalizations about casual players belittling their skills because you yourself feel you are so much more of a tactical genius?

Here's a rock to your glass house good sir.

[Cache]

Bilbo, on 04 March 2013 - 01:38 PM, said:

I think that if I'm being pumelled, by all means, steal my kill.

This.


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