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[Vassago Rain]

Shumabot, on 26 March 2013 - 08:37 AM, said:

That place where people who leave stagnant unbalanced games go. Valhalla.

Hahaha. I'm pretty sure Valhalla's my living room, but for other reasons.

[Monkeystador]

Hmm.. 3rd person is a no go for me if it come available in all matches. Then i will quit this game permanently. I had a two month break already because of performance issues. It would be sad if they drive me away again for 3rd person.
But it wont be sad for long. As soon as my HMD arrives i go back to play hawken for a while. And the surely some new game will come along.

[Radko]

I'll say this much about the 'silent majority' talk:

If you're willing to ignore something like 90+% of forum goers holding a certain opinion, what purpose do the forums even serve? Because 'feedback' clearly isn't one of them.

[Prophetic]

Most of our unit is taking a break from MWO which is mostly a grind for us ATM. What sent a lot of us over the edge was the LRM fiasco which has been patched and nerfed recently. While the toning down was needed it went a bit overboard and really hurt SRMs more then anyone expected again adding to some frustration.

Here is a brief summary of what lead to a need for a break. It usually is not just one thing but more of a cumulative effect.

1) Eight mans in its current state is not rewarding in its implementation. No class balance or overall tonnage restriction.

2) ELO has turned 4 mans into an 8 man type system. I understand that there is a need for balance but having some people feel that they must carry others to win is not a good feeling. Even if this is not true the perception is still out there.
A quick example is that a new Mech comes out which everyone in our unit wants to level. So we all run fresh Zero pilot XP mechs and get pitted against high level ELO players that run optimized mech builds and usually out ton us. Frustrating, your only course of action is to drop the leveling and get back to optimized builds, again frustrating.

3) NO Community Warfare of any kind and very little information about what it will look like. We need screenshots, teaser vids, or I dunno, some give and take from our player base before we see it.

4) Very difficult to get newer friends and players into the game with your own personal ELO getting in the way of helping them level without frustration. Group with a new guy and screw him over with your new average bracket.

While I can go on and so can many others I will leave with my own personal opinion on what felt better and some ways to go forward. Besides implementing CW like yesterday.

Eight man groups need to be encouraged by the masses. Things were better in the early stages where everyone was in the same pool. Units were growing and casuals were grouping and learning with vets. Now everyone is compartmentalized and less social. Winning and losing is better with friends. Group everyone in a group of one or two in the pug queue and everyone with 3 or more into group queues. Anyone in a trial mech needs their own queue period, make it a 4 man drop, have them play bots, anything just separate them.

Here is something a bit off topic.
If there is a need for a quick infusion of cash cut to the chase and have an MC sale. That is what everyone is waiting for and doing so quite stubbornly.

[Crockdaddy]

Prophetic, on 26 March 2013 - 11:48 AM, said:

Most of our unit is taking a break from MWO which is mostly a grind for us ATM. What sent a lot of us over the edge was the LRM fiasco which has been patched and nerfed recently. While the toning down was needed it went a bit overboard and really hurt SRMs more then anyone expected again adding to some frustration.

Here is a brief summary of what lead to a need for a break. It usually is not just one thing but more of a cumulative effect.

1) Eight mans in its current state is not rewarding in its implementation. No class balance or overall tonnage restriction.

2) ELO has turned 4 mans into an 8 man type system. I understand that there is a need for balance but having some people feel that they must carry others to win is not a good feeling. Even if this is not true the perception is still out there.
A quick example is that a new Mech comes out which everyone in our unit wants to level. So we all run fresh Zero pilot XP mechs and get pitted against high level ELO players that run optimized mech builds and usually out ton us. Frustrating, your only course of action is to drop the leveling and get back to optimized builds, again frustrating.

3) NO Community Warfare of any kind and very little information about what it will look like. We need screenshots, teaser vids, or I dunno, some give and take from our player base before we see it.

4) Very difficult to get newer friends and players into the game with your own personal ELO getting in the way of helping them level without frustration. Group with a new guy and screw him over with your new average bracket.

While I can go on and so can many others I will leave with my own personal opinion on what felt better and some ways to go forward. Besides implementing CW like yesterday.

Eight man groups need to be encouraged by the masses. Things were better in the early stages where everyone was in the same pool. Units were growing and casuals were grouping and learning with vets. Now everyone is compartmentalized and less social. Winning and losing is better with friends. Group everyone in a group of one or two in the pug queue and everyone with 3 or more into group queues. Anyone in a trial mech needs their own queue period, make it a 4 man drop, have them play bots, anything just separate them.

Here is something a bit off topic.
If there is a need for a quick infusion of cash cut to the chase and have an MC sale. That is what everyone is waiting for and doing so quite stubbornly.

Excellent post. Yes I am biased ... but for a decent sized group of us, you summed up many items nicely. I know not all will agree.

[Roadbeer]

Well, I had to go buy smokes, but while I was out, some Chinese food sounded good.

I had the kung pao chicken, a large sake some steamed rice, and the green tea ice cream. Walking out the door, I ran into an old friend, we chatted a bit.

Came home, threw the ball with my dog, it's a beautiful day you know. Enjoyed aforementioned cigarette.

Now I'm back

[Gremlich Johns]

I'm just waiting for the powerups ala MA

[Belorion]

Radko, on 26 March 2013 - 11:04 AM, said:

I'll say this much about the 'silent majority' talk:

If you're willing to ignore something like 90+% of forum goers holding a certain opinion, what purpose do the forums even serve? Because 'feedback' clearly isn't one of them.

Most of the time, I can't make out what they are saying between all the tears.

[Crockdaddy]

ProtoformX, on 25 March 2013 - 09:15 PM, said:

Seems like a ghost town every time I get on now. Usually I'd have 15 - 20 friends on all the time, but now only 3 - 4. My first guess is that other people are also getting really boring swing matches where one side rolls the other 8 - 0. Other guess is Starcraft 2's release... Anyone else experiencing low population, or is it just me?

6 weeks ago I would see 8 to 16 guys online from my unit. At least 25 to 50 on my friends list would be green / yellow. NA beta while not hopping had a decent amount of folks ... and god bless them, 1st Ghost had a several battalion sized groups in House Kurita all the time. Last few times I have been checking, it seems like some folks took a break. For me, I the last patch kinda burned me out a bit or maybe it was passing the 3000+ match since open beta lol.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

no, nvm its the right thread:

Peiper, on 26 March 2013 - 02:03 AM, said:

Care to elaborate?

Vassago Rain, on 26 March 2013 - 02:05 AM, said:

The core players don't matter. The core doesn't know what it wants. We must improve the new player experience, by adding 3rd person for REASONS. We're adding 3rd person, and that's just how it is. Coolant shots are here to stay. Gold artillery. No news forever.

Etc.

I like his quote on Gold ammo:

Quote

What I said was (over various comments/references):

Originally, we had ammo that cost C-Bills to rearm.
Then we removed that.
People want new types of ammo (slug for LB10X, etc).
Those will never be only MC cost.
(In response to 'gold ammo') We could theoretically make ammo eventually purchasable for C-bills AND MC, but I have LITERALLY HEARD NO PLANS TO DO THIS.

Ill elaborate:

http://mwomercs.com/...095-3rd-person/

Three replies into the thread:

Bryan Ekman, on 21 March 2013 - 03:58 PM, said:

This thread is not about whether or not 3rd person should it exist. Rather, we want your feedback on how it should be implemented. Understand we're not debating the merits of having 3rd person or not.

They dont care wether we want it or not, they are doing it.

Roadbeer asked why they were pushing through with this regardless of the many polls we've made that were 95% negative towards the idea of 3rd person. This is the reply:

Bryan Ekman, on 21 March 2013 - 04:39 PM, said:

Honest answer.

The analysis on those who voted, showed that the majority of votes came from a very narrow demographic of our player base. And while they represent some of core players, they did not necessarily represent the opinion of the general user base. The majority of our players never visit, post, or read the forum content, so the poll could be considered weighted in favour of a specific demographic.

Since the majority of players who have an issue with 3rd person come generally from the core players, we elected to address this issue via this forum post to collect all of the concerns and ideas that this group faces or has with 3rd person.

so the silent majority who dont spend time here are far far far far more important that those of us stupid enough to invest time here on their own beta forums.

Edited by Mechwarrior Buddah, 26 March 2013 - 07:49 PM.

[jakucha]

Peiper, on 26 March 2013 - 02:25 AM, said:

3rd person has no place in a simulator, but in something like the testing grounds/tutorials it would go a long way for people to learn to visualize torso/leg movement. Us old hats, and those of us who know what joystick twist and/or pedals are for take it for granted, but new people should have some obstacle courses and firing ranges with tin ducks moving along to shoot at. What we do need is rear-view cameras, and the ability to look left and right with the hat on our joysticks like MW4. Crisis may not allow it, but the lack of peripheral vision hurts. Still, this game is a battletech simulator, and not just another shooter.

First mistake was assuming this was a simulator. 3rd person has a place in Arma 2/3 which are considered fairly hardcore sims by the way, not that I will be using it if it is released in this game.

Radko, on 26 March 2013 - 11:04 AM, said:

I'll say this much about the 'silent majority' talk:

If you're willing to ignore something like 90+% of forum goers holding a certain opinion, what purpose do the forums even serve? Because 'feedback' clearly isn't one of them.

Forums serve important purposes such as bug reporting. They listen to well thought out stuff but you shouldn't expect them to implement every idea here.

Edited by jakucha, 26 March 2013 - 07:57 PM.

[Michael Costanza]

Vassago Rain, on 26 March 2013 - 04:00 AM, said:

http://mwomercs.com/...095-3rd-person/

It was only a big thing since forever.

From the quote, "Players will never be forced to use or play against other players using 3rd person."

So, if I won't be forced to use it or play against it, why do I care if they develop it if it makes Mechwarrior more accessible to new fans?

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Michael Costanza, on 26 March 2013 - 08:22 PM, said:

From the quote, "Players will never be forced to use or play against other players using 3rd person."

From the quote:

Bryan Ekman, on 21 March 2013 - 03:38 PM, said:

• Players will never be forced to use or play against other players using 3rd person.

Quote

You will have the following options as a player:

• Play against 1st and 3rd person players.
  
• Play against 3rd person players only.
  
• Play against 1st person players only.
  
• Players can set their preference in the options menu, or during the launch phase before matchmaking.

Its funny how that contradiction comes in the same post

They wont force you they'll give you the choice. So what happens if the other two ques lose enough players to stay viable?

Edited by Mechwarrior Buddah, 26 March 2013 - 08:28 PM.

[Vassago Rain]

Michael Costanza, on 26 March 2013 - 08:22 PM, said:

From the quote, "Players will never be forced to use or play against other players using 3rd person."

So, if I won't be forced to use it or play against it, why do I care if they develop it if it makes Mechwarrior more accessible to new fans?

Unlike you, I've been around the block. Third person is superior, and will be forced even on those of us who don't want it.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Vassago Rain, on 26 March 2013 - 08:31 PM, said:

Unlike you, I've been around the block. Third person is superior, and will be forced even on those of us who don't want it.

I kinda pointed that out already lol

[MrPenguin]

Radko, on 26 March 2013 - 11:04 AM, said:

I'll say this much about the 'silent majority' talk:

If you're willing to ignore something like 90+% of forum goers holding a certain opinion, what purpose do the forums even serve? Because 'feedback' clearly isn't one of them.

Community interaction...


....thats about it really

[Franchi]

Vassago Rain, on 26 March 2013 - 08:31 PM, said:

Unlike you, I've been around the block. Third person is superior, and will be forced even on those of us who don't want it.

I agree with vassago rain someone please shoot me in the back with dual AC 20's.


Besides they promised us it would be first person only, and that coolant flush would not be in the game.

Trusting PGI to keep their word is like trusting a lion not to bite you, remember how well that worked out for Roy?

I am reasonably certain that someone who wanted to wade into the files could save the current heat vision and re insert it once we get nerfed heat vision, and I am 100% certain that if someone wants to they will be able to turn on 3rd person in a 1st person only game. It's not like PGI is competent enough to stop or catch people doing this.


As to where everyone went? My guess is Bioshock.

Edited by Franchi, 26 March 2013 - 08:46 PM.

[KingCobra]

AHHH OK ill be the troll(I told you so)HAHAHA sigh well back to STO shipping out laterzzzzzzzzz----------->>>>>

Edited by KingCobra, 26 March 2013 - 08:42 PM.

[PANZERBUNNY]

Franchi, on 26 March 2013 - 08:41 PM, said:

I agree with vassago rain someone please shoot me in the back with dual AC 20's.


Besides they promised us it would be first person only, and that coolant flush would not be in the game.

Trusting PGI to keep their word is like trusting a lion not to bite you, remember how well that worked out for Roy?

Don't let PGI buy you a drink. It may have roofies in it....actually...please buy me a drink PGI. It will dull the pain.

Edited by PANZERBUNNY, 26 March 2013 - 08:46 PM.

[MrPenguin]

Franchi, on 26 March 2013 - 08:41 PM, said:

they promised us it would be first person only

You see, people keep saying this. But never bring up a context. The only thing I could ever find is Paul saying that mechwarrior is a "first person shooter". I can't find anything on them stating that it would be first person only. Only that it would have first person in it.

So, unless I've missed something here... This is a classic example of you guys twisting PGI's words around for your own asinine posts.