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[Mystere]

What on earth is this? I take a break for a few days and the PUG scene has been reduced to stalemates?

I guess tonight is the time for "Alea Iacta Est".


Also, artillery and air strikes should take care of that soon enough.

Edited by Mystere, 07 March 2013 - 09:31 AM.

[Xie Belvoule]

Agent of Change, on 07 March 2013 - 09:24 AM, said:

which is why i don't pug, hell i might not have disagreed with you at all if you used the word "many" and softened the tone a little.

I usually do try to avoid sweeping generalizations, but lately pugs have become irrationally hostile towards premades. Calling ALL premades synch droppers, cheese builders, and pug farmers. They started painting us with broad strokes, I guess I'm just sick of it and returning the favor. If my lance is on your team, im here to help you win, stop treating premades like were the enemy. It's not our fault we downloaded TS or other VOIP programs to fill in a gap the devs left.

Edited by Xie Belvoule, 07 March 2013 - 10:07 AM.

[Mystere]

Zero Neutral, on 07 March 2013 - 08:28 AM, said:

Some times the side that acts first is at a disadvantage... waiting is a valid strategy.

Time for some Sun Tzu:

Though we have heard of stupid haste in war, cleverness has never been seen associated with long delays.

[Hamm3r]

Nicholas Carlyle, on 07 March 2013 - 07:59 AM, said:

I'm glad you find time to ignore your family after a long day of work. Or do you not work 40 hours? My kids are 2 and 5. Are yours teenagers and easy to just push aside while you game?

And I love this "I'm a serious gamer". Really? I was a serious gamer too, when I was in college and single. I grew up.

I'm not saying you can't devote time to this game, but flaunting that you spend every night with a headset on gaming as if it's a badge of honor is silly.

Edit: Just realized you aren't even talking about yourself, so you don't have kids and a family? And you just game with people that do? So you don't even know if they are basically ignoring their family to game? Why do you think you can even comment on my gaming while having a family when you are single with seemingly no responsibilities if you are on here every night with a headset?

Games should be enjoyable for everyone. Not just people who are spending every night ignoring their life.

I'm not saying accomodate me at all. I'm just saying that there are reasons some of us don't group a lot and use teamspeak. And that the experience right now is very bi-polar with regards to matchmaking.

I figured that with Elo we'd see more of an even style of play. Whereas it has not been the case, some days I'm playing with people who seem to grasp basic concepts, and other times that is very much not the case.

Xie Belvoule, on 07 March 2013 - 08:29 AM, said:

Wow your an arrogant little *****, aren't you?

No, not at all, I'm in the same boat really. I'm active duty military, with an Active duty military wife whose currently deployed, and I have a one year old. Only reason I'm on now is I'm on leave and hes at the babysitters today. When hes at home, my computer is off. I LOVE MWO, that's why I became a Legendary Founder, however, my family ALWAYS comes first, I PUG because 99% of the time its all I have time for. So Arrogant...No not at all, not even one bit. Family Life is not arrogant sir, have a family with a kid or two and see if it changes your gaming perspective just a little bit. Priorities tend to change, its a fact of something that's called "Real Life," Believe me there is a world beyond the LCD screen my friend, take a look.

Xie Belvoule, on 07 March 2013 - 08:29 AM, said:

Your main problem is that your a PUG and thus not there to win. Your their to populate the game, you are essentially the AI controlled NPCs and mobs, you're just something for premades to shoot or tell to RTB. When I drop with my lance we just use pugs as meat shields, their not worth anything else

Now THAT is arrogant my friend, see the difference??

[mekabuser]

Ive seen what OP describes, but rarely, as far as Ive seen. TBH, a new player, who is having a hard time with the game. Id advise staying in cover for 2,3 minutes and then engage.
But.. Ive had quite a few games where based on my minmap observations etc things should be going well. I wind up dying and am like wTF? HEad to spectate and .... Oh... thats why... some plodding ***** without a scratch on him trying being extra cautious and not supporting the team with extensive firepower.. Oh look .. now your outmanned 3 to one.. game over.

[Greyfyl]

Shadowsword8, on 07 March 2013 - 06:13 AM, said:

It sound like you're actually criticizing players for making use of cover while fighting. For using their brains instead of blindly rushing forward.

Use cover to get into position, but at some point you need to realize that it's 'go' time.

Nothing like flanking the opposing team and telling your team to push only to have them completely ignore you and have the entire opposing team roflstomp you because you got no support.

[Xie Belvoule]

Hamm3r, on 07 March 2013 - 09:41 AM, said:

No, not at all, I'm in the same boat really. I'm active duty military, with an Active duty military wife whose currently deployed, and I have a one year old. Only reason I'm on now is I'm on leave and hes at the babysitters today. When hes at home, my computer is off. I LOVE MWO, that's why I became a Legendary Founder, however, my family ALWAYS comes first, I PUG because 99% of the time its all I have time for. So Arrogant...No not at all, not even one bit. Family Life is not arrogant sir, have a family with a kid or two and see if it changes your gaming perspective just a little bit. Priorities tend to change, its a fact of something that's called "Real Life," Believe me there is a world beyond the LCD screen my friend, take a look.



Now THAT is arrogant my friend, see the difference??

I have a life, your arrogant for ASSUMING I don't.



Read my posts above, then reply.

[Kylere]

Xie Belvoule, on 07 March 2013 - 09:13 AM, said:

Where did I say that I hate pugs? I don't, however the OP called them cowards and insinuated it had something to do with stats.

You lie, I called COWARDS cowards, and you called PUGs bots with poor scripting

[Kaemon]

some of our scripts are better than others, but against a coordinated team, it matters very little.

Most of us accept that, it's part of the challenge (and just a little bit sweeter when you catch a pre-made napping).

Some like difficult battles, some like 8.0 kdr stats.

I have frequently seen newer players wait a bit and then come out swinging, it's nice to have a fresh atlas engage when you're at 3vs3 in the last minutes of a battle.

I've also seen them go cave on forest and never come back.

/pug life.

Edited by Kaemon, 07 March 2013 - 11:33 AM.

[Xie Belvoule]

Kylere, on 07 March 2013 - 09:49 AM, said:

You lie, I called COWARDS cowards, and you called PUGs bots with poor scripting

They are not cowards, you are assuming they are afraid, see my above post. I said that until this game has more in game tools to help organize these pug drops they are essentially mobs.

From Minecraft:
Neutral mobs will remain neutral until a player or mob attacks it, at which point the neutral mob will turn hostile toward and attack the entity that hit it.

Whats that sound like to you, yep it sounds just like the pugs you describe.

Edited by Xie Belvoule, 07 March 2013 - 09:57 AM.

[Rakashan]

Nicholas Carlyle, on 07 March 2013 - 06:03 AM, said:

Not that there isn't a time and a place for being careful...

In PuGs right now, there is a lot of what I call "Standing behind the dropship while *********** zebras".

It's a very frustrating thing. Especially if I'm trying to help by doing things like base capping to split forces or flanking.

And I do let them know what I'm doing and when to attack. But they just sit...and sit...and sit...and eventually die.

So adapt. If your team is not taking advantage of split forces then you need to find another tactic. To be honest, unless they are premade or really paying attention they are still going to trickle over the dropship one at a time and the portion of opfor who stuck around at the ridge is still going to burn them down one at a time.

Instead of trying to separate the enemy by touching their private parts, bait them over the dropship by sneaking in and kicking them in the shins and then going back to your team. Put TAG on your mech and sneak into the 7-line and light them up. There *are* other ways to divide and conquer.

[Hamm3r]

Xie Belvoule, on 07 March 2013 - 09:47 AM, said:

I have a life, your arrogant for ASSUMING I don't.

Ohhhhh and your not for assuming that ALL pugs are useless meat shields, somebody can dish it out but not take it I see.

Actually bro, given your posts its a fair assumption that you are either
A: Young and Single (probably, given the maturity level,) or
B: have older kids, (Doubtful, see A again,)

You see, the thing with the internet is that I don't know you from Adam, or Eve if that's the case, so we then have to go based on posts and what info can be gathered by reading between the lines. Take your posts for example, PUGs are to be used as meat shields, don't listen, useless ect. Which means that you spend a lot more of your time in game, and in VOIP, which is perfectly fine, BUT you call people who don't spend as much time as you useless. See where people can draw conclusions? So again I say, NO, not arrogant at all. However, you sir...yes arrogant, you just proved my point twice with the childish little memes.

Edited by Hamm3r, 07 March 2013 - 10:03 AM.

[Kylere]

Xie Belvoule, on 07 March 2013 - 09:57 AM, said:

They are not cowards, you are assuming they are afraid, see my above post. I said that until this game has more in game tools to help organize these pug drops they are essentially mobs.

From Minecraft:
Neutral mobs will remain neutral until a player or mob attacks it, at which point the neutral mob will turn hostile toward and attack the entity that hit it.

Whats that sound like to you, yep it sounds just like the pugs you describe.

Okay, it is clear that English is not your first language, or that you are mentally slow. Kennen Sie Deutsch? if not, I am done with you.

[VladoG]

MischiefSC, on 07 March 2013 - 07:57 AM, said:

OP has a point. It's not people tactically maneuvering to fight the enemy, what we have now is a lot of people tactically maneuvering to put other team-mates between them and the enemy so they don't get shot.

This isn't your buddy taking up an ambush position, this is your buddy trying to use you as a shield while firing blindly around a corner and babbling hysterically about not wanting to die.

Sometimes you need to rush. Sometimes you need to put yourself in harms way a bit to fight. You don't win a defensive war. Often the best defense is a good offense, especially when your team has no ECM. Watching 7 people with no ECM try to defend the ridge in Frozen City is just painful. When you run and hide to avoid LRMs your opponent is focus-fire sniping at the two or 3 guys who are in the open still while your LRM boats are crying about no viable targets or because an enemy Raven got behind your lines and has both shut down all your LRM support and is laughing while they SSRM down your own lights...

who are not scouting but hiding in the back, hoping a brawl starts so they can run and shoot some people without being noticed.

I love tactical engagements but that's not what OP is talking about or what I'm seeing sometimes. I'm seeing people who are scared of being hurt or getting killed and are just hoping that the rest of their team will carry the heavy fighting and they can sneak in to steal some kills.

MischiefSC, on 07 March 2013 - 07:57 AM, said:

OP has a point. It's not people tactically maneuvering to fight the enemy, what we have now is a lot of people tactically maneuvering to put other team-mates between them and the enemy so they don't get shot.

This isn't your buddy taking up an ambush position, this is your buddy trying to use you as a shield while firing blindly around a corner and babbling hysterically about not wanting to die.

Sometimes you need to rush. Sometimes you need to put yourself in harms way a bit to fight. You don't win a defensive war. Often the best defense is a good offense, especially when your team has no ECM. Watching 7 people with no ECM try to defend the ridge in Frozen City is just painful. When you run and hide to avoid LRMs your opponent is focus-fire sniping at the two or 3 guys who are in the open still while your LRM boats are crying about no viable targets or because an enemy Raven got behind your lines and has both shut down all your LRM support and is laughing while they SSRM down your own lights...

who are not scouting but hiding in the back, hoping a brawl starts so they can run and shoot some people without being noticed.

I love tactical engagements but that's not what OP is talking about or what I'm seeing sometimes. I'm seeing people who are scared of being hurt or getting killed and are just hoping that the rest of their team will carry the heavy fighting and they can sneak in to steal some kills.

I must say that I am one of those evil people taking cover behing team mates. You know my mech could be damaged, I could be without armor so I need to break line of fire to actually survive and continue in a match? On the other side when I see heavily damaged team mate running from LRM salvo, I don't mind to take a hit for him to survive. I really like guys liek you and OP bitching about things you don't understand or can't grasp with your "I am here to have fun" casual style attitude, expecting to be on the same "fun" level with players that acctually played thousands matches...

[Viper69]

Sayyid, on 07 March 2013 - 05:56 AM, said:

R&R, oh how I miss the.

Not me. As far as I am concerned R&R can eat a t u r d sandwich and swim and hopefully get leg cramps, start to drown then get eaten by a aquatic sarlaac with IBS.

[BloodLegacy]

I think there is something fundamentally wrong with this premise. I think there should be more severe consequenses for getting killed in combat. This would make the gameplay more realistic in that players will actually value their life in-game and play appropriately.

[Nicholas Carlyle]

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Rakashan, on 07 March 2013 - 09:58 AM, said:

So adapt. If your team is not taking advantage of split forces then you need to find another tactic. To be honest, unless they are premade or really paying attention they are still going to trickle over the dropship one at a time and the portion of opfor who stuck around at the ridge is still going to burn them down one at a time. Instead of trying to separate the enemy by touching their private parts, bait them over the dropship by sneaking in and kicking them in the shins and then going back to your team. Put TAG on your mech and sneak into the 7-line and light them up. There *are* other ways to divide and conquer.

Yes because I said that I do that every match, in fact in the post you quoted...

Oh wait...i didn't say that...it says

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Especially if I'm trying to help by doing things like base capping to split forces or flanking.

Which would seem to indicate i don't always do that, but that it's especially frustrating when I do try to do it. And as I've said before I communicate a ton in matches.

Even on the rare occasions I'm on teamspeak I make sure to relay what we are doing to the rest of the team.

I also have TAG on my mech everytime, but thanks for assuming I don't.

Look dude, I'm not saying every PUG I ever play with sucks. I play with a lot of good ones. What I am saying is I see the same trends that Kylere does. And it's frustrating.

Edited by Nicholas Carlyle, 07 March 2013 - 10:14 AM.

[Kylere]

VladoG, on 07 March 2013 - 10:01 AM, said:

I really like guys liek you and OP bitching about things you don't understand or can't grasp with your "I am here to have fun" casual style attitude, expecting to be on the same "fun" level with players that acctually played thousands matches...

Sorry, but I was a soldier. I did Basic, AIT, PLDC and BNCOC. I held the rank of SSG in the United States Army.

Tactics is one thing, cowardice is NOT a tactic. So, Mr. "Thousand of matches" let me tell you directly that playjng dumb thousands of times teaches you nothing. One thing you fail to grasp is that I play to win, not to wait for a shot to get a kill and call it even.

Edited by Kylere, 07 March 2013 - 10:12 AM.

[Hamm3r]

BloodLegacy, on 07 March 2013 - 10:08 AM, said:

I think there is something fundamentally wrong with this premise. I think there should be more severe consequenses for getting killed in combat. This would make the gameplay more realistic in that players will actually value their life in-game and play appropriately.

R&R was fine, I think it added that sense of realism to the game. But I don't think it should come back until the ELO is working properly. Nothing was more frustrating then launching into a game only to being on the receiving end of a 2 minute total devastation PUG stomp and come back to having actually lost CBills because you didn't do hardly anything. It was one thing if you were a dumb@$$ and ran into the middle 30 seconds after the start but when it was due to an 8-0 PUG stomp it was a different story!

Edited by Hamm3r, 07 March 2013 - 10:13 AM.

[Sears]

They should merge this thread with the copious amounts of threads that appeared about how R&R removal meant people wouldn't play cautiously.

You only have 1 life at the moment, so best to look after it.

Edited by Sears, 07 March 2013 - 10:15 AM.