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[Stlaind]

Strange, using the numbers from the announcement post, LRMs still have a max potential damage of ~225/ton of ammo. Ballistics all come in at ~150 damage/ton of ammo. Ballistics also seem to weigh quite a bit more and be far more slot intensive overall even before counting ammo. You also can't mix types of ballistics and just pack one ammo type, unlike LRMs.

I fail to see how LRMs are magically irrelevant, even looking at just the pure numbers.

As to the OP, the target cataphract in question had two choices at that point:

1: Continue to close, firing for all he's worth. With zero center torso armor, damaged CT structure. Your second salvo in this case (him starting from >300m away, and if you're smart, you backpeddalling) would likely core him. LRMs afterall still seem to seek center mass.

2: Duck into cover. This is almost worse as it gives you a chance to move and get a better firing position. End result would be either he fails to neutralize you (win for you), or you finish the job as he leaves cover (win for you).

Sure seems like you had the worst of that encounter.....

[Nightcrept]

Solis Obscuri, on 21 March 2013 - 07:39 PM, said:

If he had 40 LRM tubes, I'd hope he had some supplemental weapons in his loadout.

Also not sure I'd call 2x LRM-20s a "boat", at least not in the assault class.

That's personally as close as I ever get to boating myself.
I run a fatlas with 2xlrm-20s arti, and 3xLL's
Other then that one mech I don't use lrms.

Stlaind, on 21 March 2013 - 07:47 PM, said:

Strange, using the numbers from the announcement post, LRMs still have a max potential damage of ~225/ton of ammo. Ballistics all come in at ~150 damage/ton of ammo. Ballistics also seem to weigh quite a bit more and be far more slot intensive overall even before counting ammo. You also can't mix types of ballistics and just pack one ammo type, unlike LRMs.

I fail to see how LRMs are magically irrelevant, even looking at just the pure numbers.

As to the OP, the target cataphract in question had two choices at that point:

1: Continue to close, firing for all he's worth. With zero center torso armor, damaged CT structure. Your second salvo in this case (him starting from >300m away, and if you're smart, you backpeddalling) would likely core him. LRMs afterall still seem to seek center mass.

2: Duck into cover. This is almost worse as it gives you a chance to move and get a better firing position. End result would be either he fails to neutralize you (win for you), or you finish the job as he leaves cover (win for you).

Sure seems like you had the worst of that encounter.....

He only has to close to 180 and the stalker had the max lrms possible for any mech. I know I would have rushed him and eaten him for a easy kill. with this dmg level if I see a lrm fire from a mech I'm going to eat it.

[Stlaind]

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He only has to close to 180 and the stalker had the max lrms possible for any mech. I know I would have rushed him and eaten him for a easy kill. with this dmg level if I see a lrm fire from a mech I'm going to eat it.

LRM20s have a recycle time of 4.75 sec, less with elite perks. starting at 300m, it would take more than 10 seconds for the cataphract to close. Also, if you zoom in, you can tell from the map that the OP was hardly alone (at least I can barely make out some blue triangles near the position of the OP). For the cataphract to close is death either way.

[Aaron45]

Nightcrept, on 21 March 2013 - 07:37 PM, said:

I don't know what my score is.

How can you compare your Elo with mine if ya dont know ya Elo? isnt that a strange compare?You are comparing not known things with not known things. And what does Elo says if i play mainly my jenners instead of raven 3l´s stalker lrms or ddc atlas´s? As i said before you have no clue, you are here just to express ya anger due to lrm´s are not anymoar Op.

Sit down- Drink a Tea and rethink all ya posts in this thread.

By the way you will stil see Lrms in this game but not as a main weapon mech. At least not that often as those Lrm 60+ Stalker builds are super ghetto . And now not Op

Edited by Legolaas, 21 March 2013 - 08:04 PM.

[Captain Stiffy]

IMO LRM10 should ~ = LBX10

[CutterWolf]

Nightcrept, on 21 March 2013 - 06:23 PM, said:

That's garbage. If pgi wants to make an effective mmo they aren't going to follow bt and or TT lore by the book. That stupidity you just quoted about support weapons is a good example.

Unless you in a pre-made you aren't going to play a support role.
They might as well ermove the things if that is what they are thinking. Thank God they don't listen to the support role clowns.



I'm a pug. Your support role argument is flat for the majoority of the player base who will always be pugs.



No it's not. You guys wanting TT this and TT that are hilarious to listen to.
This is a MMO. TT and BT are not. They don't translate to real world live environments. The devs are relizing this and deviate when ever they see fit.

Support roles are one of those instantces. You guys are just fan boys who can't let go of the past to move on for a wider audience.

Again that's not my problem its yours. I'm sorry all you do is pug so the team aspect is pretty much out the window for you. And also, for your information majority of the player base is "teams" not lone wolf pug players.

[Nightcrept]

Legolaas, on 21 March 2013 - 07:56 PM, said:

How can you compare your Ela with mine? isnt that a strange compare? And what does Elo says if i play mainly my jenners instead of raven 3l´s stalker lrms or ddc atlas´s? As i said before you have no clue, you are here just to express ya anger due to lrm´s are not anymoar Op.

Sit down- Drink a Tea and rethink all ya posts in this thread.

Do you not know how elo works?

You're telling me I have no clue while you display a lack of knowledge about what your talking about?

Your elo score is calculated by your performance with each weight catagory. So if your elo score is high with light mechs then when you get in a light mech you will be playing against players with you level elo. They will be in all weight classes not just light.

What most players will tell you is that lrm boats are useless against skilled players. So if you see them a lot them your in the lower teirs.

So maybe you should think more before posting like you try to tell me.

[Owlfeathers]

Yea this needs to be fixed. LRMs were definitely OP before the hotfix, but at least it encouraged me to be careful when 6 LRMs could instagib me. Now even in a light you could just stand there and be mostly fine. You really shouldn't be able to just absorb 100 missiles like that in any mech...

[Nightcrept]

CutterWolf, on 21 March 2013 - 08:00 PM, said:

Again that's not my problem its yours. I'm sorry all you do is pug so the team aspect is pretty much out the window for you. And also, for your information majority of the player base is "teams" not lone wolf pug players.

lol...no it isn't. The majority are pugs. By a large majority. Otherwise you would see far far more pre-mades and according to stats you only run into pre-mades in one out of eight games or so.

[CutterWolf]

Nightcrept, on 21 March 2013 - 08:01 PM, said:

Do you not know how elo works?

You're telling me I have no clue while you display a lack of knowledge about what your talking about?

Your elo score is calculated by your performance with each weight catagory. So if your elo score is high with light mechs then when you get in a light mech you will be playing against players with you level elo. They will be in all weight classes not just light.

What most players will tell you is that lrm boats are useless against skilled players. So if you see them a lot them your in the lower teirs.

So maybe you should think more before posting like you try to tell me.

NightCrept is correct about ELO, Your ELO score is based on mech "weight classes" so it does not matter what light mech you take to play with your ELO score will be the same with any light mech you take.

[Siliconwolf]

Sigh....so many people in this thread have no concept of how a game like this is balanced. You can't balance it with TT rules because in TT, you selected you mechs based off of a points system and how your team was going to function as a whole. You can make a team in this game and define roles, but there isn't a matchmaking system that keeps the teams balanced. In a game like this, there is no such thing as a 'support weapon' because there's no real thing as a support role. LRM's MUST be a primary weapon because a mech using them is treated as equivalent to any other mech of that weight class no matter what weapons they're carrying. LRM's are also not a 'click and win' weapon either. If you're constantly taking salvos to the face, it has more to do with not learning that 'missile to face = bad, missile to rock/building/hill in front of me = good' than weapon balance. Before the crazy damage bug, LRM damage was high, but balanced around the fact that you needed to maintain a lock on the target and hitting the target could be difficult, especially with ECM. There's plenty of posts on how to avoid LRMs and the comparisons between direct and indirect fire weapons, so I'll not go into it. Simply, higher damage was balanced with harder to hit. Now that the overall damage is at mediocre level, we have people saying it's balanced...no...it's not. If ECM didn't prevent locks, making it overall easier to hit a target, then it might be approximately balanced. As it stands though, mediocre damage on a weapon that's difficult to hit with = you're more of a liability than an asset to the team.

[CutterWolf]

Nightcrept, on 21 March 2013 - 08:02 PM, said:

lol...no it isn't. The majority are pugs. By a large majority. Otherwise you would see far far more pre-mades and according to stats you only run into pre-mades in one out of eight games or so.

LOL! I see pre-made 4 mans teams in EVERY drop I do and most of the time there are more than 3 team of them in a drop. So no I'm sorry your very wrong

[Nightcrept]

There has been research done on this.

Go look it up.

[Aaron45]

Nightcrept, on 21 March 2013 - 08:01 PM, said:

Do you not know how elo works?

You're telling me I have no clue while you display a lack of knowledge about what your talking about?

Your elo score is calculated by your performance with each weight catagory. So if your elo score is high with light mechs then when you get in a light mech you will be playing against players with you level elo. They will be in all weight classes not just light.

What most players will tell you is that lrm boats are useless against skilled players. So if you see them a lot them your in the lower teirs.

So maybe you should think more before posting like you try to tell me.

I said i play jenners instead stalker or raven 3l. I Know how the Elo works. So iam not fixed bout Elo neither to win all the time. if i were i would play 24/7 Raven 3l or ghetto stalker builds or what ever. I just want to play and have fun and dont get nerfed by those pubbies like you who just sit in their Stalker 60+ Lrm build and sit and kill peps. You even have not to aim. Ppc mechs have to aim at least. you only sit there and auto aim and probably be no 1 in highscore.


I´d say those guys are poor

Edited by Legolaas, 21 March 2013 - 08:11 PM.

[CutterWolf]

Nightcrept, on 21 March 2013 - 08:08 PM, said:

There has been research done on this.

Go look it up.

I don't need to because your talking about 8 man pre-mades and not the 4 man pre-made teams you see in "every" drop

Edited by CutterWolf, 21 March 2013 - 08:11 PM.

[Gristle]

MadPanda, on 21 March 2013 - 04:21 PM, said:

Above you can see me running a 5x LRM20 Stalker. That's 100 LRM's shot at once. My target is unsuspecting cataprach, a very juicy target for any LRM boat. He is nearly max health (like 95%, little scrathes, all armor near max). I unleash the barrage of 100 LRM's right into his face at optimal range of about 300m. And to raise up the stakes even more, he is actually walking towards me with his massive front chest directed right at my lrm's.

Expectations; this is the biggest mistake of his puny life.

Result: He lost his center torso armor and his CT internals are at yellow. His left/right torso are now at orange armor.

I'll let you decide if LRM's are still worth keeping around.

Soooo.....did the CTF die on your 2nd salvo?

[Sheraf]

Gristle, on 21 March 2013 - 08:15 PM, said:

Soooo.....did the CTF die on your 2nd salvo?

I think he died before able to fire the 2nd salvo

[Nightcrept]

CutterWolf, on 21 March 2013 - 08:11 PM, said:

I don't need to because your talking about 8 man pre-mades and not the 4 man pre-made teams you see in "every" drop

No the guy who made did all the research counted the eight man and four.
If I can remember his name or what he called his thread I'll post his research.

Legolaas, on 21 March 2013 - 08:10 PM, said:

I said i play jenners instead stalker or raven 3l. I Know how the Elo works. So iam not fixed bout Elo neither to win all the time. if i were i would play 24/7 Raven 3l or ghetto stalker builds or what ever. I just want to play and have fun and dont get nerfed by those pubbies like you who just sit in their Stalker 60+ Lrm build and sit and kill peps. You even have not to aim. Ppc mechs have to aim at least. you only sit there and auto aim and probably be no 1 in highscore.


I´d say those guys are poor

I don't use a stalker. And ppc's are easy to use as well. I consider them easier then lrms by far. You pop out and bang then duck. You can eat a lrm boater alive with a erppc or ppc.

[Aaron45]

Nightcrept, on 21 March 2013 - 08:16 PM, said:

No the guy who made did all the research counted the eight man and four.
If I can remember his name or what he called his thread I'll post his research.


I don't use a stalker. And ppc's are easy to use as well. I consider them easier then lrms by far. You pop out and bang then duck. You can eat a lrm boater alive with a erppc or ppc.

This post shows again that you have no clue. And BTW if ya not a stlker or what ever lrmer why do you defend lrms with such a passion? cmon dont be a liar- you love to use lrm´s(kill ppl with almost 0 effort- rank as no1 in highscore and then show off with ya ridiculous and unknown Elo.

Edited by Legolaas, 21 March 2013 - 08:21 PM.

[Stlaind]

Nightcrept, on 21 March 2013 - 08:16 PM, said:

No the guy who made did all the research counted the eight man and four.
If I can remember his name or what he called his thread I'll post his research.

I remember seeing him in games. You make the assumption that people actually told him when they were in groups. I would say that is unlikely to be the case in a statistically significant number of cases. As such, that data is suspect.