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[Zeus X]

The Cheese, on 20 March 2013 - 11:49 PM, said:

Again, an official word would be nice. For all we know, people are foaming at the mouth over nothing. The tweet really was pretty vague...



Yeah, that's why I said "technical feasibility aside". I also have a feeling it'd really try the limits of the engine.

Vague enough to cause heat!

Also Paul is viewing this thread right now!

Edited by DCM Zeus, 20 March 2013 - 11:52 PM.

[The Cheese]

Rejarial Galatan, on 20 March 2013 - 11:51 PM, said:

or we are foaming at the mouth with good reason.

Could be. I see a certain person in the "viewing this thread" list who might be able to help clear things up...

[Rejarial Galatan]

paul, any words?

The Cheese, on 20 March 2013 - 11:53 PM, said:

Could be. I see a certain person in the "viewing this thread" list who might be able to help clear things up...

here is hoping!

[Tarman]

The Cheese, on 20 March 2013 - 11:49 PM, said:

Again, an official word would be nice. For all we know, people are foaming at the mouth over nothing. The tweet really was pretty vague...

It's a company face running their gate and poosticking whether it's true or not, like that IGP tool earlier in this thread. At this point in their history they do not have the wiggle room to be snarky about these kinds of issues. They either need to come clean about their future intentions or stifle their rogue elements from stirring up the playerbase if it is a nothing issue.

[Bagheera]

daemur, on 20 March 2013 - 07:42 PM, said:

Who is this 3rd person?

[Thirdstar]

Tarman, on 20 March 2013 - 11:55 PM, said:

They either need to come clean about their future intentions or stifle their rogue elements from stirring up the playerbase if it is a nothing issue.

I just don't get this sometimes. It's not the first time official PGI/IGP people have shown up in a thread to stir the pot. Why would you do this? What's possible positive is there to show up in a thread and post a single throwaway line and then run away?

[Khobai]

I like the idea of third person being in the game. However I feel it should have a cost... like a module slot. Or maybe even only be available through a UAV consumable.

[Chavette]

I don't really care about 3rd person or not, and I don't others do about it either, the problem is, we haven't seen it made a reality where 3rd person doesn't give an advantage in viewing angles over ridges, around corners, thus we'd have to roll 3rd person to not gimp ourselves. Turning an "option" to a "requirement".

[Rejarial Galatan]

Thirdstar, on 20 March 2013 - 11:58 PM, said:

I just don't get this sometimes. It's not the first time official PGI/IGP people have shown up in a thread to stir the pot. Why would you do this? What's possible positive is there to show up in a thread and post a single throwaway line and then run away?

its not ethical the way this is happening. we are being worked into a rage and a frenzy and no one is giving us an official word. all they are doing is chumming the waters by posting this bs across the web and avoiding us like we have the plague. we find those posts, and then this happens, but no word to put out the fires they started elsewhere.

[Bagheera]

In other news, this is why I don't Twitter.

[M4rtyr]

Rejarial Galatan, on 20 March 2013 - 11:51 PM, said:

or we are foaming at the mouth with good reason. but, yeah, an official word to end this all, one way or the other would be nice.

Official word is always good, but this isn't so bad. Well unlees the tweet was true...

I mean if its just rumor/wrong then this might be a wakeup call to just how serious some of the community can be. Because it does seem pretty clear the vast majority of those active on the forums don't like the thought of this.

[Corvus Antaka]

as long as people playing first person dont have to play with those playing in third person I could care less.

HOWEVER - third person lets you stop sneaking up behind you..and without radar/ECM...

well...there's an obvious problem right there.

[The Cheese]

M4rtyr, on 21 March 2013 - 12:01 AM, said:

I mean if its just rumor/wrong then this might be a wakeup call to just how serious some of the community can be. Because it does seem pretty clear the vast majority of those active on the forums don't like the thought of this.

If they don't know by now just how intense this community can be, then all hope is truly lost...

[Volthorne]

I posted this in another thread, figured it warranted posting here:

Volthorne, on 20 March 2013 - 11:54 PM, said:

Suggestion on TPV: Your pilot is sitting on a boom-mike above and behind his 'Mech piloting it by remote. He has 1 HP. If your pilot gets shot, you instantly "die", and your account gets permanently banned. If you survive a whole match in an Atlas like this, you unlock an extra 1 HP and the title "I am the Goliath" for the forums, along with your account only being banned for one week if you die while in TPV.

The only "fair" way to introduce TPV.

[zverofaust]

Rejarial Galatan, on 21 March 2013 - 12:00 AM, said:

its not ethical the way this is happening.

Oh my lord Jesus Christ king of heaven, this is perhaps the most self-entitled post in the history of these forums.

QUICK CALL THE UNITED NATIONS WAR CRIMES TRIBUNAL, PGI IS UNETHICALLY TORTURING AND ABUSING THIS MAN.

This is why you can't be taken seriously. No wonder PGI is ignoring you.

Edited by zverofaust, 21 March 2013 - 12:03 AM.

[Tarman]

Thirdstar, on 20 March 2013 - 11:58 PM, said:

I just don't get this sometimes. It's not the first time official PGI/IGP people have shown up in a thread to stir the pot. Why would you do this? What's possible positive is there to show up in a thread and post a single throwaway line and then run away?

I honestly do not understand that at all. It's counterproductive no matter how you slice it. I like seeing these guys in the forums when they're participating in the community, like Garth's "Colour My Ride" thread today, or when Thomas showed us some mockups of future missile paths, or the revamped Consumables explanations. That is how it's done right.

This other kind of appearance is like a completely different group of people that do not care about their community relations or good reputation amongst the gaming community in general.

[Zeus X]

We need more than an Official word on just 3pv, we need it on CW, clans, and basicly what the they think the future will bring PGI.

Playing this sneeky sneeky and messing with the community has done nothing but caused an uproar, AGAIN!

[ICEFANG13]

Obviously a poor choice, for now I assume something is incorrect. Putting 3rd person in, just putting it in the game, is a terrible idea with almost no benefit to gameplay or $$.

[Zeus X]

zverofaust, on 21 March 2013 - 12:02 AM, said:

Oh my lord Jesus Christ king of heaven, this is perhaps the most self-entitled post in the history of these forums.

QUICK CALL THE UNITED NATIONS WAR CRIMES TRIBUNAL, PGI IS UNETHICALLY TORTURING AND ABUSING THIS MAN.

This is why you can't be taken seriously. No wonder PGI is ignoring you.

Quick get the anti-troll spray!

[I am]

Gaan Cathal, on 20 March 2013 - 11:51 PM, said:

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They left because they got frustrated over being ambushed in a game that advertised itself as a 'thinky-tactical shooter'?



Nothing is realistic, was more my point.




So make BAP do it's job and give you untargetted hostile radar within X meters. Doesn't help with ECM of course, but that needs tuning on it's own.




Your teammate filling TeamChat with expletives should take care of that. Never mind that, in reality, people do back vehicles into things, and won't magically know what unless they -look-.



Extrapolations from the third person past. In general terms, no-one has ever managed to devise a system whereby third-person does not give advantage over first-person. PGI are not, and I doubt even their biggest supporters would claim this, a revolutionary development house. I highly doubt they'll have invented something that's escaped everyone else all these years. As a result, anyone wishing to perform adequately in a match will be forced into 3POV. And while I'm sure there are lots of people who want to play in 3POV, I'm equally sure there are far more who want to play in FPS. And you can't have both.

In the specific, prior mechwarrior games with 3POV always boiled down to poptarting. Always. It's a design inevitability inherent in the combination of 3POV, sniping weapons and vertical-motion jumpjets.

I'm not normally a fan of 'quoting the greats' but Einstein said “The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results".

I predict doom and gloom around 3POV because that is what the past tells us will happen.

Left because of a number of things, one primary was, they expected it to have 3rd person like the others, and it does not. Point to even mentioning themwas, not all people that payed founder money were expecting no 3rd person view, some rather wanted it alot.

As to the rest, I see so much exploiting in this game, teams verse randoms, tiny terror mechs, unforgiving auto aim long range weapons, that it is hard to imagine it could be more imbalanced. What I see, is the same community that wants ECM gone so they can spam LRM, wants ELO gone so they can win almost all the time, and wants team sizes increased so they can take a 6 man versus randoms. I see a community that does not enjoy good fights, and I point to the empty 8 man queue as proof. I see this same community arguing against third person view. Alot of gamers prefer it, and it would grow the community.

Inlude a hardcore mode, no 3rd person, sure. But close the doors to the entire online gamer base that prefers 3rd person? Madness. Madness which it appears the developers may be waking up from. Good for them, and good for us. We will get more opponents, and they will get more money. In the end hopefully that will be reinvested and the game will in my opinion perpetually improve and grow.

Edited by I am, 21 March 2013 - 12:08 AM.