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[Gihzmo]

Why was this game advertised as a free to play game that would included community warfare? That is what hooked me, along with everyone else. I did not sign up as a founder for team death-match in mechs, which is what we have now. Honestly this is an insane bait and switch. I would not even mind if you charged... but why was PGI not honest up front?

If you are charging, it better be F**ing amazing, logistics, planetary conquest, I mean this better be unreal. If it is nothing but territory control like WOT, this will be MWO's death knell.

[Felicitatem Parco]

Buddahcjcc, on 29 March 2013 - 05:10 PM, said:

lol when PP is backing up the idea that this plan is bad... thats bad!

oh yeah, try this:

"I think that everything Buddahcjcc says is spot-on. You should all listen to this guy, he knows what he's talking about."



There! Now you have no credibility! Muwahahahaha!

[Dihm]

Buddahcjcc, on 29 March 2013 - 05:07 PM, said:

We had one... and it conflicted with what was said in the article. Even PP said that it was said in mistake and dont shoot him (a mod) for having said it.

Prosperity Park is a volunteer community moderator, not a member of the PGI staff. His comments later said that his information that was contradictory was from "way way back".

Volunteer community moderators are not privy to the the detailed plans for the game, and are not a definitive source of information.

[GalaxyBluestar]

so from what i can gather so far is....

consumables means P2W.... just speculation and haven't seen anyone guaranteed to wins when they carry the coolant gear.

however now we have

no F2P. want a fair chunk of the gameplay? then BUY premium time. so much for encouraging teamplay.

PGI you've got this arse up backwards haven't you? cadet bonuses meant you weren't retaining players well enough cause you didn't look after core material {stock loadouts} before going into open beta, all these mc sales meant you're still not making enough money but by making things cheaper in general. you'd have more sales to compensate {some hero mechs and stuff is still a mad price for a BETA game}, 3rd person is another attempt at more players into the game and now charging for gameplaying styles.

the writting's on the wall, the games going down the gurggler, they're trying everything they can to keep the monies afloat. i'm just going to put fingers in my ears and go la la la this isn't happening cause it shouldn't.

Edited by GalaxyBluestar, 29 March 2013 - 05:20 PM.

[Nicholas Carlyle]

20 pages and no one from PGI can take 2 minutes to post a "We will explain shortly, this was taken out of context"?

Or is it that this is really what they plan to do?

[Dihm]

Okay, so having "a mod" respond produces the same result.

What is needed is a response from STAFF.

[Zylo]

Tekadept, on 29 March 2013 - 05:02 PM, said:

So this is going to be a funny ole universe, not a single merc unit to be seen??

All the guilds planing on being merc units have to do is rewrite their history and make them a house unit.

WHY the hell does this kind information need to be found out from a 3rd party all the time?? why cant the game developers actually post usefull information on their OFFICIAL forums??

The only history rewriting that will be done is merc groups officially playing in other games that actually support player run groups rather than trying to chase them away from the game.

[Felicitatem Parco]

I mentioned about 15 pages back that I had contacted the support staff using my super-secret moderator powers, and they responded to me with an acknowledgement of the community uproar, that they are mostly out of the office for the holiday vacation, and that they will make some kind of reply or official statement once they can get the right people to give the right go-aheads.

Sorry, I'm only a humble mod... But that's good because nobody can blame this premium merc thing on me! Heehee!

Edited by Prosperity Park, 29 March 2013 - 05:18 PM.

[S3dition]

I should probably expand on the more time than money effect.

I'm going to use Diablo 3 as an example. I don't like Diablo 3. I think Blizzard has lost all touch with reality since Warcraft 3.

The real money auction house was brilliant. Absolutely brilliant. This is what I mean about being creative for the money grab.

The people with more time than money - these people farm all day and night. Literally, they live in the game or spend huge chunks of time in it to get very rare and special items.

The people with more money than time - these people can't play for very long, but have a lot of disposable income. They purchase items from the former group for money.

Cha-ching! Blizzard just turned half of their player base into a massive work force without them ever realizing it. This is absolutely huge, and if I wasn't already out of college and done with my business courses, I'd be writing a pretty huge paper on it.

It's kind of like the jet engine of business modeling. You're literally tricking millions of people into making you money by playing a game. And everyone is happy with the model. One side gets paid for playing the game, the other gets to enjoy 100% of the game without a steep investment in time that they don't have. It's a subscription model without any subscriptions.

This is the hallmark of capitalism and the kind of creativity that PGI needs to employ with community warfare. Not ancient and antiquated subscription model(heck, even television, movies, music, literature and other entertainment industries are finding ways around it).

Edited by S3dition, 29 March 2013 - 05:32 PM.

[WhupAzz]

Nicholas Carlyle, on 29 March 2013 - 05:14 PM, said:

20 pages and no one from PGI can take 2 minutes to post a "We will explain shortly, this was taken out of context"?

Or is it that this is really what they plan to do?

The only statement they have at the moment will kill them so like any good politician they will only respond when they think of something else we may be 'OK' with instead of the P2P plan.

[Alois Hammer]

Nicholas Carlyle, on 29 March 2013 - 05:14 PM, said:

20 pages and no one from PGI can take 2 minutes to post a "We will explain shortly, this was taken out of context"?

Or is it that this is really what they plan to do?

"We'll do a Command Chair post to more fully explain this, but can't give you any ETA."

[Dihm]

Sweet, a weekend to stew. I'm sure this community will marinate peacefully.

Thanks for the update PP.

[Nicholas Carlyle]

Alois Hammer, on 29 March 2013 - 05:20 PM, said:

"We'll do a Command Chair post to more fully explain this, but can't give you any ETA."

I hate you...damnit.

[Nathan Foxbane]

The pay MC for starting a Merc Corp I can understand, but the only they with Premium gets to play in a Merc Corp I do not. Maybe have a minimum member requirement so if a Merc Corp disbands (or a leader throws a fit and kicks everyone, I am looking at you Nuke in WoT) then the unit gets disbanded if they are trying to keep the Merc Corps real competitive. I however think there are many house units that would like to be that competitive though with a faction affiliation.

I can see how they are trying to set up Merc Corps so that it would require some serious dedication, but some people that can put in the dedication do not have the cash and vice versa. I mean really, bidding on contracts, fighting to take a world, defending said world, and doing so every day in a serious fashion is going to require some serious time put in by both members and leadership. I do think however they are jumping the gun on this as payout and rewards help determine how committed people want to be and could potentially range from "Meh, I'll compete one night a week." to "I'm going to surgically graft this mouse to my hand!" Now that is commitment to cause. (I wonder how many people will actually get what I am referenceing with that last one?)

Edit:

Prosperity Park, on 29 March 2013 - 05:18 PM, said:

I mentioned about 15 pages back that I had contacted the support staff using my super-secret moderator powers, and they responded to me with an acknowledgement of the community uproar, that they are mostly out of the office for the holiday vacation, and that they will make some kind of reply or official statement once they can get the right people to give the right go-aheads.

Sorry, I'm only a humble mod... But that's good because nobody can blame this premium merc thing on me! Heehee!

CHALLENGE ACCEPTED!!!

This is all your doing Prosperity Park. I don't know how, but I will find a way to pin all the blame on you! You know what I don't need a reason. I blame you because!

Edited by Nathan Foxbane, 29 March 2013 - 05:28 PM.

[XIRUSPHERE]

Just one thing I would like to reiterate here. CW is a framework, a vessel. The real content is the players and it bears repeating. When you put constraints on the players you damage the content. No matter how many man hours were dumped into maps, meshes, models, bugs at the end of the day it's your players that bring in the new blood and keep people spending.

Even if it's just mercs who are affected it affects everyone in the end.

[Felicitatem Parco]

Dihm, on 29 March 2013 - 05:20 PM, said:

Sweet, a weekend to stew. I'm sure this community will marinate peacefully.

Thanks for the update PP.

Marinate, stew, boil, simmer, crisp, char... Reminds me of a family saying around the kitchen:

"Tonight we eat like Gods. Greek Gods, but Gods none-the-less."

[Sifright]

So how many apologist posts have there been so far stating this is all small beans would you say?

[GalaxyBluestar]

Prosperity Park, on 29 March 2013 - 05:18 PM, said:

I mentioned about 15 pages back that I had contacted the support staff using my super-secret moderator powers, and they responded to me with an acknowledgement of the community uproar, that they are mostly out of the office for the holiday vacation, and that they will make some kind of reply or official statement once they can get the right people to give the right go-aheads.

Sorry, I'm only a humble mod... But that's good because nobody can blame this premium merc thing on me! Heehee!

no ones blaming you humble mod, we're all just up in arms for two reasons...

one: bad ideas being announced that continiously contradict what they the devs said the game would be months ago.

two: they always and i mean ALWAYS make their announcements so late and obscure that only the few who read the back water comander chair gathering dust in hope for a good announcement comes to general forums with only terrible news. plus they always make key announcements when they're on holiday.

[Chavette]

Wow, what they have is a really bad design.

The corps CAN be monetized, and its probably for the better. But! Only for the clan creator, so there is indeed no 1 man, or spam clans.

The subscription model is just downright stupid. Only thing I'd pay that much for, is if I'd get access to ALL game content free of charge in return for my hard earned money paid subscription, and I'm pretty sure most wouldn't like that idea either.

Edited by Chavette, 29 March 2013 - 05:28 PM.

[Sifright]

Prosperity Park, on 29 March 2013 - 05:24 PM, said:

Marinate, stew, boil, simmer, crisp, char... Reminds me of a family saying around the kitchen:

"Tonight we eat like Gods. Greek Gods, but Gods none-the-less."

Not to be rude but the greek gods are kind of infamous for the large amounts of well 'family love' if you get what i'm saying...